Episode 1001: iOS 27 and macOS 27 reviews

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1:12Good morning. And our producer, Roman Loyola. Oh, hi there. This is episode number 1001. I'm going to get this one right in the outro, Roman, because I can't screw up 1001, right? You're raising the bar already. No, no, no. Well, I'll get the number right at least. Today, we're going to talk about another number, 27. Apple last week released all of its updates to its operating systems. iOS, macOS, iPadOS, tvOS. Is that all of them? HomePod, maybe? No, not really.

1:47Well, Watch. Watch is my best. WatchOS, yeah. So yeah, all those 27 updates. VisionOS, yeah. Which I have and I haven't updated. Is there anything worth updating? We'll talk about that or anything. There's some stuff. It should already be from the – I had the beta on there before I said it to you. Oh, so maybe it's on there already. It just needs the final release or whatever. All right. Well, that's out too if you have one. And so we're going to share our impressions, our likes, our dislikes, thoughts, tips, whatever we talk about in the next 45 minutes to an hour.

2:22And then we'll have this week in Apple history. And we will close, as always, with our comment corner. Speaking of comments, you can contact us through Blue Sky Facebook threads. Search for Macworld. Look for the Blue Mouse logo. Send us an email at podcast.macworld.com. Comment under a video or a post. Send us your thoughts to our email, personal emails, whatever. Get in touch with us and we'll talk about them on a future show. So, yeah, it's kind of like we're in this weird little quiet time now between – the iPhone 18 came out last Friday.

2:55iPhone Duo comes out in about a month, almost exactly a month. Today is Tuesday, September 22nd. It comes out on the 23rd of October. So, we're just kind of waiting for that. I don't think there'll be an Apple event before the Duo comes out. We're expecting something in late fall, but probably not until after that. But if you're not buying one of those things, which was the whole point of that little intro, there's a whole bunch of new stuff for your existing devices.

3:26Last week, Apple came out with this – as we just said, it's 27 operating systems. And it's kind of nice now. There was a time not too long ago when we would get iOS and iPadOS. Then we'd have to wait a couple weeks for macOS. And now everything just drops in the same day and you can update all your devices. It was remarkably seamless for me this year, even at like 1.30. Like, you know, it took a while for the thing to load.

3:57But once it popped up, it went pretty quick. It always boggles my mind that Apple is updating like, I don't know, Jason, like 2 billion devices. At this point, you mean with – Everything. Yeah. I'm trying to think. It's probably more than that. Okay. There's probably 2 billion users. A lot of people have like a Mac and an iPhone or an iPhone and an iPad or whatever.

4:27And then the other ones that don't update right at that time are like AirPod firmware. That just kind of happens whenever. But there are updates for that to go along with this new OS. So, yeah. I wonder how many updates that day. Yeah, right. Because if you have automatic updates on, it takes days before that little notification pops up and tells you. You know, it's sometimes weeks.

4:59My wife has had automatic updates on. And she's like, I don't know why I have to do this. I'm like telling her to update it. She's like, I don't know why I have to do this. I have automatic updates on. And I'm like, in two weeks, like last time it was November before it just said, here, get your OS. So, sometimes that takes a while. So, I wonder how many. It's got to be at hundreds of millions. I would say. Yeah, right. And how many like press the button as soon as it's available at 115 or whatever. Right. Yeah. It's a really masterful like work of the CDN of their content delivery network and everything to make that all happen.

5:39The one thing that doesn't get updated right away is Siri with this. There's a wait list for the new Siri. You got to go in and hit it. And I've seen people say it took a couple hours. It took my wife about two days. Okay. To get through hers. I haven't heard anybody who like started that day and hasn't gotten it yet. It's not more than a couple of days so far, it seems. Yeah, we would know. That's the kind of thing that people would automatically post on Twitter or something. Yeah. I'm still waiting for Apple Intelligence.

6:10It's been four days. Where is it? Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. Apple Intelligence, Siri rather, is still in beta. But it, for all intents and purposes, is the final release. You know, they'll tweak some stuff. I think it's in beta mainly so they can say like if something goes wrong, like, well, it's still in beta. Because it works as we expect it to work. Like there's nothing that's missing. There's no like, you know, maybe it's a little slow on the watch and stuff. But as far as what it's supposed to do, what we expect it to do, like it's all there.

6:42It's been there through that, the whole beta cycle. Great.

Initial impressions of the new Siri

6:47Um, all right. And we can start there. Impressions. I know you've been using it for a while, Jason. My first question. Yeah. And this is the thing I have the hardest time with. Do you remember to use it for things that you can use it for? Because I still forget that it's good and it's there and I don't have to go to Google to research stuff. I can ask Siri and it's, it's, it's going to know and bring back the answer quicker than I can find it. Uh, I am starting to get used to using it for a lot more things.

7:22Okay. I don't use it as often as I should on the Mac. On Mac, I hit command space and I usually use it like I used to use Spotlight. I use it to quickly type a couple letters to launch an app. Or sometimes I've, I've started to remember it after doing that, hit like command four to get my like, um, my, uh, clipboard history. Sometimes that's useful. I don't remember to type a question or verbally ask a question to Siri very often, but I did it today.

7:58I got an email about my doctor's appointment. Sorry. It was one of those fake sneezes. Um, I got an email about my doctor's appointment and I was just like, wait a minute. I, I just, it, while it was on the screen, I just opened Siri and said, Hey, uh, uh, add this to my calendar and it just pulled through the information, the location, the time. It just added it to my calendar. Um, just reading the screen, which is this, that screen awareness stuff that, you know, we were promised two, three and a half years ago or whatever.

8:37Um, and yeah, it just kind of worked without fault. I didn't expect it to be cause this was a nicely formatted email with like clear instructions and stuff. I would expect that to kind of work, but just in terms of asking kind of like world knowledge and information and stuff, I'm getting used to, I'm still getting used to doing that on the phone, especially with visual stuff. Um, um, visual intelligence has been there and it's still a little wonky with the like on device identification of a plant or an insect or something.

9:12But once, once you start getting Siri involved and it sends an image to the web and it processes it, it's really very accurate, you know? So there, now that there's a Siri mode in camera, I'm getting used to just pointing it at something. Oh, here's another place. I used it today. I was running, I was this morning, I was out of face soap. The face soap thing was like, you know, I was pumping air like, Oh, I got to add this to my shopping list. And I could have voice added it to my shopping list.

9:45And I always forget exactly like which kind of face soap it is. Like it's the, cause it's the brand I remember, but like which type or whatever. But I said, wait a minute. And I just grabbed my phone and I, in the Siri app, I didn't even press the shutter. I just had it on the screen and I said, I'm not going to trigger everyone's thing. I said, add this to my shopping list. And it just looked at the thing and it added the proper full thing to my shopping list. I was like, okay, that's helpful. That's faster than me going foaming facial cleanser, blah, blah, blah, you know, or, or just speaking it out loud, which is the other thing you could do.

10:24So I was like, Oh yeah, you know, I, of course I could do that. But I didn't, old Siri could never, and I would never think to do that. So I'm getting used to it. I think that that's by far the biggest hurdle Apple's going to have with the Siri. It's funny because two years ago, we just wrote a story this morning that there was a class action lawsuit over this because they advertised the heck out of this. With the iPhone 16, where they, you know, you would ask your phone something, who is this person? What's this email? And it can actually do that stuff now.

10:56And I haven't seen a single advertisement letting people know that. Right. They're usually tie all their advertisements to products to buy. Right. And I, I wonder if number one, once we start seeing iPhone 18 TV commercials, iPhone 18 pro TV commercials and stuff, are we going to start, is it going to be Siri heavy? And if not, are they going to have, do they have any other plan to kind of market? There's a new Siri you should go try it.

11:27Right. And, and all the things it can do. They've started doing all of this kind of social media marketing, like their Instagram account. They had the little Mac guy and all that stuff. Like they have other avenues. I would think they would try to get the word out that, and I wouldn't state, they wouldn't state it this way, but like, hey, all those things that you never use Siri for, like you can do now. New Siri does all this stuff. So I wonder if they're waiting for, we're supposed to get that HomePad, for lack of a better word, we've dubbed it HomePad.

12:01That's probably not what I was going to call it. That's probably not what they're going to call it. But it's, it's, it's some kind of a, of a smart home hub that is designed specifically for this stuff. Like Siri is the centerpiece. And I wonder almost the reason why it's in beta is because they're waiting for that thing to release, which by all accounts could be like the end of October, early November, or maybe early next year. We don't really know for sure. Yeah. But it's coming soon-ish, and that's going to be the thing like your Echo Show or your Google Nest Hub that's tied to Gemini or tied to Alexa.

12:34This will be tied to Siri. And if that, like, that's the navigation is you're going to talk to her, like, like, like a HomePod, but with the screen and, and, and much more stuff. So, and I wonder if that's, that'll be the, the marketing for that. It'll be heavy Siri. And that's how they'll get the word out that it's also better on your phone now too. Yeah, maybe. But I think for regular normal people, they don't think of it that way. They don't recognize that Siri's the same all over. So they see an ad for this other new device. Right. And people are talking to it on the commercials and doing all this stuff.

13:07And they don't think, oh, of course my phone does that now. Right. Right. I think some of this is probably, we're not going to see marketing around it until it gets out of that, that phase where you have to go into settings and say, try Siri AI and get on a wait list and stuff like that. Because I think for what, what we affectionately call a normie for like your average everyday person, if they see something on a commercial Siri can do this now, they'll just say this to their phone and it's old Siri and they'll go, why is this not working?

13:42So they need to make sure they get a certain penetration of iOS 27 and iPad OS, you know, the 27s get out on enough devices, enough people get through the wait list or get prompted to try. Yeah, Siri AI and all that. So yeah, I wonder, I wonder if they're going to start marketing. They need to, because it's been years of, of Siri, not really doing new stuff and they need to market that it does new stuff. I use all the time, the Siri app.

14:14I love that I can go back to a previous thing. I asked it a few days ago and look, I'll tell you one thing.

Limitations and quirks of Siri AI

14:23There's a couple, couple things are striking me about the new Siri. One is that it's really cool how it will dig through information in your messages, your old emails, stuff like that. But it doesn't dig through the Siri app's history for that stuff. It won't, like the Siri app's history isn't part of that index. So do you know? I don't know. I have no idea why. Okay. No, I know it's made to be ephemeral.

14:55They're made to delete after. I think the default is, is it a month or two weeks or something like that? And then it goes, you can change it to a year or forever or whatever.

15:07But there's been several times where information I had gotten in last week in a conversation with Siri, I would want it to remind me of or know in, in a new question I'm asking it. And it doesn't. And I'd have to go back through those steps again. But you can, maybe I'm wrong about this, but can't you go into the Siri app, click on a conversation and then continue it? And get, like, pick up all that information from where you left off.

15:41Sure. Yeah. But you have to go do that by hand. You can't, if you're just talking for your, via your voice, it's just a new conversation and it doesn't remember the old conversations. That's interesting. That way. I wonder why it wouldn't use its own app as a reference that's on the device and private and all that stuff. Exactly. It seems obvious to me if it's using my messages, my notes, all that other stuff. It has, it has taught me that I should be using the notes app more. Okay. There's a lot of stuff that, like I ask, sometimes I'm filling in a form and I need to know what my license plate number is.

16:17I don't remember my license plate number. I don't either. I have a note that has my license plate because I always forget it. Exactly. So I have a photo of my license plate number. But it does not know that that is my license plate number. It just knows that it's a picture of a license plate. And there's other pictures that have cars in them where the license plate is showing. So I have asked it, what's my license plate number? And it didn't know. And I said, well, check photos. And it actually checked photos and it gave me a license plate number. That's not mine. It's just a picture of a car that was taken at my house.

16:52No, it actually was smart. It said, like, this was taken at your home. It's got to be this. And I was like, that's not my car. So that's frustrating. So I should keep a note where I keep things like my TSA check number, all those kinds of things. I should just dump them in a note because it finds that stuff super fast and easy. And so it's taught me to keep notes, ironically. Like, keep notes so you don't have to keep notes. And then I saw a great Reddit thread that I think really exemplifies how frustrating the new Siri is because it's almost great.

17:30It's, like, definitely way better, but it's almost great. They asked Siri, they said, hey, help me clean up my old messages. And Siri said, well, what do you want to do? Do you want to, like, delete everything from a person or delete, like, the automated things and stuff? He said, just old automated messages. And it said, I found all these old automated messages. And it, like, lists them all in the thing. And it's all those messages from five-digit numbers that are, like, activation codes and login codes. One-time codes and all that other BS.

18:03And it's like, do you want me to delete those? And he's like, yeah, go ahead and delete those. And it says, I can't delete messages myself, but you can go in the Messages app and swipe over and do them. And I'm like, well, we know we can do that. That was really close. The point is, yeah, the point is, why didn't you tell me when I asked you at the start to say, like, I can help you find those things, but I can't delete them for you. So it's very frustrating that it did so much of the useful stuff and it was so close. And then all of a sudden it said, ah, now you're just going to have to go manually do all that stuff the way you would have anyway.

18:38Yeah, that's interesting. I feel like I run into that sort of thing a lot. Like, it's doing stuff, it's really good, and then it just, it doesn't have, like, permissions to do certain, the next step of what I want it to do. Is that the kind of thing you think that Apple will never allow, or they're just kind of limiting it now because it's first gen and it's even a beta beyond that? I would hope that it is the sort of thing that they'll allow and just ask you for Face ID or something.

19:09I think there's a lot of stuff that's not permitted now that they just want to make sure that somebody doesn't use voice and accidentally do or whatever. I think you just have a confirmation step and a Face ID check and you're good. I do want it to do a lot more. There's a lot of stuff that the assistants do on other phones, like shopping and stuff like that, that I feel like Siri can sometimes help you find something to buy, but it can't go through and buy and shop for you and all that. And I don't think I would do that, but it's nice knowing that it could and it would just need confirmation steps.

19:47And so it's not there yet. I think there's a lot it needs to do. It's just so much better, though. Yeah. That I just... Yeah. It's a ton better. I wonder, you were talking about this back when they introduced it in June, that these AI, whatever, agents, the models, they update so quickly and so massively within the span of a year. And Apple generally doesn't do that.

20:18They update, you know, we're talking about it now. This is the iOS 27, the Siri 27. This time next year will be 28. Will there be constant modification and update and additions to the Siri AI model between now and then? We don't know. And I would venture to guess that probably won't be. We'll probably get a bunch of features next year, but between now and then, this is what it's going to be.

20:48Right. I think you're probably right. I think we'll get a lot of updates that are things like new languages and international support and stuff like that. But I think iOS 28 is going to be the next step for Siri. And it remains to be seen if that's kind of bad because this stuff moves so fast. Yeah. By the time next summer rolls around and they talk about iOS 28, are we going to be like, man, we've been doing this for two years with ChatGPT.

21:21Like, you know, is it going to be pretty far behind? Or is Apple establishing Siri AI as a different thing? Like, you can't chat with it like you do other things. It's a different type of agent. It'll help you do stuff on your phone. It'll answer stuff. But like the commercials that you see where like you're literally having a conversation with ChatGPT as if it's a person. Apple doesn't, Siri doesn't do that. It's a line there. I mean, you can kind of do it, but there's this gap.

21:53It's not what they call full duplex where it listens and talks at the same time. So it's conversational and you can continue your conversation. But there's this like pause between time and it doesn't speak and listen at the same time. Like, I think they're going to, I do think they're going to try and move it in that direction. I think that's what's kind of expected. I think that's probably the next big release for Siri. The new LinkedIn hiring pro can't undo your last hire. The human postponer.

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22:50Your heart can tell you a lot about your health. Apple Watch Series 12 measures your heart rate every five seconds with the most accurate heart rate sensing in a wearable. So your vitals app now with heart rate variability can tell you when something is off. And your readiness score can let you know when to rest and when to push. Hear the story in every heartbeat with Apple Watch Series 12. The features described are for wellness purposes only and not for medical use. iPhone 11 or later required. Based on Apple conducted study of heart rate accuracy, August 2026. Visit apple.com slash Apple Watch Series 12. It seems like less of a of a human like like like like the other one seemed like they're trying to mimic talking to a person.

23:30When I talk to Siri, it doesn't feel that way. It feels like despite the inflection and the tone of the voice and stuff. But it feels like I'm talking to a thing doing something for me rather than a friend who's helping me out for lack of a better phrase. Yeah. Although I think a lot of that has to do with the cadence of how it like you say something and then you use a five second pause and then it dishes you an answer. And then you say something and then there's a five second pause. So I don't know.

24:02There's a lot of other little weird edge cases like for years now since I've always been able to I take my weight every morning. I step on the scale, but I don't have one of those connected scales. And I often just tell Siri, my weight is this and it logs my weight in the health mat. But I also take my body fat percent with one of those little doohickey things, little handheld things sometimes. And if I say my body fat percent is this, it says, I can't lock your body fat for you, but you can go into the health app and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, well, why? Like, why can you do one body measurement and not the other if you know the one I'm talking about?

24:36Like, it doesn't even make any sense to me. And so new Siri still doesn't do that. Like, there's just all these weird little edge cases that I feel like they need to close the loop on a lot of this little stuff. Yeah.

Gestures and everyday Siri use

24:51The only thing that drives me crazy is the gesture I wrote about this last week. I constantly. So with iOS 26 and earlier ones, you can swipe down anywhere on the screen to get to spotlight except for the top. The top edge brought down the notification center on the left or three quarters to the left. And on the right, it was control center. Yeah. And I've been doing that forever. Like, for whatever reason, I'm very anal about my notifications and I'm constantly clearing them.

25:22Like, I want to get them. So I go into notification center a few times a day. And it's no longer where my fingers think it is. And I cannot. No. Like, my brain will not retrain. So now if you're top center. The top of the screen used to be kind of two. It used to be the left two thirds and the right one third. Kind of. Right. Like, and now it's in three pieces. It's like the middle half. Right above the dynamic island. That whole area is. And it's wide, too. You have to be way in the corner to get the notification center or control center.

25:59Yeah. And it drives me. I'm with you. It drives me nuts. I go into control center every now and then because I have, like, calculator put there and stuff just to make it easy. Sure. Ah.

26:11Yeah. You know, and I don't know why they couldn't have just left it. Like, it's okay to beef up Spotlight and add Siri, but, like, I'm trained to swipe down when I want to search for something. That's fine. Yeah. But why add it to the top edge? It doesn't need to be there. It's so much of the top edge. It was fine. It would be okay if it was a much narrower bit, just above the dynamic island and not the whole sides. But, oh, it is. They really need to, like, change the width of the Siri area. Yeah, I wonder if they'll tweak that.

26:42But, yeah, it drives me crazy. But Siri is really good. Like I said, I just need to remember. I literally need to tell myself sometimes to use it. So here's an example. My son's doing a procedure and we were trying to figure out how much it was going to cost, like a ballpark. So I went to Google and I started typing. And, like, my wife, like, reminded me. She doesn't even have iOS 27. She's like, wait, isn't Siri supposed to do that now? I was like, well, maybe it will.

27:12So I asked, I told him the state I was in, the hospital I was going to, and the procedure. And it did. It brought back the code that I needed to type into my healthcare app to get an estimate. Nice. It can really do stuff. It's just you have to remember to do it. And I just, I wonder how many people even know that it's actually there now. Because we've been promised this for so long. And, you know, Apple told us two years ago on TV, hey, this is great now.

27:45And it wasn't. Yeah. And I just wonder now if people know and if people are going to believe that it's actually better. I don't think most people know who aren't. I think the people who are, like, Macworld podcast listeners probably know. But I think, like, I mean, my wife lives with a Macworld editor who pesters her about this stuff all the time. And she forgets to use it for almost anything. She's always typing and swiping down and all this. And I'm like, just tell Siri to do it. Like, it's, like, so fast and easy.

28:15Even, like, I search emails all the time for stuff. And I can ask Siri that, too. Hey, find this email about this thing. And we'll know. Yeah. And it does that very, very well. Very well. Like, emails, messages. Yeah. The on-device stuff is really good. It takes a couple seconds. But it's faster and easier than you going and looking for it. For sure.

28:37All right. So, Siri's dominated this discussion so far.

Quality of life improvements in iOS

28:40What else, Jason, beyond any of the Siri stuff, do you like or dislike or want to talk about? I've been super happy with the rest of the OS so far because it's just been iOS 26, but, like, really cleaned up. Just all quality of life stuff and really cleaned up. And they gave us all these little things that we've been asking for forever. Tiny little improvements. I mean, besides the big stuff like cleanup on your photos now has, like, a high-quality mode and it's really good and slow but good and whatever.

29:16I just mean, I mean, I don't have old devices around, but from all of our testing and everything we've seen, it actually is faster on old devices. Like, legitimately launches things faster, goes faster. They gave us a slider for transparency on liquid glass. There's things like, in the Photos app, there's a category for IDs and documents, you know, which so many people take a picture of.

29:47Sure. Receipts and, you know, for your travel expenses or your driver's license or whatever. It's just, like, so easy to find it when there's a category there. Yep. Separate ringtones, separate volumes for, like, ringtones and alarms. Yeah, that's a huge one. That's a, for years, people have said, why can't I have? Now you can. And it's literally, that's just throughout the whole OS. 20 years ago. That should have been a day one feature on the original iPhone. It's so bizarre that it took this long. But, yeah, that's a nice one.

30:18The, we ran a story last week, Jason just mentioned, about older iPhones. So, our contributor, Felipe Esposito, did test it on an iPhone 14. iOS 26 versus iOS 27 did a bunch of comparisons. And it legitimately is, like, noticeably faster. Like, a few seconds, in some cases, to open and close stuff. So, Apple, this is, we've been talking about this for many generations. As iOS gets more and more features and more and more stuffed with stuff,

30:53those older phones that have slower processors obviously get bogged down. And Apple really did go back and look and optimize whatever code. They said it, in WWDC, it was some number of percentage of code or whatever. But it is remarkably faster if you have an older device. Yeah, I don't think they can do this kind of thing every year where it's just, it's, you know, all we do is some quality of life improvements and speed. Like, they've got to give us big features. Right.

31:23And they did. Sierra AI is really good. And that's worth it on its own. Although, frankly, that should have been here a couple years ago. Sure. But I, so, I look forward to, like, the 28 releases being a little more feature-rich than just, but this was a great, they really needed to do this, and it really did work. It's not just hype. It actually is legit fast. Battery life is great. It's been pretty bug-free. The bugs that we've seen reported mostly come from people who bought a new piece of hardware.

32:00And that's pretty common. Like, my Apple Watch resets or my iPhone 18 Pro has a touch problem, you know. Yep. We see that kind of thing kind of every year if there's a minor and then there's a .01 release that fixes it. Or, you know, we're going to, we'll see. Roman, you've been testing or using, no more testing. We've been using macOS, what are the, Golden Gate. You got anything that you want to hate or love about it?

Testing queries and fantasy football

32:29In regards to the Siri stuff, I've been trying to use the Siri app more. But, like you said, it is kind of a muscle memory thing. Totally, yeah. You know, we do a lot of- As in it's not there. Right. I mean, I put it in my doc and I try to remember to use it. But the thing is, like, I'll start to research stuff and I'll do what I usually do. And then I'm halfway through it and I think, I could have just done a query in Siri. So, or even before that, you know, I tried to, like, I've downloaded, like, OpenAI and Clawed to try and get into that practice.

33:04And I still haven't. I do it every once in a while. I finally remember. But, yeah, it's a thing that I have to try and remember how to do. And I've mostly been using Siri AI to research my fantasy football lineup. That's all right. So, yeah. Because I've noticed that with current events, it can sometimes be a week behind. Yeah. Or something that happened, maybe two weeks or something.

33:34And stuff like fantasy football, you know, you kind of have to almost be up to the day with sports information. But on the other hand, sports is one of those areas where it knows people are asking sports information, like scores and all that. So, it could be updating that continuously. Does it, like, does it know that, what's his name, Jackson Dart got injured last night? Like, would it know that, I wonder? Let's find out. Let's find out. I haven't checked that. Yeah. So, but, yeah, in terms of, in general, it's been fine.

34:08I haven't seen any kind of, like, you know, outdated information or anything. It's been, it's been fine so far. So, let me see. Ask, ask it if you should ask, add Jackson Dart to your fantasy football lineup. Well, he might have said no before anyway. Well, but we'll see if it says anything about being injured or whatever. Yeah. Am I right about the name? It's Jackson, right? Is that his first name? It's Jackson and it's with an X. Yeah, right. The X makes it cool, as Bender would say.

34:41It does say that he is injured. Oh, yeah. Sweet. The funny thing is that it calls us, the source is Wikipedia. So, somebody had to go in there. Probably. I mean, there are people who just live to be the first person to edit a Wikipedia entry when something happens. Yeah, but it'd be interesting to, like, maybe, I can't think of one, but, like, pick a query that you know isn't going to be updated on Wikipedia as soon as possible.

35:11Do you know what I mean? I mean, yeah. I mean, it probably starts there and goes to other places. Yeah, maybe it'll go to a different source. So, this is fun. I just asked Siri, just typing it on my Mac, because I've got to remember, it's good on the, it's the same on the Mac. I just add, should I add Jackson to my fantasy football? And it said, if you're referring to Jackson Smith Najiba, he's considered a tier one rod receiver, an elite fantasy option for 2026, making him a must add.

35:53If you're asking about Jackson Dart, he's viewed as a breakout quarterback with a top five upside, although he recently suffered an injury that you should monitor. So, it was up to date. That's really good. It was up to date, and it got both Jacksons. That's excellent. Because you shouldn't monitor because they haven't announced that he's out for the season yet. So, you don't have to pay it. Right. That's really good. That's really good. Yeah, so, that's, again, just the kind of thing that, had you asked Siri before. Before, right.

36:24That exact question. It would have said, here's something I found on the web and sent you to some random place that wasn't what you wanted. It would have basically been a Google search. Yeah. I also have to try and get used to using it for printed stuff, splitting up receipts or documents, adding documents together. We're going through all these house projects right now because we're getting a house painted, but we have to do other stuff first and stuff. So, we have several contractor receipts. And just to remember that, oh, I can just take a picture of several of them and say, hey, add all these together so I know how much I'm spending on this whole project.

37:04I don't have to sit there and go through and open Calculator and look at them. So, I just need to remember I can do that.

Photo editing and reframe tools

37:10But, is anyone using the photo features? Those are the tools I've been using the most. They're on the iPhone, too. But I usually use my Mac because I can make the picture bigger and it's easier for me to see. I've mostly been using the reframe feature because I actually wrote about this. One of the things I hate is like when I ask someone to take a picture of like me and my wife or something like that and they just don't frame it right.

37:45You know what I mean? And like the example I showed, the person who framed it, it was like the photo was actually crooked and it was just framed oddly. And I reframed the picture, not in terms of like how I would have liked it, but how extreme you can go with it and the story that I posted. So, I've been using that a lot because, you know, like I recently went on vacation. So, I've been going through my pictures and kind of using those tools.

38:17I don't, you know, the cleanup tool is a lot better. I kind of don't like using it because I don't like the idea. I like the idea that, you know, this is the scene that I took and maybe there's something in there that isn't really, shouldn't be there. I'll only do it every once in a while when something is really kind of obscuring something or like in the way or disrupts like the image itself. Like if there's like a can of like a soda and like in the background and it would have made like a really good portrait or something, I'll do that.

38:50But, so I don't use that as much, but I've been using reframe a lot. And reframe is actually kind of fun to play with just to see what you can get out of the data that's there and what the tool is doing. So, I've been having kind of fun with it. I need to investigate how Apple uses Synthe ID. I know that in the image playground app where it generates images, it will mark them with Synthe ID, which is Google and some other companies have all gotten behind this.

39:23It's just basically a data watermark that's built into the image that says, hey, this was generated. But something like reframe, if you turn it, the camera quite a bit, like you can, you can end up regenerating a lot of that image. Not even just the sides and background, but just even like an area your hand was obscuring that is now, you know, filled in because you've moved to the side. Just a lot of that. So, I feel like it should mark those with Synthe ID.

39:55I don't know if it is. I feel like that's, I'd like to know. Anytime it does that or the one where you just like zoom out and it makes more background and stuff, I feel like those should be marked with Synthe ID. Much of that image is generated. I feel like it should do that.

40:13I've used image playground for a few things and it's much better than before. Yeah, it's still pretty bad, I feel. Right, but it's so much better. It does have that like, there's an artificial, there's a super intelligence feel to that. I almost said the wrong term, but according to some certain person. But anyways, yeah, it just has that, you know, AI images have this weird faux feel to it.

40:44They do. Yeah. You can immediately tell. Well, it's funny how we've been trained in that very long of a time to spot AI images a mile away. And part of me kind of doesn't want to fix that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. What worries me is that the best image generators of the other leading models and stuff, they can deliver stuff that looks incredibly real. Like you really can't tell unless you're very carefully trained or you really, really start squinting.

41:16So, yeah, I kind of don't want them to get to that point. I'll tell you what Image Playground does a good job of. It does a good job of taking a photo that you give it that exists and doing other stuff with it, like putting it in a space background or something like that. And I played around with shortcuts a little bit. You know, admittedly, I don't use shortcuts a lot. And a lot of it is because I just felt like I was putting too much effort into creating the shortcuts for the payoff.

41:49Do you know what I mean? Because shortcuts is a great tool if you kind of know what you're doing. And it does, it's not a difficult tool to use, but I don't think it's like super easy either. But using the natural language makes it a lot easier. And I've made a couple of shortcuts that would have taken me a little bit longer than before just using natural language just by saying, hey, can you do this? And it doesn't.

42:19And then I have to make a few tweaks. And it's still a little bit more effort than I would like. But I think that's more of like my particular skill level than necessarily the tool itself.

42:31Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it could be a tool that a lot more people use because of that. Yeah. I mean, I got to assume less than 10% of people used it before. Yeah. Way less. Yeah. Yeah.

42:50And it's another one of those things that they have to know it's there and now begin to use it because it is a lot better. There's an education gap here where Apple needs to really let people know that this stuff exists and how it works. And that's good. They can't just rely on, I'm going to open this app. I never open and then there'll be an info card that tells me something's new that I will immediately dismiss. Because if I've opened an app, I have a purpose in mind and anything that pops up, I'm just going to go, nah, nah, nah, whatever.

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WatchOS updates and hardware support

44:27Just to switch gears for a moment, I would love to talk about watchOS 27, but I have a Series 8 and I can't get it. Yeah. Like it just doesn't exist because it's Series 9 or later. Apple cut off a bunch of support, 6, 7, and 8, the Ultra 1 as well. And, you know, I don't feel like this watch is that old, but I guess it's old enough. It's, you know, four years. What watchOS 27 thing do you feel like you're missing that your watch could do?

45:00But like, I'm just curious where, what the.

45:04I don't think there's anything. I just wanted to try it. I wanted to try that new, the new app grid thing that shows you the, the, I do use the, the double click scroll thingy. So I was curious to see that, how it would be better or worse. But yeah, I don't think there's anything that I specifically wanted that I can't have other than maybe Siri AI here and there. But I've heard, I think you told me that it's pretty slow. Oh no, maybe one of our freelancers. But it's been very slow on my Siri. Okay, so you have it too.

45:35Yeah. Yeah. The Siri AI, everything else has been fast. But yeah, it sounds like the, for the first time in a while, like the, the, the new watches are really, you know, quite a bit better. You get those, that audio intelligence only on the new watches and the, the health stuff, uh, heart rate measurements, continuous harassment, like, you know, that these aren't major new features. And it's obviously hasn't gotten an overhaul or a redesign, but like, I'm kind of considering maybe buying a series 12 because of that stuff.

46:08Yeah. And like, I feel like, I feel like the series 12 and this will tie into our show later, but I feel like the series 12 is. It's the first time in years, there's been a step change because usually you get, you get a faster processor, but not much happens with it. Right. It's just like, or you get a thing where they're, they just slapped a new number on the same processor there was. And maybe there's a slightly different sensor, whatever. This time there's a new processor that makes a real difference.

46:39It does all this background stuff all day that without draining the battery and it's just twice as fast in general. And there's new sensors that do real stuff like that real continuous heart rate sensing and all that stuff. So I feel like this is the first time in a while that we got an Apple watch that's a more speed and significant new features thing. Right. Yeah. And it doesn't, they didn't raise the price, which is nice. So they didn't raise the price. So it was like that series four was like that.

47:11That was, they went from where the screen had the square corners and a big bezel to like rounded and a small bezel. And they added ECG and the processor was like legit twice as fast. Like everything you did felt smooth and instant and immediate and other new health features. And yeah, it's been a while. And then since then we got these little incremental upgrades every year. They're like, oh, satellite emergency or, you know, whatever. But it's fall detection.

47:43Like those are neat, but it's, you know, this, this feels like a big change this year. I agree. And if you have a series eight, maybe it's time. Yeah. My, my wife has a seven or maybe I have the seven and she has the eight. I'm not sure. But yeah, we were both talking like maybe, maybe we'll get new watches Black Friday if they drop in price by 50 bucks or something. Anything else? Did we miss anything you guys want to talk about? Specific features you want to call out?

48:13Something you're hoping for? We just got the 27.1 beta. 27.2. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're skipping point one. Because the point one is the duo and maybe we'll just be the duo. We're not sure. But yeah, the point two brings a couple of little straggly features that.

The redesigned health app

48:31Well, it does one big thing, which is the big new health overhaul. Right. And I feel like that's almost just like part of iOS 27. For most of everyone, it's going to be because it's going to come out in October and that everyone's going to have it. For most of iOS 27's lifetime, there's going to be this new health thing. I was kind of expecting them to do the new health thing in the spring, but they're launching it now. And it's a big change. I've been using that and they've totally reworked the way it looks.

49:02Is it the health app you're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, the health app on iOS. So the way it looks, the way it gives you advice, all the different, there's just, there's about 20 different like different check-ins where it will quiz you about things to get like a picture of your health, like how you're sleeping and all this, or your stress levels and all this other stuff. There are a bunch of tests that don't work in the beta right now yet, but they will be things where you wear your watch and it plays a video and you do an activity or something

49:36and it's going to gauge your flexibility. Or there's one to gauge your VO2 max. So there's a whole other area of stuff, all to feed an AI model that's meant to give you advice like, you need to be sleeping better. Try to get more sleep or longer sleep or whatever, or this, you know, whatever bit is off, there's got a little wheel of different areas of your life which things are off. You'll be able to order labs where you can go into one of those quest labs and pay, you

50:10know, 50 bucks or a hundred bucks and get like all these markers that they put into health to do your LDLs and all the other kind of stuff. And yeah, I mean, it's a very interesting and very big change compared to where the health hat used to be. You use that whoop band, or at least you wrote about it. Yeah, I was using that for a while. Is this in your mind closer or inspired by that, by the rise of those types of devices?

50:40Absolutely, yeah. It is the whoop, the new Fitbit, all these things that are, basically every company on earth decided, there's no way we can compete with a smartwatch. So they made a not smartwatch. They just made a band with no screen on it that does all this AI-powered health stuff. And most of them are built around this idea of kind of, they take as much data as you'll

51:10give it from your nutrition apps and the sensors on the device and sleeping with it and all this other stuff. And then it'll use an AI model to give you a picture of your health and where you need to go based on a goal. Like if you were trying to lose weight or you're trying to increase your energy or whatever. And they have things, they have features, they all have a feature and Apple added as well. That's like a health age thing where it's like you're 52, but your health age is 48 because

51:42you're in really good shape. I'm a little, I'm a little afraid to see what my health age would be.

51:49So there's, it's got stuff like that. They're all, a lot of them are based around this idea of like, how hard should you push yourself today based on how much they get a baseline after a bunch of nights of sleep. And then they say like, okay, how well rested are you? How well, how are all your health metrics about, you know, heart rate variability and all that other stuff. And then they say, this would be a great day to push yourself and work out really hard or, Hey, you should take it easy today. Like they all do that. Apple added that you need the new watch for that because it needs the new sensors to take

52:23that much heart rate variability and heart rate info that often.

52:31But it's absolutely, you know, because of all these other guys. And it kind of makes me feel like, well, if you have the new Apple watch, and you don't need, you definitely don't need a whoop or a Fitbit or something. I feel like it, you could argue about which one does this little thing better or something, but they're covering all the same ground now. Yeah. There was a report from Mark German before the event that talked about that. Apple was kind of experimenting with a bunch of different watch designs and, and, and,

53:04and directions. And one of them was, was a, was a screenless, you know, strap. And I wouldn't, after seeing the health overall, I haven't tried it because my watch is too old, but. Right. Um, once I saw that on, uh, uh, at the event, the, the most recent, it was, they demoed it during the, um, I forgot the name of it already. Roman, what was the name of the event?

53:28The one we just had, what the heck was it called? Surprise. Surprise. Ah, that's right. Yes. Yeah. During the surprise and, and shine event. I, that was the first thing I thought of is that this is like the first step towards like, maybe they call it the Apple watch Neo. I don't know, but something that's, that's significantly cheaper. Not the SE, not, not SE cheaper, but like a hundred or a hundred fifty bucks. I hope they don't call it the Apple watch Neo. If it doesn't have a watch, then it's not, if it's kind of a screen, it's not a watch.

54:01It's true. Uh, I think it might also just be, I think they're waiting to see because, uh, the, I think the idea is that if they give people all the features that they're getting from these bands and the watch, then they don't need to get the band. I think part of the problem is the bands were great because they're cheaper, but they all require some kind of subscription to do all the health stuff in the cloud. Um, if, but I don't think people are just kind of avoiding Apple watch because of them.

54:36I see people walking around with both, right? Cause it's not a watch and it doesn't do notifications and it doesn't do all these things. Right. So I think they're just kind of trying to stave them, all those things off and say like, let's just kill all this band nonsense. And if it doesn't, if it turns out that price is really the thing, then they've, they've got a band in their back pocket and they can get one to market pretty quick because they've done all this development. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Um, all right. Uh, anything else? Last things, last, uh, last chance here.

55:09Cause we're never going to talk about why it was 27 again.

55:13Yeah, never.

55:16All right. We talked about it a lot during the beta. So there's, there's, I think there's just a lot to like, this is one of my favorite iOS releases, I think, or iOS, macOS, et cetera, releases in years. I think. Yeah, I agree. Even like liquid glass, which I wasn't sold on at first in iOS 26, like it just seems much better. The slider is nice, but I, I, even I, like I said it to like, to be way transparent. It's just, it's just seems more responsive, a little bit more, you know, like the, the menus are quicker to load. I don't know what it is, but it feels like it, like it really fits on the

55:49phone now.

55:51All right. iOS 27, macOS 27, watchOS 27. If you don't have a, or if you have a serious, not a newer, uh, uh, AirPods, we didn't talk about AirPods, but that has, there's one for that too. So you can download all that stuff. If you haven't already, we usually tell you, tell people to, you know, give it a couple of weeks. I don't think that you have to do that right now. Everything that I've tested is they're, they're very stable. It will make your phone. Even if you have like a, like a, like a 13 or a 14.

56:21It'll, it will make it better. So go get it without worrying. Yeah. I tell people go get it now because number one, it has to do a couple of days worth of like indexing. It'll show, it'll show you in the settings app that it's indexing, but it takes forever to re-index your phone. So that's number one. Number two, go into that Siri app, hit Siri, get on that wait list. Like go ahead and get it. Cause you can't get on the wait list before you update. So just update, get on the wait list.

56:53Okay. Roman, I forgot what Apple history is and I didn't write it down. So I'm going to be as surprised as the audience is. I know what it is. Jason knows what it is. Uh, cause Jason kind of alluded to it in the discussion about, uh, watchOS 27.

This week in Apple history

57:09Right. So this week in Apple history on September 21st, 2018, the Apple watch series four went on sale. Uh, Jason actually wrote, wrote up, uh, the Apple watch series four on our website. We'll have a link to that original article in our show notes. You're talking about the review, Roman, uh, or like the announcement, the announcement and, and, and, and the review. Maybe I reviewed it. Yeah. Yeah.

57:40So, uh, as, as Jason pointed out, it was kind of a, it was a landmark, uh, released for the Apple watch series four because they kind of changed, uh, a lot about it.

57:54Four and a half stars you gave it, Jason. That's, that's, that's impressive for, from you.

57:59The, uh, Apple watch went through significant updates a lot in its first few years, but four went along with a big change to the OS where they, I think that's the first one where Apple determined, you know what people are really using this for? Not, not for like watch apps and stuff. It's, it's a health thing, right? It's notifications and stuff and it's a health thing. And they leaned into that with both the hardware and the software. And it was just a much better piece of hardware.

58:31The, it was, I mean, it was so much faster. The battery was better. The screen was better, all that stuff. And, uh, like I said earlier in the show, I feel like the series 12, it's kind of getting buried in all the duo and all this other stuff. But if it feels like it could be one of those moments with the being able to listen all the time, being able to check your heart rate all the time, um, faster charging and better to just faster performance in general, all that, all those things.

59:02I feel like there's going to be, that's going to be the, the breaking point again. And for the next few years, there's going to be new features in watchOS 28, watchOS 29 and stuff that are only for the series 12 and later, you know, it's a, cause they're just going to be relying on that little Island of low power processing that they've made and all that. I think it's, I think this is a new, the next big step change for Apple watch the start of it. It feels, I forgot.

59:32Jason, but the Apple watch series three was three 29 and the Apple watch series four was three 99. That's a pretty steep jump, but you know, I understand why it was a, it was, it did quite a bit more than the, uh, than the three, but I, I forgot that that increased that much. It did. And then they kept the three around for a long time. Uh, and they kept the three around, then they started doing SE stuff and everything, which was like really like a three.

1:00:03The first SE was like a three, but with like a new name, uh, or a new processor, but it was like the same screen. I don't remember the original Apple watch SE. Yeah. It was like, it wasn't a three. It was since then. That's crazy. Yeah. Right. So since the four, including this year, so the, the, the larger one, the 46 millimeter is, is $20 more, I think. But the, the, the, the starting price of the 42 millimeter is still three 99, which, you know, it's, it's a pretty, it's, it's a pretty decent value of, you know, I know it's a, it's

1:00:36not cheap, but you're going to have it for a few years. It does a ton of stuff and, you know, not to be, uh, overly bombastic, but it could save your life. Like there are stories of people who have had their lives saved because they're wearing an Apple watch. Yeah, either cause they got in an accident and it let them call somebody, you know, or automatically reported the accident or it caught a health thing before they knew they had it. I'm looking at your review.

1:01:08Uh, you have a comparison with the series three and it's, it's pretty remarkable how much different it is. Like I, you forget how clunky, I guess, for lack of a better word, that square screen, like it looked nice to, you know, but it's a big, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a square screen. Uh, the, the series four is a, it's a pretty dramatic change looking at this image. Having, having the thing where the device has rounded corners and then the screen has square corners was like, we just forget how clunky that was.

1:01:40Cause our phones haven't done that in a long time either. It's like the Apple, since the, the 10, since the iPhone 10. So yeah, it's, it was a big, big update. Yeah. Uh, let's move on to comment corner.

Listener mail and the silver ratio

1:01:58We've got a couple of emails from, I'm going to call them a couple of OGs. Uh, so, and you'll see why in a second, the first email came from Andrew G. He said, I am one of those few have, who have been listening to your podcast for longer than my children have been alive. Thanks. I still have fond memories of trying to sync it to my iPod. Part of me would kind of hope that you would do the same thing that Chris Breen did around episode 500 and bring Cyrus back to do the intro.

1:02:32It was still nice to hear his voice. And then our next email comes from Stuart G. Are they related? They were not related, but Stuart G also said he is a long time listener, uh, has been listening since Cyrus hosted the podcast. Wow. So that's dedication. I don't think there's anything that I've done for that many years, anything in my life that I've consistently kind of kept up with. Yeah. So he, thank you. Thank you.

1:03:03Both of you. Yeah. A couple of OGs right there. Last name starts with G and they've both been listening for extremely long. a long time. So, uh, thank you very much to both of them. Uh, Stuart also said, Stuart also had some comments about the iPhone duo. He writes, uh, that the aspect ratio of the duo's outer and inner screens, both about 1.4 to 1. Yeah. Uh, and as an ex graphic designer, this ratio, which is known as the silver ratio, one to the

1:03:40square root of two is very well known to him. Um, that is because in the UK and Europe, all our paper sizes are based on this ratio. A4 is 297 by 210 millimeters, which when folded exactly in half results in a five, which has the same ratio. So this continues with smaller sizes of a six, et cetera, going the other way, a three is double a four, et cetera, until you get to a zero, which has a surface meter of one meter

1:04:11squared. Neat, huh? Uh, it is actually the iPhone duo. The iPhone duo, therefore is like an A5 sheet of paper folded in half when closed. And it's something that will have been very familiar with Molly Anderson, who like Johnny Ive is from the UK. Molly Anderson is the, uh, design guru at Apple now. Uh, she's the, I think the human interface design person. Steve LeMay is the hardware, or maybe I add that backwards, but they, they're a team.

1:04:44Yeah, she does the, the software design stuff and it's the hardware design. Um, that's absolutely what this is. There, it, the one over square root of two is like 1.41 and that's right around where that, that is. And in the U S and Canada, we have our own BS like letter, legal envelope.

1:05:07Um, they're, they're called ANSI. It's the, the American North, whatever, something. Uh, but ISO 216, ISO 216 is what he's talking about. Those A sizes, the whole world uses it. You can, you get them in the U S as well. Like when you go to like Staples or something and you buy some paper. Yeah. Um, and that's exactly right. That's exactly what it is. You start with a one meter ratio of paper and every time you fold it in half, you go to A0 to A1, A2, A3, and it's the same ratio and it goes on down.

1:05:37It's very helpful. Uh, it makes a great size for like notebooks and, and books to read. Like it's a really popular size with little like notebook to take nose, like a physical notebook to take notes. Right. Right. So yeah, I, I, I feel like that's, we, we call it passport size cause like we, we don't know what to do with, right in America with like A ratio things. Yeah.

1:06:08Yeah. I have these like little field notes things. This is basically the size, right? Yeah. I bet it is. This is like the duo. Like if I open it up, I bet, I bet this is the, I never even thought about that, but I bet this is the duo size almost, almost exactly. I mean, it's probably slight looking at you holding it. It's probably a little smaller than that, but that's the ratio. It's just like, that looks a little taller, but it looks a little big, but I think it's just, I bet if you measured that, that'd be very close to 1.4 to one. And that's basically the gist.

1:06:38And that's probably why passports are that way. They're probably the ISO sizes, you know, whatever. Right.

1:06:45It's a good observation. It's exactly right. It's probably a series sizes, paper sizes. Yeah. It's a, that's a fantastic comment. Um, well, two comments. One, it made me, it always, every time I hear about the way the rest of the world, the world does stuff with measurements, like I'm just embarrassed to be an American. Like why? Like it's already been like, it's perfected. Why are we changing? But anyway, that's, that's not the point I want to make. The point I want to make is that the, the, the care and detail that Apple puts into the

1:07:18way it designs its products. You know, it's not always right. It doesn't always get it right. But you know, Samsung has been doing this and I'm not, I don't mean this to pick on Samsung, but they've been doing it for nine generations, whatever it is. And Apple, instead of giving us a bunch of things that, that weren't right and, and don't feel right and don't work right. It don't, don't proportionate right. It, it took those nine years and it probably has been working on prototypes for that long until it got the white, they got it right. Okay.

1:07:48Now it's ready to release. Now we can design it for something that people are going to use. Right. And it's fascinating that, you know, that comment, I would, I, I'm, I'm an idiot. I would never know all those things by looking at it. So thank you. What was his name? Tony? Stuart. Stuart. It was his name, Tony.

1:08:09Thank you, Stuart. Cause I, I, like, I, like, I love that stuff. Like to, just to think that, you know, Molly and Steven and their whole team and whatever it was like, they just spent all this time figuring out what the right way to do this was. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to know that there, you know, there is a system there. There's a reasoning behind it than just randomly picking a size or picking a size that feels comfortable. So to speak, there, you know, there is something more behind it. So, um, that helps.

1:08:40Yeah. So that does it for comment corner.

Outro and upcoming show topics

1:08:45All right. Good. And that does it, you know, I didn't change the number, but I know it that does it for this episode of the macro podcast, episode number one thousand and one. I can confidently say this is the last time I will, I will not fumble over that for one. It's hard to say thousand without stuttering over it, but for two, um, I know it because we had our thousandth episode last week and if you haven't listened to it, go listen to it because Roman did a, like a really great job of pulling together a bunch of clips and it was such a fun show. I actually listened back to the whole thing last week and it just struck me like, like,

1:09:17like, I didn't notice it at the time, but Roman really good job on that. That was excellent. Thanks. Thanks. And thank you, Jason. Thank you. Everything you always contribute to the show.

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1:10:03week. We're working on the watch. We're working on the phones. We're working on AirPods. So yeah, next week it'll be maxed because we don't even know if they'll be done yet. Um, and you can join us then as we talk about every, Oh, I did it again, Roman. I thought for sure I had this cause I wasn't thinking about it. You know, you're like those videos you see with like marathon runners so close to the finish line and they like trip or something or like someone goes past them because they put their arms up. They're doing their victory lot before the, all right.

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