S03E22 - Mary Rodwell // The New Human

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4:37The conversation that we were able to have with Mary was one hell of a ride and definitely a mind bender. Mary is recognized internationally as one of Australia's leading researchers and writers in the UFO and contact phenomenon areas. She's also the author of the highly acclaimed book, Awakening, How Extraterrestrial Contact Can Transform Your Life. And she's the producer of EBE award-winning documentaries. Those include Expressions of ET Contact, A Visual Blueprint, and Expressions of ET Contact, A Communication and Healing Blueprint. Her latest book, The New Human,

5:12which describes and documents Star Children, was released in 2016. That was met with high acclaim. And so today we are really, really excited to jump in and just pick her brain on what this new human concept is. We're going to be looking at human DNA, reality dysfunction, and so much more. So join CK and I for a conversation with Mary Rodwell.

5:46Hello, Mary Rodwell. How are you doing?

5:50Hello. Lovely to speak with you. No, we really appreciate it. Thank you for making time for us today. And you are calling into the show all the way from Australia, which is really cool. We appreciate that. I know there's a time of difference there, so thank you for hanging with us. It's a pleasure. And so, Mary, we know you are a really multifaceted professional. You're a professional counselor, a clinical hypnotherapist. You're a former nurse and a midwife. You've brought life into the world. And most recently, you wrote a new book, The New Human, Awakening to Our Cosmic Heritage.

6:25But for those who aren't familiar with your work, who haven't been to your website, can you give us an overview of kind of your professional career, you know, how you got interested into all the things that you're interested in, and how you got to this moment?

6:40Well, in a pricey, as you said, I was a nurse and a midwife. And you would have probably, a lot of your audience will probably wonder how on earth, a nurse and a midwife, you know, 30 or 40 years ago, ends up traveling the world talking about aliens.

6:58You know, 40 years ago, if you told me that that was my future, I'd have probably sent you to the nearest psychiatrist. So, a lot has happened. And it was a process, really, going from, you know, the conventional healing in the medical profession to counseling. And the great thing with counseling is you get to hear all sorts of human experience, you know, and I did that for, you know, I have done that ever since, along with everything else. And grief and bereavement,

7:29people facing their mortality, they start to tell you about unusual experiences when they open up, because if you're working with someone who's facing their mortality, for example, they want to know, is the life after death? You know, others that have lost someone close to them may say, you know what, I've often wondered if mum was around after she died, because I had a feeling she was, or I sensed her around, or I, you know, I feel she talks to me, or these kinds of things. So, I suppose what I'm saying is, I slowly opened my understanding of reality, to put it in me. And,

8:07you know, I've been an avid bookworm most of my life. If it was a subject that was weird and wonderful, I usually had a book on it, because I found the mystery of being on this planet, what we're here for, what's it all about. As many of you, and this particular, you know, podcast is all about looking at beyond what you're being taught or educated to believe about ourselves. And we know that it's an edited version. You all know, I know that. And the fact was that when you get to the point

8:39of are we alone, what was fascinating for me, I'd never really looked at that until a gentleman walked through the door. He was middle aged, very articulate and intelligent. And he said to me, Mary, there are support groups for everything but this. For this, they just think you're a loony. And proceeded to tell me about his family's experiences, his partner was having experiences, he was waking up with marks on his body, shaved areas on his legs. His children were having experiences. The relatives wouldn't even come to the house because they thought it was demons.

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10:23I'd read two books only a few weeks prior to this. And one of them was by Dr. John Mack, a former head of psychiatry at Harvard University, writing. And he wrote the book initially as a skeptic. And he came, he was exploring people with these experiences. And he did all the psychological testing and came to the conclusion in his book, Abduction, Human Encounters with Aliens. And he believed them. And he also wrote Passport to the Cosmos. Also, I'd read Communion,

10:55Dr. Whitley Strieber's book, the classic about his own experiences as an author. And fortunately, having read those, I was a little bit more prepared to look into this and, you know, and think to myself, okay, if this is a reality, and I certainly didn't know for sure, these people, whatever this is about, they need help. And that's my job. I'm a counselor, I'm there to help people work through whatever the experience is, whether it's physical or non-physical. But of course, that was really the start. And three

11:28and a half thousand people later, families, children, I've got a huge amount of data now about a whole range of ways that people interact with these non-human intelligences. And there is no doubt in my mind, it's right across the planet. I'm emailed from all over the globe with people that attack me about their own experiences, about their children's experiences, and desperate to get information, help, at least someone to listen to them more than anything else. And, you know,

12:06if you like my life, and why I wrote The New Human, and also awakening the book prior to that, because as a therapist, I wanted to be able to offer information that would help people work things out for themselves. Wow. Awesome. I love it. I'm so glad that you went from what you were doing before to providing so many important moments for people who otherwise didn't have a place to turn. For sure, for sure. And three and a half thousand people, I mean, that's, you know, that's considerable. Yeah, that's not a small number by any means.

12:39So let's talk real quick, Mary, about your recent book for the rest of the episode. So your latest book, The New Human, I believe that came out in 2016, that explores some fascinating encounter experiences like you had talked about, but it also pokes at human DNA, reality dysfunction, and so many more talking points that we're going to rip into today. Let's set the stage though. If you could just hit us with an overview of the book, I think that would be super helpful for our listeners so they know what to expect when they

13:10grab a copy of it. Absolutely. And I really put my profession on the line with this because what I discovered from anything else that there seems to be a huge program or agenda in terms of what's happening to humanity. And that, for me, I wrote this book because everyone wanted to know what was going on, why they were having experiences, what was it all about. And that's what I wanted

13:45to know is if thousands of people, maybe even millions, and I believe that's probably the case, are having these experiences, what does it mean? What does it say about us? And why are these intelligences interested in us? And the one thing I noticed, well, there were several patterns that were significant. One of them was the intergenerational link between people in the family that had experiences. I discovered often it was either their parents and their grandparents, etc., that had

14:16had something going on. And from that, even the children and, of course, the grandchildren. So it was intergenerational, which was fascinating because they were working with certain genetic lines. So what did that mean, for example? And the other thing was that I found quite significant is each generation appeared to be that little bit more aware, a little bit more conscious of their multidimensional nature. In other words, more psychic, if you want. You know, that's a very, you know, a word everybody understands. But by

14:51psychic, I mean more intuitive, able to see things that the rest of us don't see so easily, because we only see 1% of visual spectrum for a start. Whereas these individuals over the generations seem to be able to see energy fields, able to see spirits, able to see orbs of light, able to see, feel things that we call the hologram, tapping into consciousness or the hologram.

15:22You know, it's pretty crazy too that, I mean, we've had several conversations with different folks exploring extraterrestrial phenomena and, you know, abduction experiences, all things in that space. And every one of those conversations does eventually poke at the intergenerational component of it. I found that to be super fascinating. And I feel like maybe we finally have enough data to actually compare multiple experiences and instances of this happening throughout the globe to actually see that, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. There is a common denominator here. There are patterns. And so,

15:56I think it's, I agree, it's very, very fascinating. It's very interesting that the intergenerational piece is, you know, pretty frequently out of play. And it also, from a scientific perspective, just makes a lot of sense, right? For sure. I mean, you know, these experiences in general, if they're exactly the way that people are describing and people are selected, you know, for some sort of experimentation, you know, just like we pre-screen genetics for our own human experiments, I don't see why any other intelligence wouldn't follow suit with saying, hey, these specific markers are what we're interested in.

16:28Right. And I think specifically that leads into, you know, one of the really interesting aspects of some of what we discuss with people over time is, you know, that people have these, uh, believable, unbelievable, extraordinary, incredible, you know, people throw out so many of these words. And one of the cool things about, uh, you know, what you're working on here is that you really, uh, start with the, the conception that these are true experiences. Um, and you know, one of the, at the, on your book specifically, it talks about how, uh,

16:58our cosmic heritage explores the diversity of encounter experiences with non-human intelligences. These are true accounts from families and children, many of whom have full conscious recall of past lives, being educated on spacecraft and have been prepared for their earth mission in specific ways. So, um, I think one of the cooler things that, uh, people really want to hear too, is just trying to understand some of these accounts. So could you break down a couple of these experiences, um, for our audience? Yeah. Well, the, the most important thing first is to say that, um, I've been working with an

17:34organisation called the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for, um, research into extraterrestrial disorder experience. And we did a survey, 600 questions, 4,200 individuals right across the globe. Um, and it was orchestrated by a professor of psychology, Dr. John Clemo and a neuroscientist, Dr. Bob David. And what we discovered, and this is the significant part of this, because as you're saying experiences that, you know, um, how do you believe them if they're out of our 3D understanding?

18:09And what we discovered, excuse me, was very profound. We discovered that 25% of this was physical, 75% was non-physical. In other words, many of those individuals having experiences were having them out of body, not... At Palmetto State Armory, we offer the largest selection of guns and ammunition at unbeatable prices. Our knowledgeable and friendly staff are here to provide personalised assistance, ensuring you find exactly what you need. If you enjoy outdoor activities like hunting,

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19:38nuts and bolts ufologists that want to see a piece of the craft, or they want more tangibility. They're not going to get it, because a lot of the time, it's the consciousness. The body is having the experience. And many of people say, oh, I've had dreams of being on spacecraft, and what have you. But I didn't know if it was just a dream. And I'd say to them, how long have you remembered that? And they'll say, oh, I've remembered that dream for the last 20 years. I said, so you still think it's a dream? Interesting. If you are taken in a trance state, you may very well believe it to be a dream. But if you've still

20:15remembered it after 20 years, and it was that significant, it is certainly not a dream. It's just that you've gone in that state that makes you think it's such, because normal dreams are gone within minutes. The other thing, being a therapist, first before researcher, the important thing with that was, I wasn't there to judge the experience. I was there to listen to how they understood their experience, and help them work through it in what it meant to them, how they choose to understand it, and how they choose to integrate it so that it no longer

20:50is destabilizing to them. It wasn't for me to say, oh, well, I believe that, or I don't believe that. Because the one thing, guys, that's really important to me is that I don't know what I don't know. Sure. We feel the same way. You know, you can't judge something just because it's not your experience. I remember talking to a breakfast show once many years ago, and the question she said to me is, oh, so you believe them then? I said, well, let's put it like this. I've never been to Alaska. If people come to me,

21:24they tell me about their trip to Alaska, they show me pictures of it, they explain their experience, I may never go to Alaska, but I've got to believe Alaska exists. So this is the same thing. It's not my personal experience, but how dare I have the arrogance to decide that I know what reality is and they don't? So the second part of that is how many people have similar experiences. And when you see the patterns of experience, there are so many that are standard

21:56with somebody having encounters. And, you know, there's questionnaires out there. I've got a questionnaire in the books as well saying, do you relate to any of this? And you would be amazed at how many people relate to the questions. And I remember very profoundly a gentleman in his 60s contacted me and said, I've had lots of really strange experiences. You're probably going to think I'm crazy. And I said, well, I'll tell you what, I'll send you a questionnaire. Tell me how you go.

22:26So I did that. Within 24 hours, this gentleman got back to me. He was extremely emotional and teary. And he said to me, how do you know about my life? And I, well, plainly, I don't, but I do know about experience. And this is the bottom line is when you've got hundreds of people saying the same things, and I'm talking about not just children, I'm talking about all professions, doctors, nurses, social workers, psychiatrists, politicians, celebrities, you name it, have been

23:03in contact with me. Many of them can't talk about it because of their professions, etc., etc. All I'm hearing is the same kinds of things. And it's a broad spectrum from people who have been terrified, that still, you know, the whole thing freaks them out, they think they're losing the plot, right through to those that say, you know what, this has been the most amazing experience of my life, because it's opened me up to so much that I didn't know. Because one of the amazing things with

23:33this, and when people say, what's the reality? I said, first of all, it changes their perspective of who they are, what they are, what life means to them. I said, they go from materialistic values, they go from wanting to fit into their 3D world, they expand their horizons, they start looking into truth. Some of them get fascinated with quantum physics, astronomy, etc., etc. Many of them change their diet, their lives, they let go of all the materialistic values, they focus on a whole range of

24:07new things to do with consciousness, spirituality. And the one fact that doesn't surprise me now after my research, is we discovered that 85% of those were asked, you know, sorry, 100%, they were asked, what do you, you know, how do you feel about your experiences now? And 85% of them said that they'd experienced a psycho-spiritual transformation. Only 15% were still in the fear place, but the rest of them

24:38said they would never change it, even though initially, it was scary. And so, Mary, when you think about, you know, the specific kinds of trends or similarities in some of these experiences, what are some of the most common things that you hear these individuals experiencing? Well, the first thing is, many of them feel quite strange on this planet. I'll say, you know, I've never, I felt like I've never belonged. I feel my body's too dense. I feel I'm from somewhere

25:08else. I mean, and these are not quantifiable in 3D terms. They're feelings or feelings. That's the first thing. Some of them will say, you know, I remember I came from somewhere else. And often that's the children mostly that will say, and they've, I've got children of six and seven telling me that they're, you know, they'll remember the planet they're from. They'll remember one little 10 year old was telling me that he was in a blue body. He explained that this is his very first

25:39earth life. And he's come in with an understanding that he's to help with the pollution, that that's part of his job, part of his mission. Another child told me he remembers being a will of the wisp, a spirit, working out what he needed to do on this planet. In other words, deciding what kind of life he was going to have. And the next thing he found, it was in mummy's tummy. And that's how he explained it. A lot of them will say they've come with different missions and telling me that his family,

26:11his real family were the mantid being. He explained, you know, the mantis looking beings. He said, that's my real family. They're my ancestors. And when I die, that's, I'm going back to being a mantis. And he explained to me that his job here was to help people understand animals, that they're conscious and they're precious, and that we've got to start treating them with respect. I mean, you know, these are not something they see on cartoons. This is not something they see on talk

26:43shows. They don't read books on this. The parents say to me, we have never front loaded them. We have never said anything about this. And they will come out with it spontaneously. And also, many of them will say that when they go on the spacecraft, I remember this eight-year-old who came to visit me with his mum. And he said that when he went up on the spacecraft, he was with two of his school friends. They were having some procedures done, but then they were being taught by these beings. And there were other children like them, but there were some that didn't look quite human. And I said to him,

27:17how did they look then? And he said, oh, their eyes were different. I knew they weren't the same as us, but we were taught to use our minds. We were given complex information. And so I said, well, can you tell me about some of that complex information? No, he said, it's too complex for you. Wow, man. And so when you think about any that stood out to you as outlier, experiences that maybe were shared by a couple of people in your experience, but more so as some of the potentially

27:53more fantastic. Can you, obviously, without violating any kind of confidence, are there any that stand out to you as kind of like more outlier experiences from the mass? I think the thing that this is leading me to is something about who we are as a consciousness. I think that's where it's taken me, because I'm hearing more and more about those having experiences on spacecraft, that their essence, if you like, can sometimes inhabit one of the beings on board

28:30craft. And to give you an example of that, the first time I came across this eight-year-old who told me that when he goes up on the spacecraft, sometimes he evaporates into a mantid form, in other words, a mantid body for a time, and then he'll come back to his human body. So in other words, his soul, his consciousness, his essence, if you like, will be operating in another form on board spacecraft. And then I heard another lady who told me she was on the board spacecraft, and I said,

29:05so what are you doing? And she said, well, actually, I'm not in my human body. I'm in a grey body, a zeta body as a scientist, and I'm doing work with craft. And I said, well, so what's happened to your human body? She said, oh, it's just over there. She said, you know, it's just waiting for me. And I said, well, how do you get back to your human body? And she described this ball of light, leaving the grey container, or the grey body, and going back and inhabiting her human body.

29:37And then I've heard others say similar things. I mean, there's a gentleman in England who described exactly what this eight-year-old happened to him in leaving and going into a manted body. And he said he did exactly the same thing, because his ancestry is part manted. And that's Simon Parks, who's a politician in England, described exactly the same thing. I'm hearing more and more that there is a real connection between these intelligences

30:08and our soul. And I'll give you another example. One of the fascinating ones was when I was in the Lake District, and a family there had had their car, and they'd been taken on board craft. And there was the grandmother, the mother, and two of her, and two children. And when I went there, they said, we need to find out what happened. And I did a regression on the grandmother first, but then the 15-year-old, he wanted to remember what was going on for him.

30:40And when he was in the hypnosis, he starts having a conversation with the beings. And then he says, one of the experiences, he's in his garden at home, and the spacecraft arrives with this grey beacon coming out to meet him. And then he says, oh, there's three bright orbs here. One's great granddad, and one's great nana, and one's his brother. And I said to him, what do you mean? He said, well, they're visiting as well. And I said, so how do you know that they're your relatives

31:16that have passed on? And he said, oh, he says, I just know, and they're staying there with me, just so I won't be scared, so I feel comfortable. And then he told me that the beings that left him at that time went back on the spacecraft, but the orbs of light that were his relatives went back on the spacecraft too. Wow. So let me ask you this, just out of curiosity, because it sounds like you're having some amazing and fascinating and intense conversations and sessions with these folk. Are these like recurring

31:50experiences that they're having? Is it like a singular abduction experience? Or for some of these people, is it an ongoing experience, event, or series of events where they're constantly being taken or returning to the different body with their same consciousness? What does the rhythm of this look like? Are you seeing any patterns there as well, Mary? Mary It's a very good question. And that was what was very clear to me, because I do hypnosis, as you already are aware. They'd want to know maybe about a missing time episode, that going to see

32:28someone should have only taken an hour and it takes three. What happened to that two hours? Or whatever. So that might be the only thing they've isolated to start with about their contact with these intelligences. What's fascinating, and this is the way that I work, is when they're in that space and they may see themselves on the table having a procedure, but don't know what that procedure is. I get them then to look around them and find out what kinds of intelligences are there

33:01with them. They'll describe them. And I'll say to them, is any of them looking familiar to you in any way? And they always seem to find one of the beings that looks familiar. Well, of course, that actually tells me that they know that being. So I will say, now ask them how many times they've picked you up? And they will reel off without a second, without any kind of hesitation, two, five, seven, 15, da, da, da, da, da. And they will literally reel off the times that they've been picked up.

33:32Wow. So that'll be the time they've ever realized that, in fact, this is an ongoing thing. And then we have, you know, they can have a conversation. They can find out why they're there. And often they're told it could be a healing procedure. It could be collecting genetic material. It could be, and they can ask questions about cells, family. And people say, well, how can they possibly do that? And when, you know, at this particular time, I said, because, you know, in that space,

34:02there isn't time. There is just the experience. And this is what we're the one of the important things about our paradigm is that in terms of understanding that time is only linear, it's something we have as a 3D consciousness. But as our multi dimensional consciousness, time isn't linear at all. It's all now. So they can have a conversation. They get their answers. They get their understanding of why they've been picked up. You know, what is their connection to

34:32these intelligences? You know, and they'll be told a whole range of reasons why they've interacted with these things, including, and you know, you have to go to wherever they go, including the fact that I will say to them, have you on any level consented to this? And usually they say, yes, but before I came here, in other words, it was a sole contract. So that leads me to another question. Um, because I mean, it's, it's fascinating through and through Mary. And my, my mind is like looking at why, why are

35:07certain humans or people being selected and having these experiences? And that takes me to, uh, one of the talking points in your book about hybrid and you know, how you explore the concept of them essentially being a new species of human. So I feel like this is a great jumping off point for you to walk us through this theory as a whole, and then the research that you have completed, uh, to, to corroborate this. So break us off on, on what we're looking at there as it relates to the hybrid.

35:34It's a very good question, but, um, as you probably know, you know, I've already said that my background is nursing midwifery. I wanted to see the tangibility as well as honor their, their experiences. And it took me right back to where our origins, you know, I mean, your lost origins. It's about the origins of the species. At Palmetto State Armory, we offer the largest selection of guns and ammunition at unbeatable prices. Our knowledgeable and friendly staff are here to provide personalized assistance, ensuring you find exactly what you need. If you enjoy outdoor

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37:07Neanderthals, Cro-Magnon, others, and then there's this missing link. Then all of a sudden, Homo sapiens sapiens appears with twice the brain size, added 223 genes that were a sideways insertion of genetic material, all to do with higher psychological functioning. Molecular biologists that have contacted me, geneticists that have noted that we appear to have had our DNA altered and spliced and put back together again. There's Lloyd Pye's book, The Intervention Theory. There's

37:41a geneticist there, a whistleblower geneticist that says, you know, but if I talk about this, I'll be hung up and left to die. The bottom line is that people aren't told the truth. In fact, what comes through, if you look at mythology, you look at anthropology, you look at the gods throughout our history that are being talked about. I don't believe they were gods whatsoever. I mean, these were, I believe, extraterrestrials visiting this planet with greater technology than we had and were

38:13misunderstood. You hear the Dogon tribe talking about the gods that actually the Numo, part human, part fish that interfered with an added DNA to us. This is part of their mythology, for example. Other indigenous tribes talk about the star visitors coming and adding DNA to human DNA. You've got Dr. Francis Crick that also, you know, he was co-founder of the DNA molecule, for example. He always believed that we were intelligently designed and that within our DNA, we would find the information once we

38:48understood what was actually in our DNA itself. There are, there's more understanding that possibly at least 12 different species have added their DNA to ours. I mean, some of them talk about the Anunnaki in the Sumerian text, for example, and other species of gods, for example, as well. So I've got no, you know, in my mind, to be quite blunt, we're all hybrids, but there are some now that are relating more to the hybrid nature because they're coming in with that awareness. And I'm meeting teenagers

39:25and children as well as adults saying, I know I'm a hybrid and they're connected to a particular species. It may be a species of felines, lion beings. It may be mantid, like the little eight-year-old, for example. It may be a crystalline being. It may be a reptilian being where they see themselves as a hybrid. There's a whole range of them that people are saying, that's my connection to my star family. And that's what they see. That's their ancestry. They believe that many of them believe

39:56their origins come from that particular star system, for example, and they've come in human form to help with this planet and its evolution. And the fact that they are awake to that or sense that with their sense of mission is what I am talking about as connecting or awakening to our cosmic heritage. Because that, I believe, is our heritage. It comes from the stars. Could I ask you for your personal opinion on something, Mary? Yes. So, I can't help but just wonder why the entire societal resistance to talking about that missing

40:37link and how it very much appears that, like you had said, there's a splicing of our DNA, genetic manipulation, modification, all the things. But you'd mentioned he can't talk about it because that's it. He's hanging himself out to dry or whatever. Why do you think, personally, based on your experience in this field and all the time that you've spent with 3,500-plus human beings talking about their experiences, that we as a species, as a society, are so closed off

41:07to discussing these things? Because I also can't help but feel that if we knew that this was actually our origin story. And we actually looked at some of the Sumerian accounts, the accounts of Mesopotamia as it relates to the Anunnaki or whatever. And let's just say that in this rant here, that those are actually true. And they came here because they were having issues with their planet, to where they had to leave their planet to find resources elsewhere to fix the situation,

41:37right, the ship or whatever. Couldn't that help us as a species kind of get things back on the rails as it relates to, you know, just the way that we've abused this planet and the things that are changing and, you know, just the unknown future that we have as it relates to Earth? Or is there, I mean, I'm just trying to wrap my head around why we won't talk about it, because I feel like there could be some really positive outcome if we actually understood where we come from and what does it actually mean for us as a species? I'm just really curious as to your take based on your time around

42:07this stuff. Well, let's put it like this. Since I got involved in this whole phenomena, one of the things it's forced me to do is reexamine all my educational beliefs, you know, my scientific beliefs, my anthropological, archaeological, theological beliefs, in fact, every area of knowledge. And what I've discovered is we have, in the main, an edited version of the truth. And this has been going on for centuries. There are people, I believe, on this planet that

42:41absolutely know this. They know the truth. And it's like when we look at the power that gives them, the more they understand and the less the majority understands, the more power they have. And, you know, although I, you know, I never wanted to get into the conspiracy side. To me, that wasn't helpful, except for I had to look at it. And I, you know, when people call them conspiracy theories, I call them conspiracy. And that actually, when you're looking at a conspiracy,

43:13you're a critical thinker. You're not allowing the mainstream to dictate what you learn and grow from in terms of your education. I really believe that there's been a power struggle on this planet for millennia. And the way that that power has been retained is through not telling, you know, the everyday person the truth about who we are, what we are, et cetera, et cetera, because that maintains the power structure on this planet that is extremely unhealthy. I mean,

43:47for me from the, even as you say, if people knew the truth, it would change everything. It would change the way that we look at each other. It would change the way that we judge each other. It would change religion. It would change science. It would change anthropology, archaeology, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, we're not told the truth often about our own history of our own country, for example. You know, why is that? And it's because there are things they want to keep hidden, because the more you understand about who you are and what you are, the more empowered you're going

44:20to be. And the fact that we're, you know, we're given an inaccurate version means that we never really have the understanding to help ourselves, you know, change this planet and change what's happening. You know, it's like the truth embargo of the truth of the fact that in the, you know, the deep state shadow governments know full well we're being visited. And that, you know, they're doing a drip feed at the moment saying, oh, we've, you know, the Navy's saying, oh yeah, they're a strange, you know, unidentified aerial phenomena. We don't know what they mean or what

44:54they are, what a load of BS that is. They fully know what it's about. And they've got craft, you know, many, many craft that have crash landed around the globe. They also know and have had interaction with these beings, many different forms of beings too, not just, you know, the greys, for example, which seems to be the only one they talk about or reptilians or whatever, you know, the scary, scary stuff. The bottom line is that we are having many intelligences visiting us, many humanoids and all the rest of it. If people knew this, then it would change the

45:27way they see themselves. The other thing too, is that we're not being told what we are. The biggest issue for me with that is, first of all, they have technology that we're not being given, or we're being drip fed with technology. Things that came from the craft, like fiber optics, Teflon, digital chip, night vision, are all universe engineered from the craft. They have the ability to change the way we actually energize, you know, we use power and energy, free energy. They've got ways

46:01to do healing, for example. But what will that do? That will change the power structure on this planet. I remember reading the book, The Day After Roswell, Colonel Corso, and he describes in the book how he actually met one of the greys outside a military base in America. And the being said to him, oh, sorry, Corso said to him, so what does that mean for us? You know, in other words, what are we going to gain out of it? And the being said, a new world, if you can take it. And plainly,

46:38we couldn't take it, could we? Because all of that's been shut down. My biggest issue more than anything else is the hundreds of thousands, very likely millions of people, that think there's something wrong with them, that think they're going crazy, because they are afraid if they go to a psychiatrist or psychologist, in present understanding, they're going to be seen as mentally ill. And there are millions of people, I believe, in hospitals that are having experiences that think they are mentally ill. And I write about one story of a little, a 19-year-old young lady that

47:12finally got in touch with me. And she said when she was 14, she went to the doctor and told the doctor that she was seeing aliens. And he said, you know, that you must be unwell and schizophrenic and put her on a cocktail of medications. Three times she nearly took her own life. And it wasn't until she was 19 seeing someone talk about this on a talk show that she said to me, she phoned me up and said, I think I'm having real experiences. And she was, at this point, very heavily medicated and

47:43misunderstood and suicidal. Now, this is just one case, I reckon, of many thousands, possibly more than that, of people because the truth isn't out there. And because we don't know the truth, that many people are being misunderstood and are actually taking medications or think they're crazy. So for me, the big one is the truth has to come out so that this stops and that people start to realize who we are, what we are, and our potential because these young kids coming in now are amazing and they know

48:18the truth. I talked to a seven-year-old when I was in the US who said to me, you know, Mary, I can tell when someone's telling the truth or when they're telling lies. And I said to him, so how, how do you know that? How do you, you know, what does it make you feel? And he said, when they're lying to me, I go all cold. He said, and when they're telling the truth, I feel warm. I always know. And these are the kids coming in. So when you lie to them, they'll know whether you're lying or not. And this is why we need that because we need to know the truth.

48:50Absolutely. So thank you for opening up about that. You know, and one of the other aspects of this kind of stigmatizing effect that you're describing, I think, you know, that happens to a lot of different people for different reasons, different social breaking of different social norms. And one of the things that you get into is this idea of new programs for humanity, including things like attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, Asperger's, different forms of autism spectrum disorder. So could you walk our listeners through, you know, what do you mean by

49:24new programs for humanity and how do these conditions play into the overall theory?

49:30It's a very good question, an important one, and one that I got led into over a number of years, because once I saw the intergenerational link, when I saw that people, adults were coming to me saying, I realize now this has come through my mother's side, my mother was always a bit different, and my grandmother was always a bit clairvoyant, or they may say granddad was always into UFOs, there's your link. As soon as you get someone exploring beyond the 3D world, there is a real obvious

50:03link to them. So, okay, so I thought to myself, so what's going on? We know there's been more sightings, we know that there's a lot more coming out now, since we technologically reached a certain level. And there is a real sense, there's an urgency now, from what the message is that they get, that we need to change the way that we're treating each other, but also how we're dealing with our ecology. What we're actually doing is highly dangerous, and really needing to spiritually become more aware. What I discovered

50:39was that the parents were coming to me telling me, oh, my kid's ADHD, or my kid's autistic, or got Asperger's, or, you know, my kid's dyslexic, et cetera, et cetera. And I thought, well, how is that compatible with an upgrade? If literally I'm seeing, you know, the adults opening up that are a bit more aware than their parents and a bit more aware than their grandparents, why suddenly would we have dysfunctions, which appear to be dysfunctions at least? It didn't make any sense until I started to explore it

51:13and find out, well, what are these dysfunctions? Certainly ADHD do not function very well in a 3D educational program. They lose interest very fast and get bored very fast. So what is going on there? So what is that all about? And gradually you get these little clues, these little synchronisms that give you information. And regarding ADHD, it was a lovely gentleman in Hong Kong, Neil Gold, who's a researcher and experiencer, wrote the book Close Encounters of the ADHD Kind. And he talked about

51:47his interactions with the light beings. He talked about the fact that he only discovered he was ADHD in his 50s. And he said, it was, Mary, I always saw reality in an expanded way. I always could make sense of the matrix that I was seeing. And I knew I was seeing things differently to everyone else. And he in fact, re-translated his ADHD into always dialed into higher dimensions. That was the clue. The clue was ADHD, because ADHD, they're harder to program. And the only way we program them, literally, is to shut them down,

52:21to give them Ritalin or some other sedative, to slow them down so they can be, if you like, programmed. What I felt, and you do this, you find yourself saying, well, what are the intelligences up to here? What is it that was the objective? And it came very clear to me that they wanted to make sure that we were no longer programmed into a limiting, unlimited belief system and paradigm. Because that's what happens to all of us. We get

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54:25The sense is it's not real. We all have intuition. We all have the abilities to access the multidimensional nature of reality. That is innate in us. And yet we're told we're not to trust it because you can't quantify in the left brain analytical side of you. We have a multidimensional side of us that access the matrix that we get intuition. We get feelings. We get knowings. We get senses. People will see spirits. We'll see orbs. And you're told that's not real. That you're

54:55crazy if you hear information or you get a sense of information that you haven't learned. You must be crazy when in fact that's actually a natural part of who we are. So what I discovered or what I believe is going on is these new programs make the new human harder to program. They are wired differently deliberately so that they're not so easy to program into this inaccurate matrix that we're told is 3D. And with then they are able to honor more of their senses. And one of the wonderful

55:29molecular biologists experiences that I talk about in the book and she's contributed to the book along with others that have the background of being both a scientist and an experiencer. Dr. Lina Olson, molecular biologist, she's also an experiencer. She calls them letter people and she's one of them, part ADHD, part autistic, and said that she's tested the senses and they're all expanded. In other words, the sense of touch is six times more sensitive. The visual acuity is a lot more expansive. Hearing

56:02is a lot more sensitive. And she's tested all of this from her scientific side. But as she says, she's also able to perceive the non-physical realms to actually see energy fields and also pick up information from these intelligences, which are either as downloads or a communication. And clairvoyants do it, clairaudient, you know, those that are clairaudient. We're coming to the understanding now that what we're talking about is human consciousness, which is separate, although linked in this lifetime,

56:36separate to the body because it can travel out of body. Astral traveling tells us that. Remote viewing tells us that. People have out of body experiences. Those that have had near death experiences have talked about being out of body and taking in information with their consciousness, soul, spirit. The evidence now is overwhelming that we're more than the physical container. And yet that has been shut down through the programming that says nothing beyond your senses is real. So what we're seeing is almost a catalyst through these interactions that are showing us more of what we truly are and making

57:12sure the programs of the new genetic mixes do not lose that awareness because of the fact they're harder to program. So they're wired differently. And people say, well, why the, you know, that they talk about indigos, crystals, all that says is they're different programs for different mandates. For example, the indigo is one that challenges the system is the rebel. You've got others that have come in as healers. You've got others that have come in to work with earth energies. And I had the 17 year old explain to me

57:46from New Zealand that he's an Arcturian ambassador. And he, his ability is to change the ecosystem in terms of how we live to be in harmony with the planet. That's his job. That's why he's come in and he knows about his origins and they all identify with being hybrids, which means to me is that DNA that is the ET DNA, our star family DNA is being activated. And as it gets activated with these frequencies, they then connect to their hybrid origins in a far more tangible way.

58:20And hot damn, Mary, I think that you teed up the next question perfectly. I know that we're nearing our time here and we want to respect yours, but one concept that I want to make sure we touch on tonight is reality dysfunction that you explain in your book. I would love for you to walk us through what reality dysfunction is, but then also your research around how we potentially need to evaluate or reevaluate the current model and or implement a new model of reality. So I was hoping that you could just walk us through

58:50explaining reality dysfunction for our audience and then maybe break us off on what the new model could or should potentially look like. Well, as I say, I've touched on the fact that I believe that we have been programmed into an inaccurate reality and that problem. And because of that, the materialistic mechanism, scientific paradigm has done this over the last few hundred years to the point where we doubt that that aspect of ourselves that is multidimensional. When you have the fact that they're saying that

59:24we're just a physical body and that when we die, we die. For example, everything to do with exploring consciousness now is telling us the opposite. Those that are looking into consciousness, whether it's through near death experiences, shamanic experiences, you know, they may, you know, there are lots of different ways you tap into the matrix, which Dr. Rudy Shields, who's an astrophysicist, calls the quantum hologram. We now understand that DNA has the ability, and this is through science,

59:54Russian scientists, that have discovered that DNA actually operates miniature wormholes into consciousness, into, if you like, the consciousness we're all part of, that intelligence we all are, whether you see that as spirit, soul, essence, whatever it is. It's the consciousness that we're all part of, and we access that through literally our DNA, the holographic nature of our DNA that creates those wormholes into the matrix itself. So this is all becoming more and more acceptable as the scientists

1:00:31look at this and realize that there's so much more to reality. One of the lovely quotes is from Albert Einstein saying, those that believe that they have the mandate on truth and knowledge are shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods. And quite honestly, anyone who tries to tell you they know what reality is, quite honestly, I would worry about them, because nobody has the mandate on reality. Nobody fully understands what is reality and whether we're co-creators of consciousness, which I suspect we may very

1:01:02well be. But the bottom line is, we're finally realizing that everything we've been ever taught by, you know, up to date, has not been the truth about what reality is. And it's now consciousness is that, you know, the big one. And what it's saying is that what we're experiencing, we have the ability to access the matrix, to access the hologram, and to get information in numerous ways with our awareness. And these, you know, remote viewing is one of the ways we do out-of-body experiences.

1:01:35It may be through shamanic experiences. Hallucigens are another one. I'll tell you a little story briefly. When I was speaking at Oxford University, and I still can't believe I actually won the forum, but this young student came up to me and he said, can I ask you a question? And I said, sure. He said, I've got a friend, and I laughed when he said that. I've got a friend, magic mushroom. And when he took the magic mushrooms, he saw a gray. Was that genetic memory or was that real? And I laughed and I said,

1:02:07I suspect it was actually real. Because when you take these altered states, go into these altered states, you're seeing more of the matrix. You are seeing more of our greater reality. And there are many different ways that people can access us. And that's one of them, you know, through taking ayahuasca or these other ways of showing us the true nature of reality. And it's about time, you know, that people wake up and realize that they've been lied to. And that the truth is that we're still trying

1:02:39to find out what is consciousness and what we are. And I certainly know that we're not tied to our physical body, that when our physical body dies, then we certainly still are a consciousness that chooses to access other realms and continues to access other realms way beyond the loss of our physical body. Reincarnation has shown me that through doing hypnosis, people going to other lifetimes and then experiencing in between lives where they're just consciousness or they're just light,

1:03:11and then deciding to be in another form. You know, hundreds of regressions I've done, same kind of information comes through. You know, they're not all hallucinating. They're not all fantasizing. There's got to be a tangibility there. There's got to be some kind of evidence that that's a reality. Well, Mary, I feel like it's, you know, always incredible to speak with somebody who has your diversity of experience. But I think, you know, you dropped that awesomeness on us right at the end.

1:03:41You know, you could, and I couldn't help but think, you know, in your reply, you're like, well, you know, tell your friend that this is the case. But, you know, some of the stuff that you're describing here about regression and, you know, the sort of many things that you've learned through hypnosis, you know, I'll go out on a limb here and say that I could imagine tons of the Lost Origins audience would probably love to, you know, dig deep into that with you in a future episode. So, you know, we know you're very busy, but it would be really awesome if we could maybe take a

1:04:13separate conversation in the future and even just talk about, you know, some of the hypnosis experiences and some of the things that you've learned about different aspects of consciousness and, you know, translated experiences. And I know we kind of ran out of time today, but hopefully in the future we could talk to you about that. Well, and also like, I know, great point. I know the Lost Origins community and audience would love that, but like selfish me says, I want to do that. Even if we don't release the episode, maybe we just get on a call and just talk for an hour about that. Just talk to us.

1:04:44But before we let you go today, can you tell us and tell the audience, you know, where can they find your current work on the web or different social media channels? What else are you working on? You know, how can people keep up with you? Well, just Google Mary Rodwell and you'll get my CERN site, which is the Australian Close Encounter Resource Network. I'm also a co-founder of the Dr. Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extra and Extraordinary Experiences, which is www.experiencer.org. I'm also on Facebook. So there's many different ways

1:05:23that you can access me and lots of presentations too. Again, all you need to, on YouTube, you'll see where I take people and I take them a fair way down the rabbit hole, I might add. But that's the point. In terms of the research that I'm doing, I continue to push the boundaries because I have to, because that's what I'm coming across. And you were talking about hypnosis. I have gone with people to parallel lives, to different timelines, to, as I say, being just creator energy beings, you name it,

1:05:59there's been no limits to where I've traveled with my clients. So absolutely, I'm more than happy at some point to talk a little bit more about what I've discovered about the soul and, and, you know, what we experience. So very, sorry, we lost you there. So awesome. I really appreciate that. And also for those who want to check out your personal website, I hope you're okay with me giving out that

1:06:31URL as well. Uh, just cause it is such a cool URL, uh, alienlady.com. Really cool. Yeah. And we'll make sure that we link, uh, to, to all of Mary's websites on the, uh, media section of our website when this episode dropped. So if you're listening to this on, you know, Apple podcast is what it's called now, Google play, Spotify, whatever catcher you're using, hop over to lostorigins.com forward slash media scoop up this episode and we'll get you linked up with her.

1:07:01And you can find these books on Amazon. You can also go to alienlady.com directly, and there's a shop section where people can order each of these individual books, new human awakening expressions of ET contact, um, an entire meditation CD series. Um, so there's a lot of good stuff on there, uh, to check out, but Mary, thank you so much for spending time with us today and, you know, getting deep into these things. Really appreciate, uh, you articulating so much of this stuff today. It's been an absolute pleasure, both of you for inviting

1:07:32me. Thank you. And, um, hopefully we'll talk again before too long. We definitely will. We look forward to getting you back on the show, Mary. Thank you so much. And, uh, you have an awesome Australian morning. Thank you. Bye now. Hot damn. Uh, I hope that you guys enjoyed that conversation as much as TK and I did. Um, man, Mary is just well-spoken, um, but also very, very thorough in the way that she's researching and approaching these different concepts. Uh, the, the conversation as it relates to reality dysfunction was one that I just could

1:08:05not get out of my head is one that CK and I spent so much time discussing after the conversation with Mary, just an amazing, amazing rabbit hole opened up for you through that conversation. So head over to her website, make sure that you check out her books and her films, and you guys will not be disappointed. All right. So next week's episode is going to be incredible. If you were a fan of Joseph Selby's appearance from the CPAC run this season, you are going to be stoked. Joseph Selby is coming back on the show next week to continue the conversation that we started at CPAC at the tail end of 2019.

1:08:41If you have not listened to that episode, go check it out. The chunk of CPAC episodes is more of a smaller bite-sized approach to a lot of these researchers. And so you're able to jump in and get like a 35, 40 minute conversation with him, as opposed to the full format of the show. Uh, kind of like a little teaser introductory session to Joseph and his work. So you definitely want to do that to lay the groundwork and, uh, do not miss next week's episode. So, um, you know, make sure that you guys smash the hell out of that scribe button written five-star reviews are

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