You've Got To Be Kidding Me: Building Our Greatest Wrestler Ever 2026 List

0:00[UNKNOWN]: Hello there friends, as the greatest wrestler ever project comes to a close, we thought it would be fun to put out the list that me and Liam put together for our joint collective greatest wrestler ever on Patreon, into the main feed for you all to enjoy. [UNKNOWN]: So you can check out the actual list and these are the combined 100 between me and Liam. [UNKNOWN]: This was first released on Patreon on April 7th, so please take that into account for any references we might make, and also I think both me and Liam probably would make changes to this list at this point, which is kind of a fun part of this project, that even in a little under two months, since we actually publish this on Patreon, I think we'd both probably make some changes here and there, both in terms of the people on the list and the rankings of the people in the list, which is I think one of the more fun parts of this project to actually take some time

0:51[UNKNOWN]: that you appreciate. [UNKNOWN]: So check this out. [UNKNOWN]: As I said, this is a free Patreon preview. [UNKNOWN]: This was published on Patreon on April 7th. [UNKNOWN]: If you would like more Patreon content, tnh.com Patreon.com slash kidding me, or the 2016 Adraft is available now. [UNKNOWN]: The 2006 end of your awards will be available in the next few days, and we'll also be doing the season one finale of Lucia Underground, Rain Taker, is all before. [UNKNOWN]: You can install lots of 2006 episodes, but you've got to be kidding. [UNKNOWN]: So please enjoy. [UNKNOWN]: It is the greatest wrestler ever season and we figured as a special opatry on and maybe main feed treat at some point.

1:26[UNKNOWN]: And we would talk about our joint 100 wrestlers ever. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is official. [UNKNOWN]: This is the official ranking. [UNKNOWN]: No matter what the actual rankings come out as this is the one that everyone should look towards. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Of the people who are, you know, most informed. [UNKNOWN]: We're most well-read when it comes to professional wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: We have the pros, scope of knowledge and experience and understanding. [UNKNOWN]: I think we really have a definitive point of view. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, so for those who do not know what it is, it is a... Every ten years?

2:06[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right. [UNKNOWN]: Every ten years ranking done from the pro wrestling only forums, where they have basically throughout all this time on their forums, they have had places where you can nominate wrestlers that is accompanied with match recommendations and discussion about these wrestlers, they have then nominated and put into the pool. [UNKNOWN]: and from that pool every 10 years or so, they will do a, well, I guess, a site wide, but also it has delved out of just people who are interacting on the forum to a more general polling.

2:41[UNKNOWN]: And it's probably the most sort of properly thought about list. [UNKNOWN]: of its kind. [UNKNOWN]: I believe I did one in 2016, I don't remember, but I think I did.

2:55[UNKNOWN]: I did not do the one in O6. [UNKNOWN]: Well, that would be a very interesting list if you submitted one in O6. [UNKNOWN]: But you know, it's something that a lot of the real heads out there get excited for. [UNKNOWN]: You know, it just does happen every not it's not an an [UNKNOWN]: a constant occurrence, so it's very interesting. [UNKNOWN]: Last year, last time it was won by Nature Boy Rick Flair, who was number 8 in 2006. [UNKNOWN]: Interesting. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that is actually an interesting thing about these polls and that like it is as much like a kind of vibe check.

3:33[UNKNOWN]: People as much as it is like a scientific process. [UNKNOWN]: It is as much like how we feel about like

3:42[UNKNOWN]: I suspect a big shift in the top 10, mainly because like I don't think Jerry the King laws crack in top 10 this time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not my, you know, it's like probably only bull, but I think the general consciousness has shifted. [UNKNOWN]: Because that is the thing, the voter base is pretty wonkish. [UNKNOWN]: In a complimentary way, but they're there, they're the died in the wolf freaks who like freak shit. [UNKNOWN]: So Jerry Lawler's punches will always carry a lot of weight. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, I will just bust through the top 10 of 2016 for reference.

4:13[UNKNOWN]: Um, number 10, Jerry the King Lola who 2006 was ranked 41. [UNKNOWN]: Number 9 to Sheki Kauata who in 2006 was ranked number 2. [UNKNOWN]: Number 8, Kentacabashi who in 06 was ranked number 5. [UNKNOWN]: Number 7, Rey Mysterio Jr. who in 06 was ranked 22. [UNKNOWN]: Number 6, Lucian Thunderliger who in 2006 was ranked

4:34[UNKNOWN]: And number 4, Mitsuharu Masawa, who was number 7 in 2006, number 3, Stan Hansen, who was number 10 in 2006, and number 2, Terry Funk, who was number 11 in 2006, with of course Rick Flare being number 1. [UNKNOWN]: I think most of those that up, and I think you say you'll see a lot of turn over in that top tan. [UNKNOWN]: I think I do. [UNKNOWN]: I think we will. [UNKNOWN]: I think Masawa will drop. [UNKNOWN]: I think Masawa is not in Vogue anymore. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Rae will be fine. [UNKNOWN]: He'll be top 10. [UNKNOWN]: Ly girl will be fine. [UNKNOWN]: He'll be top 10. [UNKNOWN]: Funk will be fine. [UNKNOWN]: He'll be top 10.

5:06[UNKNOWN]: Flare will probably still be top 10, but I don't think you'll win it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think Flare will win it. [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Hansen will be top 3. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: I think the one of this list that you will see jump up will probably Brian. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and I think there's a good chance you'd win it. [UNKNOWN]: I think there's also a good chance he will win it. [UNKNOWN]: But it doesn't matter because who we give it to number one is really more important. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: So for reference, this is just going to be a lot of us naming dudes and then talking about dudes. [UNKNOWN]: Dudes is a non-dergenter specific term in this instance.

5:37[UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: But we will throw out some trigger warnings. [UNKNOWN]: In that we are going to talk about wrestlers at some points that maybe we don't have the best understanding of there will be huge gaps in our knowledge And for one thing literally not get the best fairest shot here. [UNKNOWN]: It's just the matter of what we have seen I'm sorry about that [UNKNOWN]: We're easy to reach the last two years, but um, so just keep that in mind if you're a huge leech ahead and you're going to be mad about that, maybe this just isn't the thing you should listen to.

6:12[UNKNOWN]: Um, it also will either be 30 minutes or seven hours long, and it will either be the worst or the best piece of water it would ever make. [UNKNOWN]: Now, with that said, the format, I think as we're just gonna, I'm gonna say a guy, Gary, will say a guy. [UNKNOWN]: All vice versa, I don't need to be number one. [UNKNOWN]: Um, and then we will go through that as we debate their spots and such, uh, we'll post the full link, uh, to the list at the end. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: And it will be submitted as well. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we're submitting this. [UNKNOWN]: I'm submitting this. [UNKNOWN]: As the official, you've got to be kidding me, entry.

6:44[UNKNOWN]: I think it'll be under my name, but yes. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, good. [UNKNOWN]: So you will be the one who will be ridiculed when Chris saved his number one. [UNKNOWN]: And he won't be. [UNKNOWN]: But anyway, um, I was thinking for number one, we can't know. [UNKNOWN]: We just both say on number one pick. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then we go from there. [UNKNOWN]: Mm. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: You ready? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Three, two, one. [UNKNOWN]: Can you do Boston? [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, we're reaching across. [UNKNOWN]: I think both perfectly acceptable number one picks. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think both are in my top five people I would vote for.

7:16[UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm okay with putting Steve number one. [UNKNOWN]: He's fucking stone cold Steve Austin. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, you know what's so rare that you get like the biggest star in the history of the business was also one of the best wrestlers Like to act especially in that company. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, especially in that company to have a dude who's like a work rate freak Who's also the best promo in the world and is the biggest star in the company like I don't think you can get better than Steve Austin

7:52[UNKNOWN]: four-rather names, but I think literally on my preliminary list, he was my number five. [UNKNOWN]: It's just fucking, it's Steve Austin. [UNKNOWN]: I've been watching a decent amount of Austin lately, and just like, I don't know, seeing his promos in particular, you're like, that dude is fucking magnetic. [UNKNOWN]: I'm so, I'm kind of mad that he's almost when reduced to the catch raises. [UNKNOWN]: Like, we were like, oh, and that's the bottom line and what, and then all that. [UNKNOWN]: When, like, the actual content of his promos, they're, like, you, you see so much John

8:23[UNKNOWN]: How much John Moxley you see in like 97 Steve Austin, but he's so real, he's so like, you see the attitude you're coming on the back of him and it makes so much sense. [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it would work with any other person on in the lead. [UNKNOWN]: Like for as big as the star as the rock was, or Mick Foley was, and Mick Foley was hugely responsible for making so many of those stars. [UNKNOWN]: If you don't have Austin in front of all that, it just doesn't work. [UNKNOWN]: And then that interesting thing about it too is like if you talk to like specific people you'll also be like That it's not even his best work Like they're like they're like die in the wall like his WC that be stunning Steve stuff is like his best stuff as well And it's like I kind of really fight you on that either like he was obviously a bigger star in the world wrestling federation But like as far as like a guy that was like belt a bell he was great everywhere He developed like some of his best character work in ECW

9:18[UNKNOWN]: And there's like, I think at the end point like Austin Postneck break wasn't the same and like I don't even think that's really true I still think he's awesome belt a bell. [UNKNOWN]: He's working like he's stylistically a little different. [UNKNOWN]: He's less technical. [UNKNOWN]: He's led and like more brawling, but he's still awesome And I think like fundamentally one of the big things that's going to go into like how we write things, especially in like our version of this list is going to be rule of cool and he is just the [UNKNOWN]: cool see it and like that's unfortunately going to be a major factor because the things that like me and garab hop for I like cool we like cool shit you know I like the fact that if I dressed up as Steve Austin in 2026 I would still be dripped out.

9:57[UNKNOWN]: Yep and I really like that he just got out like 2004. [UNKNOWN]: I honestly that's a big of a plus to anyone is being is someone actually just saying fuck it. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I'm the biggest star in the world. [UNKNOWN]: That's not shit. [UNKNOWN]: He will come back for one match against Kevin Owens. [UNKNOWN]: A match that was also really good, and that's it. [UNKNOWN]: That's just his career. [UNKNOWN]: So we're looking Steve at number one. [UNKNOWN]: If you're amenable to that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so. [UNKNOWN]: Then how do we feel about can you make it? [UNKNOWN]: I'm a two. [UNKNOWN]: I would be. [UNKNOWN]: I'm bored. [UNKNOWN]: Can you all make it number two? [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm obviously always going to fight for Canadian mega.

10:27[UNKNOWN]: To the point where I think he, and I've said this before, to like, some screwed up faces and such. [UNKNOWN]: I think Canadian mega is the most underrated greatest wrestler of all time. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: I, I feel like, maybe it's just to a specific group of people and the people that like, I am most in contact with when talking about things like this, but like, it's not a name that I feel gets brought up nearly enough. [UNKNOWN]: Um, when people I sort of discussing goats. [UNKNOWN]: Or maybe it's just an era that I was from, and like now there's a lot of like younger people who would be more applicable to sort of putting that name up there.

11:01[UNKNOWN]: But for me I've always it's always been a mixture of I think when I see Prime Kenny Omega I I don't think I see anyone better [UNKNOWN]: Like, when I see him wrestling at his like 100% form, even when his body is failing him at every fucking corner I still watch him and go there's no one who was done this better. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, especially for people like, you know, if you are amenable to the to the New Japan epic style. [UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's anyone who does that better you know like it's it's part of it's part of like how he was in Obviously one of the major factors of that golden era of that boom Having a you all star roster to do it with and bringing in his own like flare and sort of independent spirit throughout the whole thing

11:49[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think people hold against him that he popularized the style that became kind of annoying and I think that's stupid He did it better than anybody else did no one else could match it everyone tried everyone tried to do that style of epic But you as you said you watch the very peak form of Kenny Omega as you said even like crumbling body against Gabe kid Kenny Omega And there's there's no one who can do that and [UNKNOWN]: and everyone tries. [UNKNOWN]: That's what makes it more impressive to me.

12:21[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't like water it down that people can be getting bad copies of them. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, everybody has tried to do what he does and no one has succeeded on that same level. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they're like, if you wanna look at it by like, you know, observer standards that people hold now for like the whole of fame, it's like, [UNKNOWN]: If you're gonna go influence category, like, influence doesn't always mean good, you know? [UNKNOWN]: Yes, well, it's because someone is great at it. [UNKNOWN]: And there's a hundred other people that try to do it. [UNKNOWN]: It's still influence at the end of the day. [UNKNOWN]: It is. [UNKNOWN]: So feel free to throw you next name up.

12:52[UNKNOWN]: I mentioned him as we were talking about Steve Austin. [UNKNOWN]: He is a man who I feel pretty strongly about top 10, but you could talk me out of it at McFullley. [UNKNOWN]: I would also have him top 10. [UNKNOWN]: I think there's names I would put forward before him. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like, I want to counter you like immediately with a Brian Danielson first. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you, if you would like to start Daniels and straight into three, I would be perfectly fine with that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because like, if Kenny wasn't my number one, it would be Brian Daniels and.

13:22[UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: And like, I, I am totally like fine with a folly being really high on the list too, but I think I think I'm okay with it folly at four. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He wouldn't be my four, but I think I'm okay with him at four. [UNKNOWN]: I just feel like he's fallen into historically underrated, which drives me crazy. [UNKNOWN]: Given like he made the rock, he made Steve Austin. [UNKNOWN]: He made the Undertaker, he made Triple H, like maybe he didn't by make Austin. [UNKNOWN]: But like he made those other three guys, like on his back Randy Orton, he helped make Edge, he helped make, like all of these guys, Mick Foley gave his entire body to Vader and WCW, like Mick Foley.

14:00[UNKNOWN]: It's that generosity I think above all else that that willingness to give all of himself all of his body to make his peers and Like he did get us on run on top and he did get it like his crowning mom, which is quite nice But like that defines his way to funny. [UNKNOWN]: He very easily couldn't like what couldn't have you know There is like 99 realities in which he doesn't and he is the most criminally underrated wrestler of all time [UNKNOWN]: Like the history of wrestling is different without him. [UNKNOWN]: Fundamentally. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like like there's a lot of people who have had very successful careers that they old to make fully.

14:34[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: One of the main of it to wrestle manian two weeks. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And also it's like the fact that um with folly he it's not like he tape it out in a negative way either. [UNKNOWN]: Mm. [UNKNOWN]: Cause like [UNKNOWN]: The T and A stuff is sick, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like, is it maybe the ending you would want for a fully know? [UNKNOWN]: But like, it's still fucking sick. [UNKNOWN]: And great promos. [UNKNOWN]: Like, people underestimate how a promo foley's T on a promo work. [UNKNOWN]: Like, obviously his 90s promos, ZZTW promos, in particular, just unbelievable.

15:04[UNKNOWN]: You'll go back and watch them now and you're like, oh, nobody's done it like that since. [UNKNOWN]: Like, nobody, it's crazy how like real they are. [UNKNOWN]: And nobody has touched that shit since. [UNKNOWN]: And you're still watching TNA stuff, and like you have the in-ring from what Flare or their Boston themselves, but it's like, it's a wrestling, the literal quote from that promo, there's a bunch of good stuff in that TNA run even even if the matches aren't quite up to what I had imagined for all you would have wanted them to be. [UNKNOWN]: Um, but like, as you say, even in 06, he was still good enough to make an edge at WrestleMania.

15:35[UNKNOWN]: Like, that guy who was retired for six years at that point, and still could like come out to get that level of match out of a guy that needed it all off the back of a world title run. [UNKNOWN]: Like, edge could have easily kind of fizzled off the back of his first world title run. [UNKNOWN]: He could have just fallen back down to being a bit character guy. [UNKNOWN]: I think that match in feud with Folies, one of those things that really helped like cement him in that kind of spot. [UNKNOWN]: Um, and to now talk about the guy that I'm pitching above him. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's Bryan Daniels. [UNKNOWN]: I think it's Bryan Daniels, and I think like one of the simplest arguments that you can give to Bryan Daniels, and not that you need to, is there is three distinct periods in that man's career when you can say, uh, one of the greatest runs of all time.

16:16[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: If you tell me that you think he's AEW stuff is one of the greatest runs of all time for American TV, I'm not going to fight you on it. [UNKNOWN]: If you want to say that his whole WWE run was the best stuff that companies have ever done, I'm not going to fight you on that. [UNKNOWN]: And if you say that his best stuff that the ROH run was the best stuff that's ever been done on the independence, I'm not going to fight you on that. [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like, this is a guy that has defined decades of US wrestling at this point.

16:43[UNKNOWN]: From every single level and being able to change it every time and do something different every time and adapt to the environment that he's in and now of course bringing his like expertise and bringing his legacy to A.W. [UNKNOWN]: was just like that firma I think more than like most I think like the fact that Dennis and left and went to A.W. [UNKNOWN]: was like the final seal of approval on that company. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, especially for the kind of company AW is trying to be like Brian Danielson embodies that's a period at its best so when you actually have the guy who can do the kind of like main event styles that you like in theory want AW to have it's very good to just get Brian Danielson there to do it for three years

17:24[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, join me to throw my one out. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go for it. [UNKNOWN]: Actually, okay. [UNKNOWN]: I was gonna look at my list for this one person that I I need to get up here quickly as possible Mm-hmm, Horoshi Tanahashi. [UNKNOWN]: That was gonna be my next suggestion. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I would honestly, yeah I would be fine moving foldy a little further down. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you want to do if you want to do Tanahashi four foldy five I'm fine with that as well. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, um, it's so funny like when we're doing it the top two like list of these people because we're like [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's explain my Hiroshi Tanahashi's good. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I mean it's especially in like this year where it's like where everyone we have you know discussed that length and everyone has discussed that length the legacy of Hiroshi Tanahashi and why he is so important, but like

18:04[UNKNOWN]: He is. [UNKNOWN]: It's that simple of a fact. [UNKNOWN]: Bringing this company on his back, bringing it back, and leading the charge into one of the most impressive booms of a company revitalizations of a company that has happened. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, ever, like maybe like someone like, you know, the WWE turn around, but like, like from a pure like money standpoint, but like, and, you know, again, Mexico, not our knowledge base, but like, you see what New Japan was, the when New Japan got it at its peak.

18:40[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, very, obviously, too, like the end of that golden era coinciding with the end of Photoshop's physical peak is, you know, a notable factor as well. [UNKNOWN]: I would also make the same case I made for Foley. [UNKNOWN]: He made a lot of guys. [UNKNOWN]: He made, he made more guys in Foley. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, made a lot of help, make night dough, help establish styles, help to make white, help to make a boochy like... [UNKNOWN]: He made a lot of guys. [UNKNOWN]: He was Omega's first heavyweight program against. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: In New Japan. [UNKNOWN]: when people had written him off as like a junior like comedy guy.

19:13[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: It was the first person he beat was the right shit on a Hashie. [UNKNOWN]: That means so much to me that like not only were they good, not only did they have good matches with people, not only were they like top stars in their territory or whatever. [UNKNOWN]: They also like helped pass it forward, which not a lot of people do. [UNKNOWN]: Like Hulk Hulk would never really made a guy. [UNKNOWN]: like ever, immediately sort of went against it, even, like, did it through, um, uh, gritted teeth. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, savages may be the only only one you can kind to give them, but like he probably helped make savage other than that.

19:47[UNKNOWN]: Eh, not so much. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, but he's still like a great wrestler. [UNKNOWN]: One of the biggest stars of all time. [UNKNOWN]: But when you look at somebody who can also make a guy, [UNKNOWN]: just by wrestling him, not even losing into him all the time either, like he didn't put a card over that much, he put him over once at the start and then beat him like a drum wouldn't matter. [UNKNOWN]: But just the putting him over and just being in those matches, like that is what helped make a card on that level. [UNKNOWN]: So that all was helps a lot to me. [UNKNOWN]: It's, um, it's, I can be like one of the most, um, redeeming factors.

20:17[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Of a person, a star of that statue's career. [UNKNOWN]: Because like it'd be very easy for them to just say no. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like it's so, you see it so often, wrestlers protect their spot, wrestlers are selfish. [UNKNOWN]: They wonder, like, let's reach their own run on top for as long as possible, but what they don't realize is that if you make an Okada, you get another five years on top, running matches against Okada. [UNKNOWN]: That's what people don't realize. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, yes, it is giving, it does also slightly selfish, because it works out quite well for you. [UNKNOWN]: But like, you can, if you establish yourself as the generational rival of the next guy up,

20:50[UNKNOWN]: that gets you another like three or four years of big matches on top. [UNKNOWN]: It's a really good for you to make the next guy. [UNKNOWN]: And furthermore, it has, um, it, like, forever link show like it's used together. [UNKNOWN]: So when that guy is the top guy for the next 10 years, like, when they talk about him, they're going to talk about you. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: So like, you know, it's someone, it's sort of a, a bigger understanding of, like, understanding how the business works on a completely different level. [UNKNOWN]: Um, next up, how do we feel about a Rey Mysterio, Junior? [UNKNOWN]: Listen, are you don't like Rey?

21:22[UNKNOWN]: I forgot you don't like Rey. [UNKNOWN]: I forgot you're a disgusting freak. [UNKNOWN]: I just, it's not that I don't like Rey. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: It's just that like, he's not my guy.

21:33[UNKNOWN]: Like for reference, I made like a top sort of 15 at the start of the day is like when I was thinking about this, I had right 11, okay? [UNKNOWN]: Like he's gonna be high on my list for a god list. [UNKNOWN]: He's one of the most consistent TV workers of all time. [UNKNOWN]: One of the most recognizable wrestling figures of all time. [UNKNOWN]: He's just not my guy. [UNKNOWN]: There's a couple of names I would have before, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Let me just throw two out at you, and then if you want to say that neither of them are above, we can move on, you know?

22:05[UNKNOWN]: Because they're only other two that are in my sort of top five vicinity that I want to talk about is Terry Funk and Cantica washi. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: They're my only two that I feel stronger about, like, on a visceral level than Ray. [UNKNOWN]: But I'm also not going to die on that hill. [UNKNOWN]: In that order?

22:23[UNKNOWN]: Umm...

22:28[UNKNOWN]: I can't speak to Kabashi, I'm like, again, as the most well-read wrestling, I can't speak to Kabashi. [UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched a lot at 90s of Japanese for wrestling, I'm sorry, you've seen enough, though. [UNKNOWN]: I've seen the Big Matches, you've seen the Kuchitaises, you've seen, you've seen, like, him and Joe. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I watched it when I was, like, 13 and didn't appreciate it. [UNKNOWN]: But the thing is, like, with those three specific, with funk,

22:59[UNKNOWN]: Mysterio and Kabashi they all have similar cases for being really great like the whole way Like they're three guys who were like good from the beginning to good to like sort of when they wrapped it up, you know? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um listen. [UNKNOWN]: I'm happy with the order of funk, Mysterio or Kabashi [UNKNOWN]: I'm fine if you would like to flip Mysterio on Kabachi. [UNKNOWN]: I agree. [UNKNOWN]: Funk is the pro wrestling at law. [UNKNOWN]: You know, we were talking about this recently as like there's a real theme of like independent spirit.

23:29[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, like put it in our top. [UNKNOWN]: Funk is the guy that like embodies the independence of pro wrestling better than anybody else. [UNKNOWN]: Maybe in the history of pro wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: He is just that guy, he's just that outlaw who went from company to company and territory to territory, doing cool, awesome matches, and then like disappearing off into the sunset until he was needed again. [UNKNOWN]: And then you just watch any of funk in like the late 70s to early 90s in Japan. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, oh, they were going to die for that man. [UNKNOWN]: Like that man was a god in those buildings.

24:02[UNKNOWN]: Him and Dory to be fair, not just Terry, but [UNKNOWN]: Doris I'm gonna who I think we'll talk about at some point too, but like funk as a man who re-invented himself into the 90s and was really important to helping ECW along and that even had a little role in the ring of honor as well and two matches and TNA which is very important. [UNKNOWN]: Like truly like the independent pro wrestler in the best sense of imaginable. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, yeah, I don't know, it's, it's Terry Funk. [UNKNOWN]: It's, again, a guy that like whenever you watch, you just go, this guy is so far above, like anyone else.

24:37[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, again, like, in there with guys who are also all time as soon you look at it and funk just like steals the show. [UNKNOWN]: So that's our order. [UNKNOWN]: But uh, yeah, we can hear a funk. [UNKNOWN]: Can't take a Boschie? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the thing about, like, can't take a Boschie to me, like, he is just sort of, like, as listen, I'm all of the pillars will be on here. [UNKNOWN]: But, like, Cabashi to me was like, [UNKNOWN]: the guy, the figure, like it's funny because like he always sort of emotionally or spiritually felt like number two to miss hour as like a true ace but like to me he like embodied it better and maybe that comes in like miss hour not eating as much shit but like Kabashi would just eat shit against these guys.

25:25[UNKNOWN]: Like Steve Williams just droppin' him on his head and kabashi, like the fire that kabashi had was just like, next level, you know, it was a reason burning existed. [UNKNOWN]: But like, I don't know, there's a legacy and there's a, there's a passion around Kenta kabashi. [UNKNOWN]: Which to me is just like next level and like another thing that that in comparison to Array to me Like my favorite kind of match type is the epic is the the guys that like a willing to put everything on the line They're gonna get beaten down and fire back and go for that big shots and it's like that's the reason I like and it's not even race folks.

26:03[UNKNOWN]: I think Ray could have these matches He was just in a company for decades that didn't have these kind of matches [UNKNOWN]: So for me, it's like Kabashi sort of embodies that pure like pro wrestling fucking spirit, you know? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I get that. [UNKNOWN]: I understand. [UNKNOWN]: And like and the fact that like as a again, I can always appreciate as a broken and beaten down old fucking fucker like [UNKNOWN]: Still doing this shit and still delivering in these spots, you know, and getting out before it was like too much And fighting through fucking cancer and coming back like what are we fucking doing man having fucking like one of the greatest if not the greatest Japanese title run of all time Yeah, so being being having that guy in two companies

26:45[UNKNOWN]: one of which he helped launch. [UNKNOWN]: That's like, I just, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Like, everyone's always gonna have their favorite pillar. [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be an endless debate. [UNKNOWN]: But like, to me, like, that sort of pure emotion embodied is Kentick Abashi. [UNKNOWN]: And that's why I have him writing so highly. [UNKNOWN]: Like, on my, my list before, which after like sort of 16, I was talking about, but he was my number four. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or as like Ray's case is he had great TV matches all the time. [UNKNOWN]: What's the thing, Ray? [UNKNOWN]: He's like the complete opposite, but not in a bad way. [UNKNOWN]: It's just pure consistency.

27:17[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like on a pure consistent basis on a working great matches in a company that despises great wrestling is its own entirely different version of what I'm talking about. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, because you just get a guy who will give you a three and three quarter star match every single week every week of his life for 30 years. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'd like that's legit, that's just what he's done and he's at higher match, but like the level of consistency. [UNKNOWN]: You watch a Ray Mysterio six minute velocity match against Digiri and you're still going three and a half on that bad boy. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

27:48[UNKNOWN]: Well, if someone told me that Ray Myster was the goddess of the whole time, I might think they're a bit of a WWE head, but I will accept it. [UNKNOWN]: And like Ray was, I had that period where like, oh, he's done he's washed, it's over. [UNKNOWN]: And then he magically fixed his knees and got another decade out of it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he injected so much bullshit into his knees. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which I respect. [UNKNOWN]: So Kabashi seven, right eight? [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think that's good. [UNKNOWN]: Um, let me throw out, and I have one that you will go with, I think, but I'm gonna save Chris save on top 10.

28:18[UNKNOWN]: Ah, this, because there's some names here that like, I would throw out, but like, it's just not gonna make, like, I can save them because I just know that like, I don't know if you're, because you're just gonna, like, throw your hands, but yeah, sure, 10 Ruins top 10, like, Sure, yes, I will be, that, that, that will happen. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I think I'm willing to save them and we can talk about Tomahiris. [UNKNOWN]: Yes! [UNKNOWN]: Yes! [UNKNOWN]: The man who I think at this point is my favorite wrestler of all time. [UNKNOWN]: I think he's overtaken AJ as my favorite wrestler of all time.

28:50[UNKNOWN]: For the very same reason we were talking about Ray, except Tom delivered four and a half star matches every month for the 10 years of his life. [UNKNOWN]: He has the same consistency, but a higher ceiling as Ray was stereo and did it with fucking everybody. [UNKNOWN]: Like I've all I think, but like I watched him against Juice Robinson in a fucking GA hall in Ireland. [UNKNOWN]: And he once again there just had a four and a half star match. [UNKNOWN]: just in a random GA Hall in Dublin because he's Tomohiro Ishien, that's what he does.

29:20[UNKNOWN]: And even at this point in his career, you watch him waddle his way out to the ring. [UNKNOWN]: You're like holy shit, he can barely move. [UNKNOWN]: He's falling apart. [UNKNOWN]: He's terrible. [UNKNOWN]: It's over. [UNKNOWN]: Tom Nishi cannot do this anymore. [UNKNOWN]: No, four and a half star match again. [UNKNOWN]: Because it's Tomohiro Ishien, that's what he does. [UNKNOWN]: He's crumbly. [UNKNOWN]: He's falling apart. [UNKNOWN]: He gets injured in every third day. [UNKNOWN]: He's all the match. [UNKNOWN]: But what do you need him?

29:45[UNKNOWN]: Or it's like, even like, you know, we sort of like done it. [UNKNOWN]: We ridden him off. [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't do one's anymore. [UNKNOWN]: And then like, was a part of making the never six man titles, one of the highlights of any new Japan be sure. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: There's not enough good things can be said about big Tom.

30:05[UNKNOWN]: I've done this to myself. [UNKNOWN]: You'd have. [UNKNOWN]: You will get consensus on Tom. [UNKNOWN]: You will have to just say, yes, Tendru to me. [UNKNOWN]: And I will listen, I'll go with you. [UNKNOWN]: I'll trust you. [UNKNOWN]: But I think I'll put big Tom at nine because it's the most based pick. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, but I will give, I will give Tendru ten. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: And it's a thing where it's like, if you started watching, I wanna say about one thing about Tom first. [UNKNOWN]: Um, the biggest compliment I can give Tom is if I ever am going to show a non wrestling fan wrestling match, it will be a Tom Hera Ishi match, because it's believable, it's true and it's authentic.

30:39[UNKNOWN]: And it is the thing we talked about this on rain takers. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, the man is so charismatic. [UNKNOWN]: It's what people don't understand about Tom or you are Ishi, that they're just like, oh, he just does moves. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, no, he fucking doesn't. [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't. [UNKNOWN]: He is incredibly charismatic in terms of getting people to rally behind him. [UNKNOWN]: But that's saying a fucking word, all physical. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, charisma. [UNKNOWN]: He is like the ultimate underdog. [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, Ray, who was like the above him. [UNKNOWN]: But he is the actual ultimate underdog and that he brings you into that ring with them every single time.

31:10[UNKNOWN]: Mm. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna throw 10 or number 10. [UNKNOWN]: Sure. [UNKNOWN]: If you watched 10 room matches, you would fall in love specifically. [UNKNOWN]: Mmm, because like there is a swagger about tenor that's like you've kind of feel like he's just this unbeatable He's young. [UNKNOWN]: He's kind of like it's kind of just like not in wrestling, but in Presora and presentation and how he emits himself to the crowd He's a lot like I just a big-ass Shabbata. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, where he's just like he exudes the energy of being the coolest guy ever

31:42[UNKNOWN]: And then matches it up with having like amazing, again, those epic style Japanese matches, from the 80s up until fucking killing Ocarara in like 2014 and his retirement action. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And like, you know, before some of the other people's retirement matches that we talked about, like, a content of a greatest retirement match of all time as well. [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, tender is like a guy that's like, once you see him, you'll get some day. [UNKNOWN]: Some day I'll lot rest one. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: When we have time. [UNKNOWN]: And now, we actually watch a lot of wrestling lately.

32:13[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but watching Sico death match it and told you Josie Pro. [UNKNOWN]: That is true. [UNKNOWN]: One of the death match people we will be talking about later. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Do you have a pick for number 11? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm scrolling over there. [UNKNOWN]: How do you feel about the top 10? [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a good top 10. [UNKNOWN]: I think that's an interesting top 10 and a worthy top 10. [UNKNOWN]: Layering sort of you want someone above someone else. [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm pretty happy with that. [UNKNOWN]: And as I'm scrolling down my own list, I don't think there's anybody I would slaw day in above anybody we have. [UNKNOWN]: I have a name that keeps popping in my head.

32:45[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: For number 11, but I don't know if it's might be like slightly. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, give it to me. [UNKNOWN]: The name that he's popping in my head is AJ Styles. [UNKNOWN]: Listen, as the man who was my favorite wrestler until Tom you served him, I won't deny it. [UNKNOWN]: Is there someone that you think is speaking more? [UNKNOWN]: If you would ask me to name him by the next wrestler on my list, it would have been AJ Styles. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm pretty okay with that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, to me like what I just I'm seeing him is like he's not top 10 But he's almost top 10 years another guy like utter consistency barely ever injured It did it in multiple companies became an undeniable star and companies where he may be shouldn't have

33:24[UNKNOWN]: The degree to which WWE came to rely on AJ, even as AJ declined physically. [UNKNOWN]: I think tells you everything you need to know about AJ as a performer, and that you can just put him in there against anybody. [UNKNOWN]: You need two big matches against Cody Rhodes. [UNKNOWN]: You can get them out of AJ, even in 2024, whenever those matches were.

33:41[UNKNOWN]: And then you look at him in his physical prime and you just watch the way he moves and he bumps and he sells and he emotes and he gets the shit kicked out of him and he gets like he is he flies Yeah, he's my favorite wrestler of all time obviously it's nice to have a TNA representation this guy or they's the guy heavily associated with TNA in this high But then also just had the new Japan run and also the WWE run to put the cherries on top [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's also like really fun to think about his career as like a guy that was never sort of associated as like a promo guy, and then like ended up being one of the most like recognisable and better TV promo is in WWE.

34:15[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like that's just an interesting, you know, twist to his career, especially you go back and watch him and know four or five dog shit. [UNKNOWN]: So bad. [UNKNOWN]: But anytime he opens his mouth, it's terrible. [UNKNOWN]: Cause like there was always that like, that same, um, allegations sort of lobbying towards Bryan Dinoson. [UNKNOWN]: And I never thought it was fair with Bryan Dinoson. [UNKNOWN]: No, he just had a different style of talking. [UNKNOWN]: Um, but AJ, it was valid. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely horrendous. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like so bad and then anytime you already need to get heaty with two slurs, but No, you know as a professional really personal this list.

34:51[UNKNOWN]: That's true As a professional wrestler, I think like matches against Joe matches against Angle matches against Roman Reigns Matches against Tana Hashie matches against Sokata like you can keep going [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm trying to think, because like, I think 15 is a really important cut off. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, who are like the four people that I'm like, if they're not in the 15, it's a good. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would have, once or maybe not a 12, but in this, these four that we're thinking about before 15, like Ricky Steamboat is one that comes up for me.

35:23[UNKNOWN]: Um, over flair, personally, I've always gravitated to do a more than flair. [UNKNOWN]: And I think I just love baby faces is a thing I'm learning increasingly. [UNKNOWN]: just earnest, like, true, the good guy doing the good thing. [UNKNOWN]: And people who are just really good at that, it's really, it's why I love you at the moment. [UNKNOWN]: Like, watching people do your baby face fun. [UNKNOWN]: The mentals are really, really, really well. [UNKNOWN]: Is the thing I really gravitate toward. [UNKNOWN]: And so, like, I've always been a rookie steamboat guy. [UNKNOWN]: Like, whenever I watch the flare matches, I was like, I got a rookie steamboat guy. [UNKNOWN]: That guy's really good.

35:53[UNKNOWN]: And even when you go as far as the Jericho matches, all the way, like years in the future, he's like, that Ricky Steambolt guy. [UNKNOWN]: He's old, but he's still really good. [UNKNOWN]: And like, anytime he does something like physical, you still see it. [UNKNOWN]: He's still still permeating in his fucking body, you know? [UNKNOWN]: Anytime he has to do a couple of Iron Dragons and a couple of chops, you're like, that's, that's, he's fucking got it, doesn't he? [UNKNOWN]: And this is like any time I go back and I watch like any territory stuff and like he's in it again It's like how I'm talking about with funk where you like you see him wrestle against anyone You're just like why that guy so far above other people and these wrestling like old-timers It's like you see that with like steamboat too Yeah, you watch him wrestle guys that will be on this fucking list and you're like wow Steamboats so much better than yeah, yeah

36:38[UNKNOWN]: Um, I'll throw out two names. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: We'll, we'll, we'll give a steamboat and you think of one more. [UNKNOWN]: I have that thought in that order. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Would you like me to name out? [UNKNOWN]: What's your, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Mystical. [UNKNOWN]: Mystical was my 15 on my list. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: It's fucking Mystical. [UNKNOWN]: especially now especially off the back of the second run like maybe in 2016 you'd be like well he had the first run but then you had the death bell around his neck that is Stincara and like him having this second run to thoroughly put that Stincara run in the mud like that was not him and that does not stop for a feel good fucking story

37:18[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that come back story, like I think that's not that his legacy was like an inquestion, because he was the biggest star in Mexico in the 2000s, but like that sincara run sucked. [UNKNOWN]: And it's not so bad that like there's the ricochet quote from a few months ago, W. Ruins wrestlers like a cease and like I think there's a chance had mystical not had the second run. [UNKNOWN]: We wouldn't talk about mystical in the same way as we are right now when [UNKNOWN]: Undeniably, one of the biggest stars in the world, maybe the biggest star in wrestling, breaking back out in the U.S. and having these A.W.

37:54[UNKNOWN]: matches, where it's like he's getting his redemption in America, as well as this unbelievable C.M.L.L. [UNKNOWN]: runwear. [UNKNOWN]: Like he is now like literally a cultural institution in Mexico City. [UNKNOWN]: Like he will go to the Cathedral of Professional Wrestling, to see mystical perform, mystical. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He is an institution. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He's on fucking iron chef Mexico. [UNKNOWN]: You know, like, he, like, just, again, and like when it comes to him, it's like, there are obviously masks that are more iconic. [UNKNOWN]: There are like, there are masks that people recognize quicker, Santos, masqueras, Ray.

38:27[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But like, there's not many. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: There's not many that when you see that fucking mass you're like holy shit, and again a guy who's still fucking rocking at like that all-time great level in 2026 who had matches last year that were in contendership for best match over the year that has started doing it in the U.S. again And like is getting sort of this I don't I don't want to say swansung because I don't know how much longer Mizzico's career it could be go front of the fucking decade [UNKNOWN]: But like, it's nice that he's getting this true moment, you know?

39:00[UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: So, I will go with the other two people who were in my top 10 that we haven't talked about yet. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we have three. [UNKNOWN]: Alright, uh, I'm gonna get this one out the way first. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, cause you just got O'Cada. [UNKNOWN]: Fair. [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, man, it's O'Cada. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I'm fine with a kind of going a little lower just because he's in his fucking prime. [UNKNOWN]: He's still in his fucking prime. [UNKNOWN]: You know, like he's still doing it and like, I think what's obviously there's all the new Japan stuff.

39:31[UNKNOWN]: And like, you know, being the the face of the golden era. [UNKNOWN]: Um, being the guy that, like, had fucking Steve Austin and Jim Ross being like, holy shit, you know, as they watched Japanese wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: Um, but the fact that he's like the most interesting guy on American TV in 26 is like such a feather in the cap. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, especially adapting to that style, which some people might criticize the way he has done that. [UNKNOWN]: I think he's actually done it pretty well. [UNKNOWN]: I think they did it first, but I think maybe we'll have come around on it now.

40:02[UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: You know, he's had like two of my favorite matches of all time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like legitimately in like my top three. [UNKNOWN]: So what the fuck are you going to do? [UNKNOWN]: Now I have to make a real choice about the fourth person I put up here. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Because it's between my number nine and my number ten. [UNKNOWN]: Who are they? [UNKNOWN]: Dusion Thunder Liger. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: And Akira Harkato. [UNKNOWN]: Interesting. [UNKNOWN]: Um, I care how good my pick for greatest women's wrestler of all time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I think again, if you want to go like rule of cool, she's she like made aesthetic. [UNKNOWN]: I think there is a direct through line and some again for them might not like this, but there's a direct through line to.

40:38[UNKNOWN]: How Joshy wrestling is presented now that comes from the impetus of Akira Halka. [UNKNOWN]: Because her presentation and her willingness to play with them is something that you see a lot now. [UNKNOWN]: And when you watch something from Akira Halka, whether it be the Kandori matches, whether it be the big egg stuff, whether it just be random fucking tags. [UNKNOWN]: You see that her presentation and her presence is so fucking palpable that like it gets you like the hairs on your arms like sticking up before the bell of your rings and then she's willing to die for this shit.

41:17[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Then she'll fucking kill herself. [UNKNOWN]: She'll break her neck and come right back and do it again. [UNKNOWN]: She doesn't give a shit. [UNKNOWN]: She'll have the coolest, bloodiest match of all time, which is Dory, sorry, with Kandori. [UNKNOWN]: And it's fucking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, she'll be getting fucking dropped on her dome, covered in blood in the crowd. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, how, how, you know? [UNKNOWN]: And again, like broken neck, came back. [UNKNOWN]: It's fucking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Um, I think, like a bubble, she's the measuring stick in which I write every other women's rest are against.

41:52[UNKNOWN]: which is quite a parer. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there's only one other woman I would put up there that's close with her. [UNKNOWN]: And that's saying something, you know, and also, you know, Dusion Thunderlark. [UNKNOWN]: The measuring stick upon which you measure every junior, every way it against. [UNKNOWN]: I know. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: So I think Mystical is 12 personally. [UNKNOWN]: Would you prefer O'Cada 12? [UNKNOWN]: I think I'd... [UNKNOWN]: I'm happy with Ms. [UNKNOWN]: Goodwill. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: I'm happy with Mr. Go and 12. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: And then, I think I won't hook it though.

42:22[UNKNOWN]: Fair enough. [UNKNOWN]: And then, Ocada. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: I'm fine if you'd like to put Steambolt at 16 and LIHEAR at 15. [UNKNOWN]: I'm fine with LIHEAR at 16. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Like, um, because like the thing like with Liga, it was like, again, the measuring stick, he fucking, like popularized the whole style made other companies, like, be like, shit, we need juniors, which is like, what a fucking, like, boost to give people, you know? [UNKNOWN]: I, I, to be like, old Japan's watching fucking New Japan's juniors, like, fuck, we need to get in on that, you know?

42:52[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But like, he probably like, truly one of the best innovators of O time probably doesn't have like the longevity at that top level. [UNKNOWN]: He does as a star and in popularity, but as far as like working at that top level, it's probably a shorter run than one would expect. [UNKNOWN]: He did get downcycled faster than you think. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Koji kind of molded out the one 15 dress. [UNKNOWN]: The super genius instead. [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll be talking about him later. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, now we gotta get to this 20. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you want to throw a name out. [UNKNOWN]: I do, but it's Azure Kong.

43:25[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, listen. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, you know, everything I said about the KiraHawk that also applies to Azure Kong. [UNKNOWN]: And Azure Kong is still doing this shit now. [UNKNOWN]: You know, like, how crazy is that? [UNKNOWN]: We were watching that Tokyo Joti Pro show in which Azure Kong did have a match. [UNKNOWN]: And like, I did ask the question. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, has a woman's wrestler had more matches than Azure Kong? [UNKNOWN]: in the world ever. [UNKNOWN]: And I think the answer might be no. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I couldn't imagine who would even be like equitable. [UNKNOWN]: Like I'm not sure the Mula works for 15 times a week and the tear just I'm done.

43:55[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so. [UNKNOWN]: So like I think I don't think anybody has had more professional or actually not that this is a quantity list that we're ranking who with the most matches, but as did like that kind of legacy and women's wrestling is like unheard of. [UNKNOWN]: Literally unheard of. [UNKNOWN]: No one else has done that. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, again, just like one of the staples of the the most innovative era in pro wrestling in the most innovative group of wrestlers of all time. [UNKNOWN]: And like one of the top tippy tippy top stars of that, uh, should as Flare top 20 for us personally.

44:31[UNKNOWN]: I'm fine with it, there's going to be someone on in the top 20 that I think is going to be very interesting for people to hear from me, but like I'm fine with Flare going [UNKNOWN]: Because it's weird in that, like, I intellectually appreciate Rick Flair, but I never had an emotional attachment to Flair. [UNKNOWN]: And it's partially because, like, I grew up with old man Flair, as opposed to territory, champion Flair. [UNKNOWN]: So, I'm like, listen, he was still awesome in, like, 2003 WWE. [UNKNOWN]: He was still having great matches even then.

45:02[UNKNOWN]: But, like, I never had that emotional attachment to him. [UNKNOWN]: But, like, I can go back and watch if Flair match any Flair match, basically. [UNKNOWN]: from the 80s and 90s, of more of the 80s and the 90s, but I'm an appreciated for what it was and what Flair was and what he meant to the territories and how good a fucking healy was. [UNKNOWN]: He's probably taught 20, but it's not an emotional choice from me personally. [UNKNOWN]: It is purely like statistical. [UNKNOWN]: Like it is the most objective, not subjective.

45:32[UNKNOWN]: Um, but like I'm like flared 18 also like feels fine. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, I'm fine with putting flared here. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, steamboat welfare as is the correct way in the world of those. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, so let's talk about a guy. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, that. [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm interested to hear your reaction to me mentioning, uh, someone who would be in my top 15. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So let's talk about

46:00[UNKNOWN]: Hirashima, someone who I consider like a top five Japanese wrestler ever maybe, like, the perennial true fucking ace of DDT carried that company on his back throughout his entire fucking life from like 1999 to now.

46:19[UNKNOWN]: has always been good, has never, ever been bad, has had fucking fantastic matches with basically anyone in any style that you can imagine, has been fucking innovative in every way, has played every role, I just, I have nothing but like great things to say about Hiroshima. [UNKNOWN]: I'll allow it. [UNKNOWN]: I truly like if it was at least of like just like the 2010s would probably be like three for me. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: I like interesting picks as well. [UNKNOWN]: Hiroshima right next to Rick Flair has got intended.

46:52[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I listen. [UNKNOWN]: I think people who watch Hiroshima know, I think it's like purely a like a bias of like not knowing. [UNKNOWN]: you know, like he isn't regarded higher yeah like I would like I would I would pitch him for like observe a whole thing mm-hmm unlike like many metrics all right I'm gonna throw a name at you for 20 uh-huh Walter no you know no has Doubbery ruined him that much for you

47:23[UNKNOWN]: I don't think even like, peak Walter would be like 40. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, for me, hmm, maybe it's because I was in the building for a lot of peak Walter. [UNKNOWN]: That definitely does help. [UNKNOWN]: That dude was different, you know? [UNKNOWN]: When you saw that dude eat a live dude, it's siren, you don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Ah, wait, he's so funny. [UNKNOWN]: that the person you saw that in person you're like this dude is so undeniable in that role that like he's as good a wrestler as maybe I've ever seen in person you know what I'm gonna shut the fuck up yeah and I'm gonna allow Walter because I just put her off to her and I'm changing let me do it okay okay like and like listen I fucking love him

48:10[UNKNOWN]: I had, like, my match of the year multiple years since, like, when I first saw him as a big daddy of all the in progress when, like, I had first learnt about, like, wrestling outside of America and Japan. [UNKNOWN]: Like, it exists. [UNKNOWN]: Guy who immediately stood out to me. [UNKNOWN]: Guy who I literally went to my other friends who watched wrestling, like, you gotta watch this guy. [UNKNOWN]: There's Walter, dude. [UNKNOWN]: There's

48:36[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I'm gonna shut the fuck up and I'm gonna accept it like even though in my heart of hearts He's probably just cracking top 50. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like I will accept it and hope that he leaves the devil company one time some day He'll have a good run in a good company [UNKNOWN]: though honestly even the fact that he's somehow had a good run in WWE again speaks like if you get achieved that it's the same thing with Bryan Danielson it's like if you can overcome their biases against you that you become the man that they choose to retire Goldberg John Cena and AJ Styles like if you become that guy to them in that company you're pretty darn good at professional wrestling

49:14[UNKNOWN]: So I'm gonna put I have some hitters that I want to top 30 these old people well that I want that you know Yeah, um, but the thing the one that is speaking to me right now is and it's just because like saying well to there I'm like I gotta get this guy out now [UNKNOWN]: uh Stan Hansen. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay. [UNKNOWN]: Cool. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: That's all the discussion needed. [UNKNOWN]: It's Stan Hansen. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He's the coolest. [UNKNOWN]: Like he may be the coolest wrestler. [UNKNOWN]: I imagine once and we had a two-minute conversation about football. [UNKNOWN]: That's fucking awesome because his child played football in college is well seen like a lovely man.

49:45[UNKNOWN]: What team does he support? [UNKNOWN]: We didn't get that deep.

49:49[UNKNOWN]: I was wearing a soccer jersey and he was like, oh soccer, it's still time. [UNKNOWN]: That's true. [UNKNOWN]: I'll go hunt him down. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they're like, Hanson, obviously he's like a guy that like criminally underrated by like current wrestlers. [UNKNOWN]: He like should be watching Stan Hanson and learning from Stan Hanson. [UNKNOWN]: A guy he like knew when to eat shit and knew when to kill. [UNKNOWN]: And just a remarkably like amazing project of his character for how much of a character it was. [UNKNOWN]: Like you listen to him talk and you're like, [UNKNOWN]: Fuck yeah, like you're rolling with it on every word, you know, like whether it be about like how is gonna fucking Larry at Choshu Ricky when he comes back to Japan he's in Mexico and he's cutting it in the streets of Mexico

50:29[UNKNOWN]: Fuckin' dip pouring out of his mouth, like, and then you're like, holy shit, man. [UNKNOWN]: There was no rest of that like that now. [UNKNOWN]: No, and it's a shame. [UNKNOWN]: Like, like, even, like, the closest thing you get to that is maybe Walter. [UNKNOWN]: And Walter even Walter doesn't feel like that. [UNKNOWN]: Walter is like the stoic killer, not the, like, wild man will murder you. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and like the thing is like because obviously the hint when you talk about Hanson you immediately start thinking about Brody Yes, and like the difference between Hanson and Brody is that Hanson also had great matches and wasn't just that.

51:00[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I love Bruza Brody He's all character. [UNKNOWN]: He is all aura. [UNKNOWN]: He rarely has like fucking great matches Hanson has like a fucking catalog of fantastic pro wrestling behind him as well. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't name. [UNKNOWN]: Would you like me to throw out a name? [UNKNOWN]: I got a couple lined up, but you can, I've done the last few. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Casey Muto, the great Muto. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, this is like the interesting block or we're in like the all-time great wrestlers. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, yeah, but you're like, oh, yeah, Stan Hansen and the great Muto in 21 and 22 of course.

51:33[UNKNOWN]: I think the thing that really stands out to me about Muda and something that I appreciate more and more now is like when I do go back to watch like his stuff in the 90s I am like always way more impressed than I thought I was going to be by everything he does and like he has like said sort of like blocking the the 2000s to the 2010s where he's like It's Muda, you know, and he's kind of starting to wear on you despite being like super cool [UNKNOWN]: Um, but like, you know, it was the wrong decision, but he kind of killed it in those GHC matches too, man. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.

52:03[UNKNOWN]: Like, it was rightfully lambasted as a booking decision for him to just run through everyone. [UNKNOWN]: But like, you go big much as matches, they're kind of fucking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think like old man Muto gets like over indexed in your brain so that when you do go back and watch 90s move to your like holy shit He moved like that. [UNKNOWN]: He really moved like there's a reason old man is a reason he walks like that now. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah When he watches if we go away to go back and he's like, yeah, he fucking fucked his knees didn't they yeah [UNKNOWN]: So we currently have one pillar. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I think we're maybe in the just put the rest of the pillars on the list section of this Yeah, you want to go miss sour 23 shinya Hashimoto 24.

52:41[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as that's not again Like this is everyone's gonna have their own biases of which pillars they like the most, you know But that's kind of my order for it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and musketeers, of course, and then Kawada [UNKNOWN]: At 25 we just have a little pillars block here and muscatids. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I'm not that an interesting one go for it Someone that I would like having my top 25. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, I feel about homicide. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's on my list I might not have him this high, but I kind of like having him this high

53:13[UNKNOWN]: because like the thing about Homicide to me is he is the pivotal role in the two best ring of honor, a few of all time. [UNKNOWN]: Steve Carina and CZW versus at Roach. [UNKNOWN]: And like both of those are built around Homicide being the guy and you also have the journey to the Irish title, you have him winning it, you have like him losing it straight away. [UNKNOWN]: It's like all of these like things like that

53:42[UNKNOWN]: And, of course, I've always said this, if you ever heard audio from me, there was, what is our number one fucking thing that we love in progress link? [UNKNOWN]: Authenticity. [UNKNOWN]: And that is exactly what homicide brings. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think LAX works without homicide. [UNKNOWN]: Like Conan's a good promo, and Hernandez is like a cool big guy, but homicide is the guy that gives them like a real, both sense of danger and sense of street cred that makes that act like actually cool. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, cuz I like that could not be cool, but like homicide is the linchpin of that act Hmm, so we're okay with homicide at 26.

54:12[UNKNOWN]: I'm okay with homicide at 26. [UNKNOWN]: I have I have someone else Yeah, but I think maybe there's people that it hmm. [UNKNOWN]: I can throw a name if you'd like show tying down aside Some old Joe. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah You some old Joe. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah [UNKNOWN]: It's so a joke. [UNKNOWN]: Like, so a joke is, I think, so a joke in 2005 is the best a professional wrestler has ever been. [UNKNOWN]: Like, if you say, who peaked highest ever as a professional wrestler, I think it's so a joke in 2005.

54:44[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that didn't necessarily sustain and he didn't have the longevity even if he has the AEW run now to kind of like bookend it. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, but that's again, that is like we just love a happy thing. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but back to like some of our jar in the Twilight years of his career as a two-time world champion Yeah, in like a major US promotion TV promotions specifically is like like thank god Like one for the good guys. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but also like you know the guy that gave if you don't talk about giving fucking credibility They've got to give TNA credibility [UNKNOWN]: For sure, if you don't have Joe, it's like, like, like, angle AJ's a cool match.

55:17[UNKNOWN]: And angle sting is a cool match. [UNKNOWN]: And angle of bass is a cool match, but angle Joe is a dream match. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you don't have Joe, you don't have that immediate, like, holy shit card angles and TNA moment. [UNKNOWN]: In the same way you do, he's immediately confronting some of Joe, or the names you were pondering. [UNKNOWN]: I've put a few. [UNKNOWN]: I think there's one that is speaking to me now, though. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's a couple, but there's one that's really sort of speaking to me. [UNKNOWN]: And that's a sushi I need of. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was actually thinking of him even higher. [UNKNOWN]: Like, in my mind, was on it on Eda and the team.

55:49[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Just as a guy who, like, pure presence in professional wrestling, a guy, like, with a star power through the nose. [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I was bumping on Eda to 26. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you'd like, if you'd like to put on the head of doing that, I'd like to feel more correct to me, but if you fundamentally disagree. [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm okay with that. [UNKNOWN]: Because I was like, when we were in, like, the mystical Hokkaido Kata like her section, I was also like, Yeah, should I need a B in here too? [UNKNOWN]: You kind of throw them out, they're man! [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm thinking about it though.

56:20[UNKNOWN]: It's like it's like now we'll put him down a little more. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And I like, that's just saying, like you talk about presents. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Like the guy that you see and like, I think anyone can understand O'Needer. [UNKNOWN]: Because the crowd are willing to die for him. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's basically pro wrestling's cult leader. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: No Kevin Sullivan. [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: Or Bray Wyatt. [UNKNOWN]: But no, sorry, please, I cut you off and just want to tell O'Needer. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when you watch him, there are so few baby faces that have that connection with the audience.

56:51[UNKNOWN]: But they are living and dying by everything he is doing. [UNKNOWN]: He might die because he's an exploding barbar death match is with piranhas every so often. [UNKNOWN]: Like he might actually die. [UNKNOWN]: He's putting himself on the line on that level. [UNKNOWN]: So you watch the crowd watch his matches and they are like, enthralled, enthralled isn't even the word because enthralled is suggests like there's a there's a level of barrier between the performance, which I don't think there is for it either. [UNKNOWN]: Like they're there. [UNKNOWN]: They're with them in that ring in a way you get so infrequently. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, you hear it.

57:23[UNKNOWN]: You can actually just hear it in people's voices. [UNKNOWN]: You can see it in their reactions when you're watching those matches. [UNKNOWN]: There is palpable true human connection there and like and if you want to like break it down to like pure Like that's on bolts like like the aesthetic This guy fucking coming out ripping sygis bandaged up before the fucking match even begins like [UNKNOWN]: And being able to play, like you're saying, one of the greatest baby faces of all time, right? [UNKNOWN]: Being able to do the complete opposite as like this fucking junkie, we don't want him here, like getting out of our fucking prestigious New Japan pro wrestling, like being able to be that fucking like scumbag too.

58:05[UNKNOWN]: It's just the fucking like no complete opposite sides and being able to play both of them fuck perfectly. [UNKNOWN]: I have one more that sort of reaching out to me, speak on it. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, if I talk about the greatest wrestler of the 2010s, yeah, there's one name that comes to my mind. [UNKNOWN]: Is it Kevinstein? [UNKNOWN]: No, it's Elginerica. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, he went the other way! [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: No, doubly fans have turned on them now, though. [UNKNOWN]: Have you not heard? [UNKNOWN]: They hate him. [UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't care. [UNKNOWN]: It's so funny they've turned on Elginarico. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, yeah, that's fucking hilarious.

58:38[UNKNOWN]: That's where we both went, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But um, yeah, like to me, like those that 2010s era is defined by Elginarico into Sami Zayn. [UNKNOWN]: It is like, um, [UNKNOWN]: the the peak a guy a true like world travel world beater goes to every country goes to DDT has fucking amazing matches as a top guy there and spies can't get a cash to the fucking get in the business like and then obviously any fucking indie in the US or in Europe he'll just be there having the best match on the card and again all-time baby faces

59:19[UNKNOWN]: There's not even talking about any of his debris stuff, which is also great, you know? [UNKNOWN]: He single-handedly saved a bloodline. [UNKNOWN]: Like, single-handedly. [UNKNOWN]: That was a dead-in-the-water, J.U. [UNKNOWN]: So freakin' Peter Wankfest, and Sami Zane brought real feeling to that story. [UNKNOWN]: And like, he was not the beneficiary of it, Cody Rhodes was, but if he was for Sami, there was nothing for Cody to beat in Roman reign. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I did the story given their destiny to do this forever. [UNKNOWN]: Let's let's put them together. [UNKNOWN]: Let's put steam Yeah, let's put them.

59:51[UNKNOWN]: I mean listen Kevin steam was my favorite wrestler growing up. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah Like Ellie I'm being a huge PWG guy and a huge ROH guy of that era He was the guy that like first got me interested in watching ROH he was the guy that made me get invested the guy that made me go. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what's PWG as I want to see this guy [UNKNOWN]: And like the fact that like obviously like he has the the tag stuff. [UNKNOWN]: He has the young stuff when he's in PWG and he's awesome. [UNKNOWN]: And the CZW stuff and then he goes into ROH and PWG where he's like the staple guy, the ace of those promotions for a few years.

1:00:28[UNKNOWN]: Goes to the debris and against all fucking odds becomes a huge star there. [UNKNOWN]: He has Steve Austin's last fucking match. [UNKNOWN]: Just a fucking stick in punk space. [UNKNOWN]: Like it's fucking insane. [UNKNOWN]: Yep, and also just it's long forgotten given he's been in W. So it's a long the best small room wrestler ever There has never been a better small room wrestler him wrestling in front of like 800 people is just amazing. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean and the guy who's like been able to adapt and change to hmm, I don't know it's like he's been a charisma guy He's been a brawler.

1:01:00[UNKNOWN]: He's been a fly and he's just kind of fucking down at all [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yes, I think it's time we address an elephant in the room. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah a big CM punk Shaped element an elephant in the room. [UNKNOWN]: He can be further down. [UNKNOWN]: Oh

1:01:15[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay. [UNKNOWN]: There is a number of names, a number of names I would put. [UNKNOWN]: I don't like punk. [UNKNOWN]: I've never been a punk guy. [UNKNOWN]: Like, and this isn't just like a reaction to recent punk. [UNKNOWN]: In like 20-11, I was never a punk. [UNKNOWN]: In like the straightest society I was never a punk guy. [UNKNOWN]: In his big world, Tyler run, I was never a punk guy. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't grow up and ring a boner, so I didn't watch that in a real time. [UNKNOWN]: But like, all like, I prefer Joe Mo when they were feuding on ECW. [UNKNOWN]: You know, all through CM Fun's career, I was never a punk guy.

1:01:47[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like the wrong guy to ever rate punk, because he's always like a good upper mid-carot hand in my mind, that's where I rank him. [UNKNOWN]: Well, I will fight for him a little more later on, but like, he's top 50. [UNKNOWN]: I'll allow him top 50, but if you're gonna be like, would you put punk here or koda bushy? [UNKNOWN]: You get koda bushy on this fucking list. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I also think a little early for Carda. [UNKNOWN]: But, damn her John Moxley, get John Moxley. [UNKNOWN]: You want Kurt Angle over C.M.

1:02:18[UNKNOWN]: Punk how, though. [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I'll throw it right away. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, Kurt Angle, f**k it. [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: Well, um, how about... Katziori Shabbada? [UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, fully on board. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's Jackass here's your butter. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, the wrestler. [UNKNOWN]: My man. [UNKNOWN]: Um, I get like I don't think he's obviously not the rest of that he was But like I don't give a fuck Yeah, like I still get to see you got to your shabada come out and wrestle and it guys did it in there did it

1:02:49[UNKNOWN]: Like I still get that and that's good enough for me Yeah, and also you know that in this prime when he's coolist he's the wrestler he embodies that it every way And also like the most poetic ending of like he's run to be in a match where he flew to close to the fucking son as pro wrestling's Icarus does yes, he lost his brain. [UNKNOWN]: I think he legitimately like is pro wrestling's a gross. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I see it. [UNKNOWN]: I see the vision [UNKNOWN]: Um, but like to go back to Ishi, if there's ever a match that I'm gonna show someone who isn't interesting It's gonna be Ishi and Tom.

1:03:24[UNKNOWN]: That's our Ishi and Tabata kicking the fuck out of each other in the G1. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this and I have names I can throw out I mean, yeah, I've been doing it. [UNKNOWN]: You can throw some out more say these more names [UNKNOWN]: That's fun. [UNKNOWN]: I was gonna save her a little bit, but yeah, yeah, I'm totally fine with having her here Just like at the moment seeing her do that moral tour of winning and dropping those belts It's like oh, there's just no one doing it like her like that's a that's a level of stardom That you just don't get away and then you're like you watch your top matches She's like carried that women's division.

1:03:56[UNKNOWN]: She has the matches with Josh She has the WrestleMania main event with Bianca then she's easy [UNKNOWN]: She was such a good wrestle that she made to ever forget they were sexist for me. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, and they've gone back to being sexist, you know, she left. [UNKNOWN]: So, it's crazy. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that she has this rod, where she feels like a star on like anybody else. [UNKNOWN]: Perfectly to her doing it like the one else. [UNKNOWN]: All right, she is, again, my pick for greatest women's wrestle in the U.S. [UNKNOWN]: There'll be the other one that we took great later. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, um, I have two that like I have to keep fighting up to mention so we might as well mention Yes, let's talk about Vader and sting.

1:04:32[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because like when we were in the big boy block with like the Walter and Stan Hanson's like should we make a whole block and just put Vader there too? [UNKNOWN]: I just, the thing is about Vader is, I love him. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he, again, like, in a world where I'm watching, like, Japanese big men, I'm gonna go to Hans in first. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna go to Steve Williams first. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna go to Terry Gordy first. [UNKNOWN]: But like the thing that they that he has that they darn is he was also a giant star in America.

1:05:03[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and had awesome matches too. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And like again, like delivered great matches in America at the same time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You also mugged will all spray that one time. [UNKNOWN]: It was so funny. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the most worked into a shoot there has ever been. [UNKNOWN]: Nah, I don't think anyone is mad at Vader being in a top 50 greatest wrestlers, let's be real, if you are, I think you're kind of dumb, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And same with Sting? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let me tell you, if Sting didn't have the AW run, he would not be up this high for me. [UNKNOWN]: I would respect that, yeah.

1:05:34[UNKNOWN]: but like he is so firmly drilled into my conscious now that it's like I kind of hate this comparison because it's like the boring default one but like he is now my undertaker yes like in my head when I think of like the pro wrestling legend it's sting yeah to me now and like part of that is growing up like a teenager and like seeing him in that role but like I don't know there's something about like [UNKNOWN]: Tony Khan just did sting right man.

1:06:04[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Follow all of like Tony Khan's problems as a book. [UNKNOWN]: He did sting correct. [UNKNOWN]: And I think that that's the reason you see like a Chris Jericho be like, where should I retire? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, sting real good over there. [UNKNOWN]: Not a lot of guys, not so good over there. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and things things like the ultimate vibes pick as well because like he's probably in terms of like pure quality of matches or quantity of quality matches I guess he's probably a lot lower than like a lot of the names were mentioned after him, but he's just he's sting [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have some, we have so many more spaces, so I don't need to be feel like I have to bust them out yet.

1:06:38[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a lot of people that I'm fine with being in like the 60 to 100 zone. [UNKNOWN]: Would you like a name? [UNKNOWN]: Sure. [UNKNOWN]: Zach Saber Jr. You know, that's really funny. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The name I was thinking of was Prince David. [UNKNOWN]: That's yeah, but like the other thing with like Prince David, I think like the last 10 years haven't been so kind to him, but like as we have talked about on rain takers, it's like if I have to like pick a like most influential and important wrestler of like the last 20 years, it's probably Prince David, yep, and that is very much like on that same wave length now because like he was the guy who got me into European wrestling.

1:07:19[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was the guy that made me seek out a progress. [UNKNOWN]: He was one of the guys that made me seek out Japanese wrestling because I would watch some of his Noah stuff. [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, this is random English guy in Japan. [UNKNOWN]: What's he doing? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like Zach and David were both like two of the most like pivotal wrestlers to me growing up. [UNKNOWN]: That like broke me out of like the bubble. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I think Zach has better quality work. [UNKNOWN]: I think Zack wins based on on the back half, but it's like, David was so important. [UNKNOWN]: He was important, but then he disappeared off the face of the earth.

1:07:50[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: We'll go Zack. [UNKNOWN]: Can I be a little crazy? [UNKNOWN]: I was going to be a little crazy, but all that should be crazy first. [UNKNOWN]: Well, with the establishment, is it crazy if I'm put a zag above sting? [UNKNOWN]: I'm okay with that. [UNKNOWN]: Like I don't I don't think I put him above Vader. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, but Zach above sting like Vader sting Zach Devot is a very funny line It is. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so like I think I'm okay doing that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it breaks it up a little bit, you know You want to be a little crazy raw trick strong

1:08:21[UNKNOWN]: legitimately, that was my next pick. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's fun. [UNKNOWN]: Like, um, maybe the best wrestler like because he came out of a scene in which I think if you were to ask a Rate him relative to his peers in 2005 he would be like a 15 below even though he probably was like a jay leaf at the time Like and below Joe below Daniels and below areas below the briskos, you're like, but he's like probably 15 below Jack Evans [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And as you see that develop over the 20 years after that, he's like, he just steadily rolls above all of those guys.

1:08:54[UNKNOWN]: And the thing is about, I am someone who is willing to give a lot of credit to being the best wrestler in a year. [UNKNOWN]: And there is no one better in wrestling in 2015 than Rotor. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: When he is doing the heel, PWG stick as the world champion. [UNKNOWN]: And he's got like all the

1:09:12[UNKNOWN]: I truly don't think there's a better restaurant in 2015 than Roderick's strong, and still so there's a day. [UNKNOWN]: It's so funny that we both were there, right? [UNKNOWN]: You watch that dude on AEW TV and he still pops better than like 67% of the roster. [UNKNOWN]: Has something like, it hits me, is I'm just like, like, holy shit. [UNKNOWN]: Like, every time I count him out, you know, he just fucking comes back and he's still fucking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: He might end up being like this generation's mysterious in that way of consistency. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Um, one that I keep like my eyes keep doubting to every time I open the sheet and that we haven't talked about yet as L.A. Park.

1:09:44[UNKNOWN]: Hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Obviously like one of the biggest stars in Mexico. [UNKNOWN]: Um, in AAA, left AAA, went back to AAA, had fucking gigantic programs with the other parker. [UNKNOWN]: Then went to see him L.A., told Dr. Wagner to go fuck himself, got fired. [UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Drew a shit ton of money teasing a match that will never happen with Roosh. [UNKNOWN]: Um, every time you see him like, [UNKNOWN]: And like the thing about two has like match quality in the like the lucha brawl stuff too and has match quality in like when he is like more of a character and like as doing like more traditional lucha as well.

1:10:18[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And again, also one of the coolest wrestlers of all time. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: You're okay with L.A. Pocket 38. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, sir. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm gonna look through my list now. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Because I have three categories, ma. [UNKNOWN]: Mm. [UNKNOWN]: of like people who I have put in green is like must be in like top 50 and then people who are bolder than I tell a size for people who I am fine with low and then like people who are neither. [UNKNOWN]: And I still got a few on that list on the first one. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So who are the must be in top 50s that you don't have? [UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me, let me, let me rattle them off to you and we'll start talking about them.

1:10:50[UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: The briskos. [UNKNOWN]: The young bucks. [UNKNOWN]: Daisuke Sekamoto. [UNKNOWN]: Ooh. [UNKNOWN]: Go Shiazaki. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yuji Okabe Yaashi. [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm. [UNKNOWN]: Bobby Eaton. [UNKNOWN]: Ooh. [UNKNOWN]: I'll leave that one to last. [UNKNOWN]: Uh, Yoshihira Takiyama. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, a Kira Tauai, hmm, he probably can just go now to be honest. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we can throw Tauai in with this. [UNKNOWN]: He didn't get in and, and, um, a pillar corner. [UNKNOWN]: We can throw them in now. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Also, but it's funny because he's actually my second favorite pillow. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But like, it's just when I'm making this list, he's not like, where my mind goes.

1:11:22[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then my last one, which I'm happy with in big fifth. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: But Izumaga. [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, okay, okay. [UNKNOWN]: I think we could do a little tag team corner here first with the brisk goes in the box. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so who's the best tag team of all time? [UNKNOWN]: T- All right. [UNKNOWN]: Mark, then Nick, then Jay, then Matt. [UNKNOWN]: That is sad to start racking. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know what, I'm fine with it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I'll split the difference. [UNKNOWN]: The other people splitting up the Jackson's.

1:11:54[UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So like we talked about it today about how we kind of think Mark has now surpassed Jay. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Just based on like AW work. [UNKNOWN]: Because like before at the AW stuff I would have put Jay ahead.

1:12:09[UNKNOWN]: But like Mark's just, unfortunately he just has more time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And he's still amazing. [UNKNOWN]: And he's still having like some of the best matches on the AW pay reviews, you know? [UNKNOWN]: and then you just get the whole body of work with the briskos. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then you get the whole body of the briskos of like the again, them like maybe the most authentic tag team of all time.