I Don’t Need AI in My Toothbrush

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1:06Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David. We've got a little bit to talk about this week. The first week is September, and I kind of think of it as like a ramp. Like we're going to ramp up into way more stuff in September. But we still have a good amount. We're going to talk a little bit more about engaged views and how our opinions might have changed about that since last week. Some thoughts on this whole GoPro situation, a new Google Find Hub feature that's actually useful, and a Dyson toothbrush that might not be as useful.

1:38And then at the end, we're going to end with a little bit of a show and tell, which should be a good time. Mine's in a briefcase, by the way. I just want you guys to know that. Mine kind of is in a briefcase, too. Yeah, it'll be good. Nice. Where can I find a briefcase? It came with the thing I bought, actually. We'll get there. Okay. But first, did they even test this? Do we have any? Can I go again? Yes, of course. This is turning into YouTube is screwing with Andrew. I cannot assume anything else is going wrong other than they are personally attacking me.

2:08But I've showed you all this for whatever reason in my YouTube app right now. And I have closed the app. I've restarted my phone. I've done all the things you were supposed to do. But anytime you click on a video, it is now in half dark mode, half light mode, where all of the video and description and comments are in dark mode, but all of the recommended are in light mode underneath. Is your system... And even when I close it... Your whole system's in light mode. My whole system is in light mode. And like, this is the homepage of YouTube, right?

2:40It's in total light mode. Then I click on a long-form video. And now the comments are dark mode. And then the related videos underneath that are still light mode. Your YouTube app's... I've never seen that stuff. That's so strange. You have some weird feature flags going on in your YouTube, bro. I have to only assume that someone's screwing with me at this point. They're like, I bet I could get Andrew to mention this on the podcast next week. Yeah. You're welcome. I did. I really would love if there's like an internal YouTube leaderboard for how many times you

3:11could get Andrew to shout out your product. I don't know if it's shouting out in the, did they even test this feature? No bad press, man. No bad press. That's what they say, you know? You're talking about YouTube every single day. That's true. Well, we're going to keep talking about YouTube.

Engaged views on YouTube

3:23That's right.

Engaged views on YouTube

3:24Yeah. Okay. So remember last week, we went over... I presented some numbers for you guys with video. I said, you should guess the difference between engaged views and publicly counted views of a recently uploaded MKBHD video. And do you remember what happened last week? It was like... 40k off. Like a million and a half view video had like a 40,000 view difference between public and engaged. Yeah. I present to you the same video five days later. Okay. What do you think the difference now is between publicly counted views and engaged views?

3:54Ooh. Is it closer to the like 40% difference that I was forecasting before? I brought in different numbers. And based on those numbers, can you tell me what the engaged views are? The engaged views are 3.2 million. I'm guessing five. The public views are 4.6 million. So the same video has sort of diverged. We came away from that first thinking, oh, it's actually not as bad as we thought. We thought maybe it was going to be plus 50%, but it turns out it's only like maybe a 2%

4:26difference. But now it's that particular video. What I'm guessing happens is when it first shows to your audience, it's not that big of a difference because it's not getting shown publicly or recommended as much. And so there aren't people just like skimming for one second and leaving. But over time, more and more people will do that on a video that gets lots of impressions. And so now the difference is plus 1.4 million views on this video. And I've started to see a lot. We've seen this across our channels now.

4:56We saw this on the last podcast episode. What were you saying, Adam? The last... Well, I have it. The last clip posted yesterday. Yeah. I haven't seen that. The last clip posted yesterday was a one of 10. And I was like, oh man, it's really crushing. Yeah. And then I remembered all of the new news. So this one right now is at 127K. The most... The third other one, like number three on the list, is 77K. That was the last number one. I have the metrics for my last podcast episode, which to be fair, it was a banger.

5:27The thumbnail had a Samsung, Google, and Apple product in it, which like four waveform gadgets and thumbnails... Should pop. Yeah, should pop. It was a one out of 10. Which was expected. I was like, if any of them are going to be one of 10, it's going to be this one. Agreed. Until next week.

5:44So it has, at the time of recording, 496,000 live views, 250,000 engaged views. So it is double. That's crazy. If you were just going by engaged views, it would be a three out of 10. Instead, it's a one out of 10 by 2X. Don't tell the sponsors. Depending on your upload cadence as a YouTuber, your next nine uploads will all be slightly confusing until you dig in a little bit. I was thinking about this and it's like, there's just like 10 uploads. A couple of weeks, you'll be done. Michael Reeves is going to be 65 by the time his is finally finished in his last 10 and

6:18changing. I saw a few YouTubers this week that were posting like celebratory posts of like, oh my God, I feel so grateful. I can't believe this video did so well. But I was like, ooh, who's going to tell him? Who's going to tell him? My theory though, yours was that it comes early and doesn't start getting recommended later. Diverges. At least with this video, it started diverging after like 24 hours. So based on last week's pod, my theory is that it actually just took longer than 24 hours to really roll out the new stuff.

6:48Because when you released that video, it was on the first day it was supposed to go live. And we saw very little difference. But then Friday, like two or three days after, I think, when we released the pod from the get go, it was just one out of 10 skyrocketing. Okay. I have an alternative theory. Okay. I think that there are some channels where the audience that always watches the video as soon as it comes out, if there's more people that are like that, the views will not be as divergent immediately. Yeah. But as YouTube just starts putting those videos on people's homepages, like across

7:22YouTube, that's when they start to diverge. And I think your, your main channel is going to have more of that. That's a fair point. But things like waveform or to Adam's waveform clips, waveform clips is something people kind of like tune into occasionally and then they leave and maybe it'll surface on their homepage, but they don't necessarily always watch it. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. Different types of videos. Still, we will continue to keep a finger on the pulse of this, but it's like different types of videos, different types of channels. My theory from like weeks ago was that this iPhone fold impressions video is probably going

7:54to be the most viewed video in 24 hours of our channel's history. Maybe competing with the PS5. And yeah. Yeah. I think as of right now, the Vision Pro like first review I did and the PlayStation 5 unboxing are the top two. I think those both had like a million views in an hour and then like close to 9 million views in 24 hours. Before viewflation. Before viewflation. Back in our day. Back in the good old days. Yeah. So we'll see. I have one more gripe about this.

8:24Yeah. So a lot of the public statements from YouTube to creators was like, guys, everything's going to be exactly the same as you've always had it. Don't worry. This is just public facing. You have engaged views. That's still what you're getting paid on. That's still what getting into the partnership program is going to be. Don't worry. Everything's the same. Inside the dashboard, it still just shows us the new public views. So now in order to see exactly what we were seeing before, you have to go to YouTube studios, click analytics, click advanced mode.

8:56Then in a dropdown menu, select engage views because it's not even defaulted on to then now compare engage views to live views. So the dashboard is pretty much useless at this point. It is just a bunch of fake views showing, yeah, charts are completely insane. Charts on older videos are funny because you can see it. You can see the bump when the new views kicked in. Whoa. Because that's a weird chart. You'd never see a chart on videos like that, but now you can see it. So the dashboard, the easy to look at, just get an idea of how a channel is doing in

9:28the last 28 days. Obviously right now is really weird because halfway through that it changed. But like, it's still strange to see a, first of all, a views that are crazy, which always shows it like you're doing better or worse than within the last year. So for the next year, it's going to compare it to the month previously and be like, holy cow, you're killing it. It's your best March ever. It's your best April ever. And then our revenue is going to be by that looking like half of what it generally is, or it's going to look the same of what it's been. Same revenue, but the views. With the views being double.

9:59So looking like it's getting paid really. What's funny too, is yesterday I was looking at some of the numbers on Waveform Clips channel. I'm just like going through, you know, digging through analytics as you do. And I was like, you know what? Let me just ask the AI to see what it thinks. So I asked the YouTube AI, it's in the creator. And I'm like, Hey, uh, can you summarize the last like 12 months of this channel? Let me know any trends, whatever, blah, blah, just let's see what it says. And in that answer that it gave me, there's a disclaimer at the end where it's like, just so you know, YouTube changed how views work. So everything from this point forward is not going to mean shit.

10:32It like gave me its own disclaimer about how to think about views, which was really interesting. That's actually surprising. Yeah, to be fair, the views in the dashboard has the little like exclamation warning sign. And when you hover it, it says that, but it still just doesn't feel useful as a creator when all of these things I can add a new box that says live views, engage views. I think it's like CTR and revenue. Like, give me something there because that's the dashboard advances when I really want to dive in. Now, just to see the regular stuff I was used to seeing, I'm five to six clicks deep, which

11:06is really annoying. Yeah. Let's just tell all the sponsors that we doubled our views this year and they should pay us more money. Mm-hmm. I think that's the only logical. Yeah. We have one more across the channel. This is the last, like, however long this has been on, engaged views for the last month, 32 million. Total views, 42 million. For 10 million. Wait, and it's been one week. It's been a week. And it's added 10 million extra views. So, yeah. That just means that you have good impressions.

11:36Buckle up. It does mean if you have a large back catalog that your, this number will be high for your channel. Yeah. I think. Yeah. Yeah, true. At least one that keeps getting views. I think tech shouldn't get as many views because old tech videos probably don't. Yeah. Service as much. But anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It's all happening.

The Markiplier GoPro situation

11:54All right. Speaking of YouTube. Yeah. This is kind of YouTube related, or at least it has to do with the YouTuber, which was the Markiplier slash GoPro situation that's unfolded over the last couple of days on our timelines and on our feeds and has a lot going on to it. We never make situation is crazy videos because we're not drama farmers. We try not to be drama farmers. However. Okay. This has to do with a product we've talked about before. Yeah. Cinema cameras, which we love.

12:25Yeah. And a YouTuber that I have, I don't watch him, but I have no issues with him. Yeah. This is, and it's specifically something happened that's very similar to stuff that happens to us all of the time. Listen, we need no explanation because in the Philip DeFranco video, Marquez is in the thumbnail, so we can talk about it. Yeah. Just because Marquez left a thread in his comment. I commented once, and I am now the face of the reply. Yeah. Yeah. I guess you better double down then. Yeah. Do not. Okay. Let's first start with what actually happened, and then we can give our takes.

12:55Sure. So, GoPro, I don't know how much you guys have followed stock prices. I personally don't very much, but if you think about GoPro as a company for the last decade, what do you think of? Oh, Hero 6, Hero 7, Hero 8. They've been making this camera over and over, getting slightly better, slightly better, but generally their lunch has been starting to get eaten by the DJIs and Insta360s of the world, and if you look at their stock price for the past 10 years or so, it's been trending downward for a long time. It's been cratering downward.

13:25It's kind of flatlining. If it was a ski slope, the footage from the GoPro would look down. It would look sick. Incredible. Yeah. It'd be a bunny slope. That is good. That is good. Yeah. So, that's just kind of the background noise about GoPro, and then there's this headline, I don't remember, two days ago, whatever it was, that, oh, Markiplier, the YouTuber you guys all know, one of the biggest creators ever, just became one of the largest individual shareholders of the entire company of GoPro. Everyone went, whoa. Wow. Yeah. Okay. What does he know? 8.5%.

13:55Yeah. Pretty big headline. There was an article that came out. It was an interview with him. So, that gets surfaced. A whole bunch of people parrot that headline and sort of go, wow, he's really invested in GoPro suddenly. That news gets out. The stock price bumps quite a bit, probably by like 150% in one day on that news. Doesn't necessarily mean much because it's essentially a penny stock at this point, but it is a multiple of what it was. And then- I think even just where you are there, those two headlines make everything seem really intense. Like, biggest investor in GoPro ever.

14:26Gets unveiled. 8% though. It's not like he's not a majority stakeholder. Sure, but in a company as big as GoPro, it's kind of shocking that a YouTuber is suddenly the biggest individual shareholder. My first thought with that is, GoPro's in a really bad spot if YouTuber is now the highest Yeah, but he's also like- He's got a lot of money. He's very, very famous. He's a very successful YouTuber, filmmaker, et cetera. Yeah. He made a very successful movie recently. Yeah. Yeah. It's still GoPro, gigantic company we think of. Yeah.

14:57YouTuber, yeah. Also, just to add to this timeline, just right before all this news came out that he acquired 8.5% of the company, he put out a comparison video between the GoPro Hero ILS, which is- Mission ILS. Mission ILS, not Hero, sorry. We've talked a lot about this interchangeable lens system GoPro. Seems really cool. Seems really like a good camera. We've been excited about it. He put out like a comparison video that was that versus a red- The red Komodo. Komodo.

15:28Or no, it wasn't a Komodo. It was a Komodo. It was, yeah. It was a Komodo? Oh. Okay. Yeah. And it was a little confusing because he said it was a sponsored review. I'll get to that. The oxymoron. Yeah. You can't- I mean, look, he's not generally a reviewer, so I will give him a pass for not really understanding it. You can't really call something a sponsored review because it's kind of an oxymoron. But I'll give- he's not a reviewer, so I'll give him a pass for that. But he does do a video- But he does do a video. Before the news, reviewing slash talking about this GoPro.

15:59Yes. And in our world, sponsored and reviewed, like David said, is just like big old no-no. That just never happened. That's the part that I have thoughts on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll get to that. So that happened before the Bloomberg article, which announced that he had now owned 8.5% of the GoPro. Yeah. So the news comes out. Holy crap. Markiplier is so invested in GoPro. We must really believe in the company. Maybe he knows something. I don't really know. So the next day, there's this huge announcement that there's a merger acquisition type of deal that's happening where GoPro is merging with this company that is going to use that technology

16:30for a whole bunch of other stuff down the road. I think it was this like $280 million acquisition or something crazy like that. Yeah. Can we say the other stuff? Because I think that's where a lot of people are. Yeah. What did they say? AI, defense, et cetera. Defense, government, robotics. One of them is in Woodman's email to the company. He says, they're very strategically positioned in the AI infrastructure industry as an up-and-coming U.S. manufacturer of optical transceivers that we believe will bring in meaningful high margin revenue. Everyone assumes that to be Flock camera adjacent.

17:01Yeah. I read that as, oh, GoPro, their price is really low right now. Their expertise is tiny cameras and optics. We can do something with that. That's why we'll buy them. Markiplier makes a stream. Actually, he talks to Philip DeFranco in his video, and then he goes on a stream explaining, this looks a lot like insider trading. I did not know this was going to happen. So he makes it very clear he did not know that that acquisition was coming. He'd been acquiring shares for months and months and months before this, and then the news comes out, and then one day later, this extra news about the acquisition comes

17:33out. So I totally give him the benefit of the doubt on just what he's saying at face value. And even a step into that, it was like his SEC filing was August 20th, which is then another week posted on GoPro's thing, which is then when the interview reaches out to him, and it just gets posted a week later, happens to be a day before the merger happens. Which I can relate to. Typically, I've done interviews where I'm like, this will come out tomorrow, right? And then it's two weeks later. I'm like, oh, okay, I forgot I did that. So all of that is the background noise. So the one public thing that I said about this was on threads, which was basically I

18:10said, I'll just read what I wrote. This is not a line I see crossed often, but to each their own. And it was just reminding me of what you brought up, David, which is that when we in the Waveform Studio, see the word review on a video, that means something very specific to us. Yeah. And as reviewers who do lots of reviews, it's kind of funny. He made this joke in the beginning of his video, like, I'm coming for you, tech reviewers. I'm in your house now. It was a joke that he was making, but it's like, all right, welcome to that arena, Mark. There's a lot of baggage that comes with being in the arena of tech reviews and journalism,

18:47et cetera. Leave while you can. So that video that he made, he called it a review and he compared it pretty earnestly to the Red Komodo. Had a lot of nice things to say. And we can even take all of his words in that video at face value, that he really believes in it. He thinks that footage is better. It does higher frame rates of slow motion, et cetera, et cetera. Great tool. Really believes in it. He says somewhere in the first, like, two minutes of that video that this video is sponsored by GoPro. He later, on the Philip DeFranco interview, explains that that individual video wasn't

19:19actually necessarily sponsored by GoPro, but he just wanted a way to explain that he had some financial incentive to make this video. Which I probably would have just said I own 8.5% of the company. So that's tricky. I have his response when you... Okay, great. I think, so in the US, we have all these, we have the FTC, we have all these rules that you have to, you know, explicitly in the first few seconds or a minute of the video, disclose when a video is sponsored, verbally and on screen. So there's a box you can check in YouTube behind the scenes and all that.

19:51And he decided that that was his way of doing that. I think you should just say that you're an investor in the company if you are. I think a sponsored video is a slightly different relationship to that company than an investment of that magnitude in that company. So that's why I said, because Mark said in response to Philip DeFranco, I don't really know what line I cross. I don't know what Marquez is talking about. That's the line that I think was strangely crossed when you typically don't see in the tech review space somebody doing a sponsored video with a relationship to the company and

20:24calling it a review because we have this relationship with the word review, which to be fair, not everybody thinks about the word review that way. I see this all the time. I'll make an impressions video of the new phone that comes out. People go, oh, nice review. In my head, I'm like, no, no, this is not the review. But in the spectrum of the way people think about tech videos, if all the way on one side is schooled, trained journalist and all the way on the other side is someone who's never done this before and is just making their first video.

20:56I think tech reviewers sit pretty close, but distinctly different from journalism. And we get torn apart for the difference between us and journalism all the time. But there are lots of viewers and lots of people all over the spectrum that have their line in the sand in a different place. Markiplier, I'm wearing his merch right now. I literally watch his videos. I think he's a great guy, great creator. He's made that film we all love. He is nowhere near that end of the spectrum. He is over here and he's using the word review or comparison willy-nilly.

21:28That's why I think that's a line that I typically don't see cross. That's my problem. Well, what's funny is I think outside of the tech world, that line gets crossed all the time. I do. I'm sure there are people who use the term review reviewing other products that I'm sure do it all of the time. Even in the tech world, I see it now because we have what we think of as tech review videos, which is like long form YouTube videos. There's now like TikTok creators, there's now like Instagram reels and YouTube shorts and people will do what they would call a review and it's sponsored all the time. And I see that on my feed and I'm like, what?

22:00Yeah. Yeah. That was something we could do. The word review kind of took on a colloquial meaning within our sphere of understanding. And I think that probably people who were early to watching and consuming tech videos also understood that the word review meant it was unsponsored, unpaid for, unbiased to the extent that you can be unbiased. You know, the actual word review means like that you're evaluating something or judging its quality. You would hope that if you're judging its quality, there's no influence in what that

22:30quality is. And if there is, it should be disclosed. And yeah. Or if there's the potential, I would say I still the majority of the times I see people doing sponsored things and then giving opinions like I usually actually believe them, but there needs to be the disclosure. So if someone wants to take that piece with a grain of salt because there is a transaction going on, it should be in there. Yeah. Yeah. You need to give the audience the ability to make their own decision about. And then you trust the creator as you will. This is another reason why I think I'm considering making, it was like I looked up like six years

23:03ago, we made a Can You Trust MKBHD video in which I outlined all of my essential, like guidelines for understanding our relationship with companies and how we make these videos. And I think I might do like an updated version of this because there's so many like smaller lines in the sand now that people can get stuck on or totally accept. Like Mark's video, he had a affiliate link in the video. I think it was labeled properly, but it's an affiliate link. Some people hate that. All the way on the journalism side, that's a complete no-no.

23:35No affiliate links at all. And then if you further yourself from that line, it's like, oh yeah, there's an affiliate link. Obviously, if you want to buy the product, check it out. It supports me. I see that from YouTubers all the time. So that's a small line in the sand people like to talk about. So there's all kinds of smaller access. The access that you get if you're in the first wave of coverage of a product versus out of it. If you benefit from that access, should your coverage be less valid or less valuable? Kind of depends. There's a whole bunch of other flags there.

24:07It all depends on the way you think of the word review. I think that's a great idea for an updated video because the audience has become more privy to the way that things work too. And a lot of people have called out very valid things like access, to your point. Even though we get devices in and then we evaluate them and then we either send them back or whatever, people not spending your own money on a thing is an implicit change in the way that you think about a thing.

24:38I think there's a lot of really good responses to that too, specifically. I think there's a clip from Mr. Mobile showed up where he's like, you might think that I get a box with a free phone in it that shows up at my desk and I get, oh, I'm really excited. I better make a nice positive video. But when that box shows up, it might as well just say work on the screen.

25:00I've been doing this a long time. I think that when people watch videos like this, they put themselves in the shoe of the reviewer, which makes a lot of sense. I would do that if I was watching a video. If I was reading a restaurant review, I would put myself in the shoes of the person who's writing that review, maybe who had a reservation that got delayed or something, I'd be mad. So you put yourself in the shoes of the reviewer and you go, oh, they got the computer for free. If I got the computer for free, I would feel a certain way about that. I might not always, I might feel pressure to say nice things. But I think there's an extra layer of, well, they're professional.

25:33They've been doing this for a long time. If you do a good job as a reviewer, that does not have any effect on what you're saying. But not everybody thinks about it that way. There's also has no effect. And then there's like, there is like implicit effect that you can't even really understand. I don't know, like shelling out $1,200 actual dollars for a thing is like, if you had to do that and then review a product, you probably would think a little bit differently about it. Quick addendum. Like most of these things that we get for free, we send back.

26:05Yeah. That's something not a lot of people think. Most people do not think that. It's not like it becomes our property. Like most of the time there's a legal thing that states that this is still a company's property. We're just, you know, holding it. Yeah. Yeah. It's logged in a database somewhere. And then they ask for it back. That's another line in the sand. Not everybody discloses that. That's one of the things every single time I review a product that was provided by the company, I have a line in the description of the video that says who the product came from. Yeah. No one has to do that. Nobody told us.

26:36That's just a random line in the sand. Some people want to know. So that's another quick aside. Yeah. I think this video is a good idea because I've had not a ton of people, but more than three people ask me this week. What do you do with all this stuff? No. Everyone always asks that. What are the new iPhones like? You guys have them in the studio. Oh, yeah. I do get that. Well, to be fair, Apple is- We don't. I know, but Apple is like the only company that doesn't seed stuff out early. Every single other company does give us stuff like a week early. Apple, we don't, so you guys know, we don't know anything actually about these phones

27:11until the entire world knows about them. This is why- Everything we know, you know, because we talk about it here. Because we talk about it every week. This is why the iPhone impressions videos and first look videos hit so hard is because that's actually everyone's first impressions of it and a first unveiling. They do their best not to get leaked like everybody else, but literally every other tech company who has something out, they have a program, they have pre-seeded devices so that people who really want to evaluate it can spend meaningful time with it, cameras especially. Like, if I get a camera five days before it's like time to publish the video, I need to

27:45go somewhere, take pictures, a whole bunch of comes with that. So people send camera viewers stuff for weeks and months, which makes a lot of sense. It might take me one or two weeks to review a phone and take it places and burn through battery and see what it's good at. That's typical. Apple is like the only company that doesn't do that for anything. They do eventually have a review embargo. Like, we get devices before the public can purchase them, but we don't know anything about them until everyone else in the world knows everything about them. Yeah. So, yeah, we will not know anything about these iPhones until you guys do next week. How many people have actually texted you about this?

28:16Because I've had two so far. You've had three. Oh, really? I just got done dropping my phone off at service and the service guy was like, so, uh, how about that new gold? He probably knows more than you do. He's been reading the articles. People at Best Buy see this before we do. He's been reading the articles. You know, that's, that's a totally, people wonder about these things. I mean, I was in Portugal a few weeks ago and someone was like, so like you guys, like, of course you, you say better things about the companies that pay you more. Right. And I was just like, what are you talking about? Yeah. Why do you think this is the case?

28:47Well, the reason they think that is because there are reviewers who's lying in the sand is in a totally different place that just do that. They call themselves a reviewer or they're not. Yeah. And I'm, I'm willing to start beef on that, on that end. I think I, I think this video, whenever that, whenever I make this video, it's going to really lean on that, uh, line in the sand. Yeah. It's just an analogy slash visual because it's everyone, literally every single reviewer puts their line in a different place. And a lot of people who call themselves journalists, there's, there's almost like a invisible code where everyone knows exactly what we do and what we don't do as a journalist.

29:18And that's great. But it's like it outside of that, there is a huge spectrum of, oh yeah, I'll just do a sponsored review, whatever. People just do it. There's a reason the, the annual Qualcomm information keynote thing is in Hawaii. You know, it's not, it's not subtle. Yeah. Nobody would go otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think this is what's confusing because when there were only like three publications, like newspapers covering tech at all, you know, it was like Walt Mossberg at the Wall Street Journal. It was like there were two or three people in total that were covering technology.

29:50Right. They basically all had all the same standards and the same line in the sand. But as the world of technology has gotten like diffused into all these different media outlets and different types of media and then influence, like influencers were not a thing that existed back then. Yeah. Now go to this event and there will be mostly influencers. And what people mostly see is content from influencers because there are way more influencers than there are Wall Street journals. Right. And so what they see on their phone is going to be the lines in the sand that most of the

30:21influencers draw, which are all different. It also depends legally where they're from. Like the U.S. has very different rules than Europe, has different rules in Canada than South America. Like there's a lot. Yeah. We've noticed that in sponsored. We'll see a sponsored campaign where a creator from the U.S. discloses in the first minute and a creator from Canada just doesn't. Yeah. And you're like, oh, right. That's because it's different. Right. Totally. Totally. They don't have to. Yeah. So, yeah, the lines in the sand get drawn by government sometimes, too. Sorry, not to Tom Scott out, but I do think it's really funny that if we were to release

30:52or not us, because we don't take any money from it, but a hypothetical creator were to release their reviews in a movie theater, they would not need to disclose anything. It would just be like in the credits at the end. Like, I don't even think they would need to do it. I'm pretty sure in Tom Scott's video is like it's after all of the people who worked on the movie. There's like a couple paragraphs of like some of the like Pepsi sponsors or whatever. Product placement stuff. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Can I just throw in Markiplier's response to why he said sponsored? Yeah. He did a live stream. Yeah. He did a live stream last night.

31:23So this kind of feels like thinking too hard about it may have. I don't even want to say bit him in the ass because I don't think there's a ton of controversy around this. It was just like all a bunch of weird happenings in like 48 hours. 48 hours. And I don't think any of his audience is really being like, you scammed us at all. Also, in his defense, if he really didn't know anything and this happened, like if we're taking him for his word, this sucks. It does. If I was him, I'd be like, damn. He accidentally played the lottery and accidentally won. So his reason for saying sponsored and not invested was to show, this is his words, show some

32:00way of showing that there is potential financial gain out of this video. But in this world where so many different creators are hyping up different cryptos and investment advice kind of things that he was worried if he said he was investing in GoPro that his audience would then think, I also want to invest in GoPro. And he's like, I don't want my audience investing in a thing that's been down 95% over the last five years because it's probably not a very good investment. And to kind of his point, though, when it got announced, he came out, it shot up before

32:33any of the other stuff. So it happened. What he didn't want to happen happened. Yeah. I that's a valid take. It's a valid thought. Hindsight. It didn't work as well. But yeah, hindsight is definitely 2020 on a lot of this. Probably next time. Just say that I am invested in this company. This is not financial advice. I do not think you should invest. Yeah. The companies that are trying to pump the like crypto coins and stuff and say, I'm invested in this. They're not actually invested. They're invested because the company gave them a bunch of free investment to promote it, which is different. And I think that we should just everyone should just be more honest and clear.

33:08The problem is, is with his honesty doesn't mean the people in the crypto ones are going to be honest because they are saying I invested. I'm just saying like, no, you're right. In a perfect world, those crypto people would also say these people paid me money to say this, but they're like, I'm not personally invested in it. They just gave me money. Yeah. So now he's in this weird spot where it's like he emerged with this company that might be making like flock cameras and but he doesn't want to sell everything because then it looks like a pump and dump. But he also doesn't he's hoping that this new camera is good and GoPro focuses on it.

33:42I will end sounds pretty skeptical. Yeah, I will end with his I will end with like the cautious optimism that like, OK, he is a believer in the product and the tool and wants to enable in some way future creators having this awesome tool, having access to it, how the investment helps out or not. I don't really know. But just to give the benefit of the doubt, GoPro is going to still be around. We don't know exactly what's going to happen with their cameras in the future. They could keep making cameras. We hope they keep making cameras, but there is some doubt around that.

34:14And we'll have to just see what happens. Yeah. I think that we talked about DJI before and Insta360 and not all these companies are necessarily going to be able to sell their cameras forever here in the US. There's lots of weird legislation around that with this administration. So we don't know. So there's a potential of GoPro continuing to make cameras that are amazing and game breaking. And to be fair, I have an ILS. I haven't tested it yet. Wait, what? But a lot of people. Yeah, I know. Ellis wants it. We have it. I'm going to check it out.

34:45A lot of other people have said very positive things. I'm going to bring you a bunch of vintage glass because that that's the really cool thing is you can adapt all this crazy vintage glass to it. To kind of go full circle on this whole conversation back to the fact that GoPro has only ever made Hero 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 400, and it is tanking their stock price because they're a marketing company up until now of like, they're a, hey, you do cool things, buy this camera, and then you ski down a ski slope and watch the footage and you're like, I'm going one mile an hour in this ultra wide. Like, this is not fun unless you do a backflip.

35:15You know what GoPro should have done? They should have made an energy drink. Because Red Bull. They're about the same. Because Red Bull is the same company as GoPro, but they sell an energy drink. That's the only difference between these companies. So the Mission ILS, we're excited about it because it's this very accessible thing that seems like it's in good quality and it's kind of breaking the mold of what they're making and seems really interesting. And then they're like, cool, we're also going to make flock cameras. And it's like, oh, God. Hear me out. Hear me out. Cinema flock cameras.

35:47So when the techno fascist state, you know, sees you doing something or whatever and you could haul the court and they pull that footage off, you could be like, damn, those lens flares. Those lens flares. That's a video, man. Sick. I also want to note that Starman Optical, which was the company that, the holding company that merged with GoPro yesterday, was incorporated in Delaware the day before yesterday. No way. Great. What? What is a holding company? It's held by Starman New Photonics, which is part of Starman Holdings.

36:17This is a bunch of shell companies. Wait, so who owns GoPro? Well, Starman Holdings now owns GoPro. But who owns Starman? Markiplier.

36:27Technically, it owns 8.5% of GoPro, which is owned by Starman Holdings. Starman Holdings owns Starman New Photonics and Starman Optical is a subsidiary of Starman New Photonics. Starman Optical was founded the day before yesterday.

36:41It sounds like a bunch of shell companies. The reason it's probably a bunch of shell companies is because they want to do weapons manufacturing and they don't want the public to know who they are. What if it's what if they were actually caught in like a crazy 4D chess game and Philip DeFranco owns Starman Holdings? We are not saying this is true. No. I just I think it's like be funny, though. Even more here to the fact that he probably didn't know about this, because yeah, if you knew about this, this is the last thing a creator wants to be a part of right now.

37:12Like a way to tank your reputation is to be like, I just put a bunch of money and government rope like robotics, weapons and flock and like government surveillance. As one of the biggest investors, he should shoot an email to that founder. Yeah. He wrote in there like, if I get to vote, I'm going to vote no, but it's probably going to do nothing. He did say if they start doing flock type cameras, he will be out of it. Yeah. Interesting. Fingers crossed for the good cameras of the future. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't want to like, we're not trying to start a bunch of drama. We're just saying this is like a crazy situation.

37:42It's a wild situation. Yeah. Situation is crazy. That's what this episode is going to be named. Wait, we do have the ILS, though. We do have the ILS. I do want to. Every time we hear ILS, I think of the space station. I also do. Same. ISS. ISS. I'm Amazon. I'm ordering a Micro Four Thirds to C-mount adapter. Nice. I'm bringing in some lens flare glass. Let's go. Where it's going to be amazing. Yeah. We'll mess with it. That'll be exciting. So speaking of tracking.

38:15Oh, yeah. Yeah. Tracking. Yeah. Tracking. That's good. Because GoPros will probably be tracking you on the street in the future.

Android feature drop and trackless items

38:21Google is letting you track stuff that you don't have trackers on, which is cool. I saw this get added in a Pixel Feature Drop, and I thought- Android Feature Drop. Android Feature Drop. Better. Better. Better. And I thought, oh, nobody thought of that before. I know. It's the most basic thing ever. Yeah. So obviously, in the Find My apps, you've been able to have an Android phone, Android devices, internet connected devices, and you can find them at any point. Obviously, with Apple stuff. Find Hub. Find Hub is Androids. Google calls it. Obviously, Find My with Apple. Yeah. And with AirTags and all these chips now, you can add these things.

38:53But also, if you just want to remember where you put something that doesn't have a tag in it, like, say, your passport. That's the example from the video. You can just tell Gemini, I'm putting my passport in the safe in the basement. It will then remember that location and put it in the Find Hub so that when you ask Gemini again or check your Find Hub, like, where did I put my passport? It will just remember that that's where you put your passport. That's so specific, Marquez. Is that where you put your passport? In the safe in the basement? Passport? Come get me. That is where I put my passport.

39:24Now you know. Safe in the basement. Come get me. Dox your passport. But, yeah, that is an example of something. I don't want to put an AirTag on my passport, but I do kind of want to remember, because I don't use my passport all the time, and I just want to remember where I put it so that when I do have my next international trip, I can be like, hey, Gemini, where's my passport? Bam. You know what's funny? I have a tracker card in my passport, my passport wallet, but I forgot that my passport wallet is RFID-blocking, so it just doesn't work. Oh, my God. I know. It's like all these wallets, for the longest time, because people were skimming credit cards, became RFID-blocking wallets, and now there's all these tracker cards that just don't work

39:58in RFID-blocking wallets. Yeah. So now you can find at least the last place you put it. But it is so funny because, I mean, this is one of those super over-engineered things for something you could just write down. But it's going to be in the Find Hub, which is a place where you want to find stuff. Yeah. It's a smart... And it's all on your phone. It's like you could do it from your laptop. You could do it from your phone. I think this is a very simple solution to a problem that nobody really thought about before, and I think that's cool. This is the equivalent of being like, Claire, I'm putting this in the basement right here.

40:29Remember that. It's just like I can just say it to my phone, and then we actually will remember instead of both of us forgetting five seconds later. What I always do is whenever I need to remember where something is, I put it in a very specific place because I'm like, oh, yeah, if I put it in this very unique place, I'll definitely remember. Yep. Absolutely. Never. As the worst possible thing to do. Yeah. No, this is... Or for... Yeah. I parked level two section A, like at the airport or something like that. That's good. I always... I just take a picture of the car with the nearest sign somewhere in the frame.

41:01That's like my habit. Every time I park at the airport, I go, okay, where's the sign? Let me get the car and the sign in the frame, and that's the picture. Do you do this with your hotel number, too? Sometimes. I, for some reason, don't have a problem remembering my room number, but I often come back to the studio still with the room key, and I try to swipe the hotel room to get in here, and then I always have to switch back. I always take a photo of, like, right outside my door. That's smart. That's a good idea, because last time when we traveled, I got to the floor. I knew I was supposed to be on, but I just kind of stood there for a bit. Like, damn, wait, what room was it? I'll put my room number in my Find Hub, so...

41:34Boom. Tell Gemini about it. There were a couple other really fun features as part of this Android feature drop, though, that I wanted to talk about really quickly. A few years ago, Apple released this new feature on the iPhone. That allows you to basically use your phone while you're in a car, because it has these bubbles that will appear on the screen that sort of move with the gyroscope while the car is moving, and it's supposed to be... There's... I don't know the biology of this. I do. Okay, let's... Okay, tell me about the biology. When you get nauseous in a car... Because you actually get car sick. I do get car sick.

42:04I don't. I paid a lot of attention. This is why I've looked it up. Yeah. Is it's because... When you're on your phone, you're looking down at your phone... In your ear, Sam. You're... Well, essentially, there's a difference in perceived motion between your eyes and your inner ear. Your inner ear can feel that you're accelerating forward, but your eyes only see your lap and your phone, which is not accelerating forward. And when your inner ear feels a difference from what your eyes see, that can cause you to feel nauseous. It's the same way if you're in a VR game and you move forward in the game with the controller, but your inner ear doesn't feel you moving forward.

42:36Your stomach kind of drops. Yeah, it makes you... That difference is what makes you feel nauseous. Yeah. So what it does is it puts dots on the screen, where as the car accelerates and turns, it gives you that same exact feeling of motion. You turn right, and the dots also turn right. So it feels like, to oversimplify, like the road is underneath your phone, and you can see the movement of the road with dots. Right. So it's trying to give you something to look at that matches your inner ear's feeling of the way you're accelerating. Yeah. And that's now coming to Android.

43:06That's cool, yeah. And I heard this works. A lot of people said the iOS version really works. Some people swear by it. I think Rich uses it. Yeah. The previous way of doing this was they had, essentially, do you know like, when you could have those silly straws that came up and went around your eyes, so when you drink something, the liquid goes through it? Yeah. A closed version of that with liquid in it. So in your peripherals, the liquid is, it's like half-fold, and it's sloshing with the car. So something in your peripherals is moving the same as the car, giving you the sense of movement when you're reading. They look so silly. They do. They have to look so ridiculous.

43:38But this is a way better version of that. I didn't even know they made those. Oh my God. They look so ridiculous. My suggestion, so this is what I've always found, because I've gotten car sick in the back of the car so many times, especially, actually, there's a couple things that make it really bad. One is if it's one of those, like, throttle stabbers in an EV, where there's, like, V-gen. So every Uber driver ever? Yeah. They, like, accelerate, slow down. Accelerate, slow down. That sucks no matter what. Yeah. But also, if I'm in the back seat, and they have one of those huge seats with a headrest in front of me that's, like, blocking my view of the road. Oh, yeah. For some reason, that sometimes is enough for me to, like, I have to, basically, I just stare

44:12out the window. So I just go, I just look directly out the window as long as I can, and that's the best thing that's helped with feeling car sick in the back of the car. Is that why people get sick in the back seat and not the front seat? Yes. Because they don't have such an immediate view of the road? Yes. Oh, is it? For me, anyway, yes. That makes sense. Yeah. That's really interesting. Well, two other features in this Android drop that I thought were interesting. You can now change the background images for your Google Messages chats, which is definitely a swipe at iMessage, which did this a couple of years ago, which did this because of WhatsApp a couple of years before that.

44:43Yeah. I am assuming these companies are realizing that the personalization thing is actually important to people. It keeps them on the platform. Yep. They, my group chat for my photography group is just, like, a picture of my dad's face. As the background? As the background. I'm not sure why we did that, but that's what it is. I'm only thinking of this now, which might be stupid, but I've always thought changing the background of chats was stupid, but now I'm realizing- I mean, it is. It's silly. That's the point. It's harmless. Harmless, stupid. But how often do you guys get a text, it pops up on the notification thing, you read

45:17it, but instead of clicking on it to reply, you hit the text button? Oh, the reply. The messages button? Yeah. No, not reply. The messages button on the bottom of, like, your doc. Oh. And then I reply, and then I realize I sent it to the wrong person because it's actually the last thing that came up. Every time. Never. So, with background chats different, I'd be much more aware of, like, oh, that's not Claire. Oh, that's not Ellis I'm responding to. Right. That's not Claire if it's a picture of David's dad's face. Yeah, like, if David texts me up top and is like, yo, what are we talking about on the

45:50pod today? And I open it up, and it's Claire, and I don't see David's dad's face, then I don't text Claire the Markiplier GoPro situation, and she's like, what are you talking about? Like, I feel like that would actually save me much. I think I'm going to change all of my chat backgrounds. Yeah, okay. I like that. Okay. Google messages. You should just change one or two important ones. That's fair. Because if they're all just random colors, you're not going to know when you open it up. Real quick, just speaking of Google messages, the way they do pinned chats is terrible. They just list them. Yeah, it's not really. They're just pinned to the top, so when you, like, the way the Apple messages does it, it's

46:23just like huge bubbles, and they stack, but the way that it happens in Google messages, it's just, it's the same just text chat indicator, but they just happen to always be at the top. So, it's like a forum. Yeah, and the problem is when I reviewed the Pixel 11 Pro, I did the transfer thing from my iPhone to the Pixel, and one of their big updates was, oh, now all of your pinned chats also transfer. Yeah. But I have eight pinned chats on my iPhone, so it took up the entire screen.

46:55So, when I would get a new text, I wouldn't even see it when I opened the app, because it would be below all of my pinned chats. Oh, that is tough. That is funny. Yeah, so. Time to unpin somebody. I think Google needs to either just copy Apple directly or do something else, because, like, yeah, pinning it in that way is not. You've got to have, like, ten pins, though, don't you? I have eight. Oh, wow. I'm going to bet. Are they all that important? I talk to all these groups every day. I'm going to bet that they copy the big bubble at the top for pins feature. Yeah. Within.

47:26One year. Within a year and a half. A year and a half. I need to give it until summer of next year. Summer of 27. Yeah. I don't know. That seems too soon to me. I think it's going to be sooner. I think someone at Google just heard this and started writing it down. Yeah. Right under his note of screwing with Andrew's YouTube. Yeah. He will then work on it. While we're yelling about Google messages, I have it. Did they even test this? Yeah. Mid-episode. I mean, mine was kind of a did they. There's a feature auto delete OTP one time password messages after 24 hours. Yeah. That does not work. Wait, really? It doesn't. I never turn it on.

47:57I turn it on. I currently have nothing but OTP messages at the top. Constantly from there's so many of these. But is it within 24 hours? It's like from days ago at this point. Wait, mine works perfect. I don't see a single. Mine used to work and then it stopped working. And like for the last like six months it just stopped working. Are you sure it's on? I just went to settings to double check. And I do this like at least twice a week because I'm like, why are you not deleting? And it still keeps messaging me. And that fog color is so good every time I see it. Thank you. It's like better in real life.

48:28It's by the way. I like how your newer Pixel doesn't work and my older Pixel works. I'm telling you, Marcus, I'm going to bury you with that phone. I'm just telling you. The OnePlus 15. There is one more Google Messages feature in this Android update that I'm excited about. Oh my God. They remembered again that Google Keep exists. And maybe so. Every two years. We're usually scared about this, right? Yeah, it's a little bit concerning when they ever have a Keep update because it might mean they get rid of it. But they are now basically allowing you to have shared lists through Google Keep inside

49:00of Google Messages. So if you are texting with somebody and I'm assuming this has to be an RCS chat because it uses, you know, internet stuff. You can now have this little embedded Google Keep list that is shared and you can, whoever is in the chat can add to the list. So this is obviously kind of targeted at like grocery shopping, grocery lists, which maybe will make this proactive assistance thing a little bit better where you have specifically your grocery list in Google Keep and now you're using it in Google Messages. Maybe they're just kind of trying to incentivize people to use this feature.

49:33Has this come out yet? Because I just tried to test this by messaging you to like attach a Google Keep and I do not see any features or options for this. Are you rolling out? Yeah. It might depend on your phone. Yeah. Even though you have a- The Pixel 11. The newest Pixel. I'm probably not getting it for a while. Yeah. Yeah. I think you'll get it before me. I don't know. Sometimes OnePlus gets stuff before Google does. It's true. If it was a Samsung, I would have had it already. That's true. That's true. Because that's really the Google phone. Anyway. You know what's crazy? What? This is our first ad break. That is crazy. We started about an hour ago.

50:03That is crazy. You know, sometimes you just got to pop off. All right. Well, then that sounds like it's trivia time. Hmm. Let's go.

50:13I am begging you. I need a point. I need something that I'm going to get. You will not be getting one. I'm begging you. Mark, I wrote this question thinking of you because this is a binary answer. Okay. It's either one or the other. Coin flip. I get a point here. You get a 50% chance. Okay. Because after the break, we're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. And when I think about Sonos, I think of a product category.

50:38I'm not that fond of soundbars. I'm not either. So I'm not going to hate on anyone who has a soundbar. I get it. They're efficient. They take up very little space. Spatially efficient. You know, that's great. Not for me. Yeah. That's fine. But I was doing some research into the history of soundbars, which is some interesting stuff there. And so today's question is, what came first? The initial first experimental soundbar, which is a soundbar.

51:08I think if you saw it, you'd be like, that's a weird looking soundbar. But it, to me, meets all the qualifications one needs to be to be a soundbar. Or is it a hot dog?

51:18It's a hot dog. Go ahead. Or TV broadcasts in stereo. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah, this is a coin flip for sure. What came first? NTS or pal. All right. All right. Well, answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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Sonos refresh and headphones

54:11All right, welcome back. We're going to talk a little bit about Sonos. If you didn't so know, a couple of years ago, a couple of years ago, this company really destroyed their app. Everyone got real mad, real, real mad, so mad. It's been a saga. They got a new CEO, and then they decided they needed to completely re-fix the app and everything like that. In the process of all this, they announced and released the Sonos Ace headphones, which

54:43Marques did a review of last year. They're sort of their competitor to anyone's flagship over-ear headphones, I would suppose. Yeah. Flagship ANC, $400. I think they were over-ear headphones. They were $450. Yeah, they were expensive. They're expensive. They're really, I mean, they're great headphones in general, but their really only big feature was that you could dynamically switch between your Sonos soundbar or audio system and the headphones when you were watching TV. That was like the selling point, it was like, oh, if your wife falls asleep next to you

55:16and you want to turn off the audio ambiently but listen on your headphones, then you can do that. It's like, that's a very, I'm a millionaire and I have one little use case kind of situation. Anyway. Well, funny thing real quick about Marques' review last year is he called it, you had one job, and Sonos' invitation this year says, we had one job. My question is, was that the invitation to everyone or just to you? I think that was to everyone. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. Well, at this big event, they released two new, well, three new things, kind of.

55:53They released a new version of the Sonos 8 called the Sonos 8 Ultra because everything is ultra in 2026, apparently. We'll see if the iPhone is ultra or duo or fold or whatever they call it. But they released a Soundbar Ultra and they released a new OS that is going to span all of their products, which they're calling Sonos 27, which I'm not. They didn't call it Sonos. It's right there. Yeah. Are you serious? Yeah. You had one job.

56:23You had one job. It's, you know, last year you had one job, this year you had a different job and you messed both of them up. Um, so it's headphones, not super different. They say how they have better ANC in two specific category ranges from it's in the HVAC frequency range. That's a good one. And also in the airplane drone frequency range. That's the other good one. Nailed it. Those are the two good ones. Um, combine them and it's sitting in an airplane with the HVAC on. Yeah. I need, they need to add one more server room wine because we have that stupid server next

56:58to our office now and it's driving me insane. And I have a feeling we're all going to hear a lot more servers whining in the next 10 years. Yeah. The service. Yeah. They just, they want more food. They want more power. Andrew, give me more power. They're whining. Um, okay. So they also have new adaptive EQ that adjusts due to your fit. So if you have glasses on and it's kind of like, kind of like poofing out the headphones a little bit, or if you have hair, crazy concept and it doesn't have like a firm seal on your head, the EQ will adapt a little bit to make up for those gaps.

57:30Uh, they have five hours of more rated battery life up to 35 hours with the ANC on, which actually seems quite good. Yep. Three hours of fast charging gets you three hours of listening. There are two new colors, blue agave. Three hours of fast charging gives you three hours. Three minutes. Sorry. Okay. Three minutes of fast. Sorry. Three hours of fast charging. Damn. Real time. Yeah. Real time. No one commented. I was like, wait, that can't. You want to listen to a four minute song? You got to charge for four minutes. That would be crazy.

58:01Well, there's a new, there's two new colors, blue agave and beige sand. Um, yeah, that's kind of it for those. The blue look nice. The blue does look very nice. Still $450. Still $450. They, there is no limit to how much they can charge for headphones. Not when you're a company that sells really, really expensive, uh, speakers to people who own houses. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'll try to check these out. I don't want to get my hands on them. I, as far on the power rankings of like things that matter to me in ANC headphones, sound

58:32quality in ANC is at the top. Battery life is right below that. And then all the other features of like multipoint or like comparing with the Sonos system or all these other stuff. So it's for me personally, not super interested, but, uh, are you a Sonos connected? Like you have Sonos at your house? I have one Sonos sound system. Yeah. But you don't have the, but I never personally go from listening to it on speakers to listening to it on headphones. Got it. Yeah. A big thing with Sonos speakers too, is that many of them you can hardwire into your house so that they don't have to be just like, yeah.

59:03Jesus. So you can like put it in the corner of your home and that's a nice little billionaire penthouse. Yeah. I get it. I get it. A hundred percent. Uh, but the big news here is the Sonos 27 OS, uh, which is very chock full of AI integration, which I'm not totally sure if you're trying to like rebuild trust with your customers over your botched, uh, software release. That's the best way to do it. Oh, they're trying to rebuild trust with their investors. Right, right, right. That's honestly, yeah, probably true.

59:33So they're releasing a new Sonos 27 voice assistant for the system, which sure, I suppose, um, but it gives you access to like system control and music control. There's a Sonos 27 MCP or model context protocol. So you can tell Claude to play something for some reason. I really don't know why you would do that. Uh, but you can also have up to 10 Sonos agents, which can do different things. Like when you wake up, they will tell you the weather or give you a motivational speech.

1:00:03We really don't know what to do with AI yet. It seems. I don't know, man. A motivational speech as soon as I wake up sounds like it would slap. We're just out the bed. Speech is crazy. Speech? Yeah. I need like the, what's a good like sports speech. Like give me a Ted Lasso, like pick me up. No, or that girl who just learned how to ride her bike. Do you remember that YouTube video? And she gives the speech like, you can do it too. It was great. Yeah. So it is like, you can have 10 different little agents with different voices, which is wild. And they just do different things.

1:00:34Why do you need 10 more? Why do we need AI isn't everything. And a speaker might be the dumbest product I've ever seen AI in. This is why a Ram cost. So have you seen the Dyson toothbrush? Bro. Yeah. Wait, what? Also AI power. Real quick. I think if, if it works, this is the one putting an AI in a thing that I might be okay with. Because being able, being able. Oh, you're talking about the toothbrush or you're talking about the. No, the. I was trying to make a really bad segue. We'll get to the toothbrush. But I just think, I just think there's so much music out there.

1:01:07We have access to, in theory, all of it. And as far as I'm aware, there is not a good natural language, like music search platform. And so the idea of being able to be like, I like the example that they did in the event of like, um, play the, I forget. It was like, play the acoustic version of this one song and it knew like instantly to look for an MTV live album because that's the acoustic. Like, I think that's pretty cool. Or to be like, are there any instrumental covers of this song?

1:01:41And it, in theory, being able to be like, actually, yeah, bro. Again, I'm hesitant. I'm hesitant to hear this work. I just think as someone who really likes music and has thought a lot about music databases and music metadata for quite some time, I know I've talked about this before, but when I was trying to go to college and I thought I wanted to go to business school instead of music school, I pitched this business idea because a lot of these schools asked for a business pitch.

1:02:11And it was like the largest music metadata database ever, specifically for things like this. And resoundingly, everyone was like, that's dumb. And look where we are now. So agents crawling around. I feel that Spotify would have done this already. In the event they said it can do this? This was using, uh, in, like, I didn't watch the event. I only read recaps. Okay. This, I believe in the event they were using Alexa plus to do this. So that means they would be streaming on Amazon. Yeah. So maybe I guess it is the streaming service.

1:02:42Well, this is not the Sonosea. Yeah. I don't know. My biggest question on that is, is it like universal and different streaming services? Or there's so many companies that are like, we can do this thing in Amazon music. And you're like, well, I don't use Amazon music. And that's the stuff. Now I just have some weird agent telling me the weather and pumping me up in the morning. Anyway, I'm, I'm excited about the idea of finally being able to search for music in the same way you talk to like the weird guy who works in your local record store. Do you have, uh, Sonos speakers? No, no, and I won't.

1:03:15Yeah. Same. Yeah. One day I almost splurged on one and then I was like, what am I doing? This is my midlife crisis. There's, oh, this is so off topic, but it is about Sonos. Okay. I'll go really fast. In that podcast I was listening to, uh, the dead eyes one. Yeah. He's an actor and he talked about this one really weird job he took one time where for 500 bucks, him and this other actress for a full day had to be the actors in a Sonos quote press briefing where them, a fake child, were in a, in a apartment with their Sonos set up.

1:03:48And every 30 minutes a journalist would come in and they would explain to them how they use their Sonos speakers in their everyday life. So there was like a fake child sleeping in one of the rooms and they had to pretend to be husband and wife to talk to these journalists about their life. When you say fake child, do you mean a real child? I think, no, no, I think there was two. Or like a doll. I think there was one room with a crib that was sleeping the whole time. So there's no child in it. But, and I think there may have been a child actor or something like that. Um, very strange, but they, and I'm just imagining us as the people who cover stuff like that, going into that and being like, this is the most like tech PR advertising thing I could ever think of.

1:04:26I don't know, man. Imagine going to a Google event and having someone running on a treadmill every time you walk in. Imagine someone doing burpees and constantly doing them.

1:04:37Props to that guy. Please stop. Nah, he's got abs of steel.

The Dyson toothbrush and water pick

1:04:42Well, speaking of toothbrushes. Um, have you ever purchased a toothbrush for $499? Here's a fun fact about me that seems to surprise a lot of people. I've never bought an electronic toothbrush. What? What? What? Do you use one? No. You're like the tech guy. I just use a regular toothbrush. Universally, people have agreed that vibrating toothbrushes are more effective. Hey, Marquez is like the Michelin star chef who like enjoys some Taco Bell every once in a while. Is that the equivalent? I have no idea. I don't know if he's got too much AI.

1:05:13I got a lot of tech in my life. I've never even used an electronic toothbrush. Is this going to be a hill you're going to die on now? No, no. Are you willing to adopt? I have nothing against them and I may be willing to adopt it. It won't be this one. Why? Because it's $500 and it's got AI and I don't think. But it has a camera. It's also a water pick and there's just a little too much going on there. There's a lot going on. There's a lot too much. Let's explain what's going on. Yeah. What is the Dyson toothbrush? You tell me. Okay. So it's called the Dyson camera jet and it's called that because that's exactly what it does. It uses a camera which looks in between your teeth and when it notices gaps in your teeth

1:05:46where it thinks that plaque and food might get stuck. It then uses a camera which they described the camera's resolution in pixels to make it sound like a lot of resolution. Which is really funny. It's 0.1 megapixels. It's 100,000 pixels. It's so many pixels. It's 100,000 pixels is the way they market it which is 0.1 megapixels. So they have a 0.1 megapixel camera. Put that on a billboard. Yeah. 100,000 pixels that monitors the inside of your mouth when it sees a gap.

1:06:17It then squirts, sprays, uh, hoses. Jets. Jets. Jets is probably the correct term. Yeah. Uh, what is it? Mouthwash. Blasts. Blasts. Anyway. I just started blasting. That's blasting mouthwash in between your teeth. Sure does. And Dyson says it's the same as flossing. So you gotta fill this thing with, you gotta fill it up. It fills itself up because. It's a little stand. It has a stand that you charge it on, but it has a air bladder inside of the toothbrush

1:06:48that, uh, uses like suction to fill its reservoir. Within three seconds it will refill the, uh, reservoir. Wow. And, uh, it's really over-engineered. They say it has AI.

1:07:01All right. All right. All right. That's 10 agents for motivational speeches. Listen, hear me out. Every time Dyson releases something, I'm like, why? That's like a thousand dollar vacuum cleaner. Are you kidding me? And then we use it. And it's the greatest thing you've ever used. And awesome. No, no, no, no. That's a fallacy. I, I'd like to address this fallacy. Okay. They, they cooked on the vacuums. They absolutely. Yeah, they did. But just because they cooked on the vacuums doesn't mean we have to say they cooked on everything else. Do you remember the headphones? They did not cook on the headphones. The headphones worked?

1:07:31The headphones, they didn't. I don't know if they worked. They're the dumbest thing I've ever reviewed. They arguably spread more disease than prevent. Yeah. Yeah. They did not cook on the headphones. It's kind of like whenever people, I always get annoyed by this. Maybe this is overreacting, but people would be like, they'd just react to any new Apple product and be like, eh. I would say something like, I don't see who this is for. The market is too small. And then they go, well, that's what they said about the first iPhone. And I'm like, just because they cooked on one thing does not mean everything else is cooking. So I would say that like, let's let people, let's let the toothbrush reviewers get their hands on this thing.

1:08:02You know, let's see if it's actually good. The tooth flu. And I can't believe I'm like the Ellis defends AI episode. You're not defending AI. You know how some people like have like a really complex like skincare routine at the end of the day. That's how I am with my teeth because I was just like cursed with the least, whatever like bacteria combination I have going on here is just, just the worst. So the, so you're in the target demographic. If I could, if I could like justify, if I could Sonicare and water pick in one session.

1:08:33I don't hate that idea. I don't hate that idea. Is it worth $500? Maybe. Maybe. If it lasts multiple years. Which it probably won't. It might. You know how many toothbrushes I can get for $500? Yeah. Dude, but it's like. And floss. Analog toothbrushes? Yeah, because that's acoustic. Bro, I use, I use, I have to use two different kinds of floss, bro. I use regular floss and then I use this stuff called super floss. But you'll still have to use floss because I think most people consider a water pick not as good as it. No, but they say it effectively. It's a 33% reduction in activities. You know what I mean? Because I could go, I could go toothbrush.

1:09:05What's your time worth, Ellis? Exactly. Is it worth $500? Exactly. Over the course of three years? I will. I think, I don't know if I've brought this up before, but remember there was this like super old article that was like, one guy went to a hundred different dentists and got like a hundred vastly different opinions. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And his conclusion was like. It's a wired article, I remember this. Yeah, honestly, anyone could say anything and I just kind of have to go with it because I don't know anything about like dentistry. I was like, dentists might kind of just be scamming me. And then, a couple years ago, I went to my dentist and they did the thing where they're

1:09:36like, you've been flossing? And I was like, yeah.

1:09:41I wasn't. I floss every day. But they were like, honestly, like your gums would be, all these things would be better if you were flossing. And I was like, you know what? I'm going to do it. And for the entire next year, I flossed every single night. A year? An entire year. I brushed twice a day and flossed every single night, right? I get back to the one year later appointment. I go and I sit down and I look in through. And before I say anything, they go, wow, you've really been flossing. I can tell. And I was like, oh, shit.

1:10:12They can tell. Yeah, they definitely can. And now I keep it up. I gotta say, the dentists always gas me up and I don't do a good job. But I manually know electric people. It's a genetic lottery thing. You know what I mean? Some people just have the right combination. My microbiome in my mouth is incredible. Nothing was good in here, you know. Despite all the beautiful things that come out of my mouth, the existence of the things inside my mouth are no good. It's a yin-yang, man. It's a yin-yang. You can't have both, Ellis. You can't be winning that hard.

1:10:45All this is to say, I don't think a $500 Dyson toothbrush slash water pick is necessary for my routine. It's not necessary for anybody, but it's great. I disagree. But it's great. I think it might be worth it. I mean, I think flossing is going to wait for the reviews. Flossing is better than water picking. And way cheaper. Yeah. And so my biggest thing here is, everyone else here uses an electric toothbrush, right? No. Everybody? No. No. You didn't use an acoustic one? I have used electric toothbrushes and I love them. I just never replaced it when it died.

1:11:16So I'm in my acoustic phase, but I'll go back to it. Are you using your electric one? You're doing your solo album right now? No. I got a regular toothbrush. Oh. Well, so when you guys brush, the way you're supposed to use an electric toothbrush is basically let it do all the work, right? And just go across your teeth. Then I could see it no scoping all the gaps in that. But do any of you do it like that? Or do you brush it like a regular toothbrush, even though it's an electric toothbrush? I think most people probably brush it right. I brush it regularly until you told me this. And there's zero chance it's hitting those gaps in that situation.

1:11:49My Philips Sonic hair has feedback that lets me know when I'm not brushing. Mine does too. It gives me a little frowny face and I go, I don't care. Mine, when you use it incorrectly, the motor kicks on a little extra and goes, like, while it's vibrating. Mine glows red on the bottom. Like, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. What I'm learning. Well, not to keep my Philips Sonic hair also, when I need to move on to a new part of my mouth, it goes, like, there's tons of feedback. Holy smokes. Yeah. It's like every 30 seconds, it like does something different to be like, oh, you're getting closer.

1:12:21How much did Philips Sonic hair pay you, Ellis? Mine's Oral-B. I'm just, I'm a believer, man. I'll say though, in the dentist thing, they do know because mine went using an electric toothbrush, right? I was like, yeah. He's like, you gotta be calmer with it because it's gonna like, your gums are starting to get effective from it. I mean, they were in my mouth, like, looking at it. He was like, using an electric toothbrush, right? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, yeah, if you're going too hard, your gums are getting hit too much with, like, too much power and it's gonna start receding.

1:12:53Do you guys remember Tooth Tunes? Of course. Yes. Where you have like a, what is it, a 60 second song? Didn't they catch on fire? Probably. They were for kids. That's a bad combination. Yeah. What? I'd argue that a fire in my mouth is equally bad as a fire in a kid's mouth. Yeah. I was wrong. I swear there was something about it. That sounds familiar though. Yeah. Is toothbrush catching on fire? I feel like that was a thing. Maybe. Well, anyway. Yeah. These Tooth Tunes, they would play songs and they use bone conduction.

1:13:24Right. Because they would vibrate on your teeth and you could only hear it. So, it incentivized the kid to actually keep it on their teeth because it used the bone conduction so they could hear the song. They had like Hannah Montana, stuff like that. You put the right AI agents in this Dyson and you've got Tooth Tunes. All you need is a Hannah Montana cartridge. Or like a 60 second motivational speech. Oh my God. That's what the AI could do. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I would like a review unit.

1:13:55Are you going to send it back? How does that work? You can't repurpose that. If they want my mouth biome, go for it. Do you really want to talk about this, Andrew?

A new Twitter platform attempt

1:14:06I want to go so fast because I think it's funny. Okay. We're potentially getting new Twitter because a company called Operation Bluebird in Virginia is launching their new social media website, Twitter.now. Yeah. They've been, I guess, working on it a little while. Yeah. I remember when they announced this. They announced it because in April, they brought it to a U.S. district court where the judge gave a, I guess not a ruling, but said that he thinks X seems to have given up the word tweet, the Twitter bird logo, and possibly the word Twitter, although this is not a written order yet.

1:14:36Um, so this Operation Bluebird wants to now take the name Twitter. What's funny is the two founders, one is a former trademark lawyer from Twitter and the other is a trademark attorney, which feels kind of weird that two trademark attorneys want to start a new social media website when it really just sounds like they really want the word Twitter and the blue bird. I mean, everyone kind of does. Everyone does. It seems more like a, let's get the old popular name and figure it out after that.

1:15:06Um, anyways, it's going to be a $20 social media platform that, um, uses trust scores versus an algorithm and uses an AI called Vera to, you know, provide context and sources on things. It all sounds great, but obviously X is not going to be happy about this and this is probably just going to be a giant legal battle. It's going to be a legal battle. But I just think it's fun. I don't think it, I think it's, you can pay $20 to secure your handle now. It's not like you have, you're going to have to pay $20 to use a platform. You can pay $20 to have a handle for giant legal fees that you'll probably never get

1:15:37to use your handle on. Yeah. And I just like, I want to say this is, this blue sky had this chance. Like blue, blue sky is close enough to Twitter. It's, it looked exactly, it looks exactly the same. It's better. It's part of the Fediverse. It's, you know, it had all these things going for it and it still didn't really, or hasn't yet overtaken X taken off Twitter. Uh, I just don't think just because they have the name Twitter, I just, no, I don't think it will. I think if this had launched like immediately after Twitter changed to X, there could have

1:16:09been a mass migration and it could have been cool migration, like a migration. I mean, it's already, if you go to Twitter.now with 404ing and saying we're down, this was harder than we thought. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I just, I miss Twitter and none of them are going to work because the base of Twitter was on, is on X now and mostly just fragmented away from it. I also think that this, yeah, I think people yearn for the days of social media before algorithmic feeds, but the problem is people's dopamine receptors are just too attuned to algorithmic

1:16:40feeds now. And even if there was a platform that came out that was like, we are healthier, people don't go for the healthy stuff. They eat the candy. They don't eat the vegetables. Yeah. Then your dentist goes, yeah, I could tell. I could tell. I could tell. You need to buy the Dyson toothbrush. Have you been on Twitter? Yeah. All right. We need to do another trivia question and then the ad break. And then we're going to do a little show and tell because, um, Adam wanted to do show and tell and I forgot my product, but I'm going to. You have 30 seconds to think about it. You can just tell. You can just tell. You can just tell an ad break. I can just tell. I can just tell you about it.

1:17:11That's true. You don't need to show. Yeah. It is show and tell. Okay. Anyway, Google Find Hub was first announced August of 2013, but it had a different name when it was first announced. What was that name? August of 2013? 2013. I think I know what this is. Oh my God. I don't. That's crazy. Really? I think I might get a. No. Don't say it. Don't say it. Careful, Marcus. I don't want to jinx it. I'm just going to keep it in the back of my head. Answers at the end. Of course. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.

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Show and tell: unusual watches

1:19:34All right. Welcome back. We're going to do one last segment this week before we dive into the thick of Tech-Tember. And that is a little show and tell. Why not? We've got a couple things brought into the studio or that we're going to tell each other about that maybe we haven't heard of. Who wants to go first? I could go first. I'll allow it. Let's go first. For fun. Free break. You didn't even have anything. And now you're going first. So let's do it. I was reminded that I do have something new. You might have not heard of it. It's called the iPhone Fold. I'm kidding. That's kidding.

1:20:05We lied before. Kidding. So sometimes the audience likes to care about our watches, which is kind of fun. They do be doing that. We have a lot of watch fanatics on this team. Um, I recently switched over from my very basic Casio over to a Citizen Anadigi Temp. What time is it? Uh, it is 1238 and 52 seconds. Wow. Yeah. It actually is. It doesn't really drift, which is cool. The story of this watch, uh, I believe it was Japan only, which is kind of crazy, but

1:20:39it can tell the temperature, which is kind of cool for a, for an analog watch. Like your temperature? Like it's, or, you know, it's always pretty off. So I couldn't really tell you. Did you read the manual? I did. Okay. Cause I, I also, I own a Casio Pro Trek that has a temperature, but in the manual, they're very clear. They're like, in order to get a temperature reading, you need to leave it in the shade for half an hour.

1:21:04Yeah. It sounds like it's probably correct. Also on the Citizen Anadigi Temp. So the story of this watch is, uh, for people that don't know, I have many baristas. Okay. Okay. And, uh, one of my baristas, Mateo, gave me this watch because he found three of them in a box outside of a design agency that said free. Nice. Uh, my guess is that the design agency buys a lot of stuff that's very aesthetic, much like we do, just to kind of like get inspo. And then they eventually just threw them away. And, uh, yeah, I think it's really nice.

1:21:36It's very cool looking and it can, it can allegedly tell the temperature, but only in Celsius because they only risked it in Japan. It says 1240 on that. It says 1240. It says 1240. Uh, when I was looking at my, my computer, it said 1239. So one of them's a lot. Yeah. It's funny. You say people ask about our watches all the time. Yeah. Marquez has not been wearing a watch because he's wearing his whoop band. On the left hand. And so I was like, oh, what's a cool watch Marquez could get? And I, on a subreddit, I saw this like Casio, uh, Cosmo phase.

1:22:09And I was like, Marquez might like that. Cause it has like this cool graphic on the top that shows like the planets. It's from 1980 and the cheapest one I can find is $2,000 and it is beat to hell. So I was like, okay, maybe not. Maybe we won't convince Marquez. You could buy four Dyson toothbrushes for that. I have not seen a lot of analog watches that, uh, I mean, this is digital. I've not seen a lot of any watches that are of the aesthetic that would make me decide to get a watch.

1:22:43Yeah. Maybe you should get a watch. Well, we have to find one that I like. Remember when, um, Kevin O'Leary tried to get me to get a watch and I was like, I like this Apple watch. And he was like, how dare you? He hated that. But yeah, well, Kevin, it's the most sold watch of all time. So it turns out. Yeah. So anyway, it's not as fun and maybe next week I will actually have something. I like it. But some people care about our watches. They'd be watch watching. They'd be watching my watch. I care. I watch your watches all the time. Adam watches my watches. Who's next?

1:23:13I can go. Uh, I said mine came in a briefcase. It's not really a briefcase. It's more of like a small Pelican case, but I get asked a lot. Uh, is there any tech in Ultimate Frisbee? And usually I say, no, there isn't. Um, but I am on a film committee for the, the team that I play on. We have a lot of committees, logistics committee, travel committee, budget committee, weather committee. That's me. He created that one. You are the weather committee? It's just me. I just mess up my house. Self-appointed.

1:23:44But film committee always has a tough job because we want to film all of practice in every game that we play. But it's hard to have like a good angle and like have someone, maybe like you hire someone who like films every game, has a camcorder. Back in college, we had a camcorder on the sideline. If you weren't playing that point, we would just assign someone to go run over to the camcorder and point it at the action. So we always had film of every game. I swear to God, Marquez, if there's a GoPro in here.

Show and tell: automated sports camera

1:24:06It's not a GoPro. It is a camera. It's called, I don't even know how to pronounce it. It's either called the VEO or the VEO. Have you not seen this? No. All right. So this thing right here goes on top of a tripod, a very, very, very tall tripod, like 20 feet in the air and it sways in the wind. But this thing has two ultrawide cameras on the front and it's designed, I think, for soccer because basically what it does is you put it at half field, it sees the entire field and then it will stitch together this huge, on this huge panoramic.

1:24:37It will auto track the players and the ball as they are playing and film the whole practice or the whole game. What did you say? Yeah. So it's got this huge panoramic view, but you don't see the whole view unless you want to and the software zoom out. But it will auto follow the action. And what I think is happening is it's trained on soccer, but a Frisbee flying through the air looks on camera kind of like a soccer ball. And so it appropriately follows a Frisbee game as well. You sure it's not just like human tracking?

1:25:07Like it's tracking the person? It tracks the actual objects? It sometimes tracks the disc because what happens is we start with seven people on the left, seven people on the right, and there's a kickoff. And it always follows the kickoff from the direction that the Frisbee comes from. It does volleyball, hockey, baseball, football. It's got it all. This is sick. It's got a couple sports. If we can do lacrosse, it can do lacrosse. Yeah. If we can find a lacrosse ball. A lacrosse ball is like this big. This is the second time I'm like, how have I never heard of this before? Because last time you brought in like the juggling balls. I feel like we ask you pretty often on this podcast if there's tech in Ultimate Frisbee.

1:25:41And you're like, nah, not really. There kind of isn't really. And you have a tracker. Yeah. So on the back, so I have a couple of gripes with it. It's not perfect. The battery life is maybe one and a half games. So it's not a long time. Yeah. USB type C. It's got local storage, but then it's got this really shady, not shady, not a very good app where you have to like upload the footage to the cloud. It's also a subscription. Like it's not ideal and it's pretty expensive, but it does the thing. I think 10 years ago, we wouldn't call this AI. We'd call it like object tracking. But I think today this would be like an AI powered sports photography.

1:26:13Photography, it's waterproof. This gets, it's out in the sun. It's like a hundred degrees. It's baking hot. And this thing, it's fallen over multiple times. You can see the scratches on it. It looks pretty. It's pretty durable. So yeah, shout out to the AI. It's like a turtle head. Yeah. Would you say that this is a popular product? I see one at every tournament I go to. Really? Yeah. And I see them. Is like UltiWorld using them or? Not. They do real broadcast cameras, but like every team's got one. It seems like now. I do like the way that on the website, they show footage and I do like the way that it's

1:26:45panning and kind of doing a slow zoom, a slow pan. It looks very natural. Yeah. And then they have like an online portal where you can like clips, you can like clip sections and like comment on it. Your whole team can view footage. I'd put it in vertical and scroll through all the clips. Yeah. You can do the, you know. Exactly. Do this. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm most impressed by the 20 foot tripod. I want to see that. Does that come with it? That sounds crazy. Fun fact about the tripod, we went to Limerick, Ireland for worlds. We brought the veil. We brought the tripod. We flew back. Limerick is a place? Limerick is the name of the city.

1:27:16We flew back. I brought the veil back. Nobody brought the tripod back. Oh, no. It's still in our Airbnb. And is this like a, is this a proprietary tripod or does it? No, it's got a quarter 20 on the bottom. But the thing about tripods, when you picture a tripod, it's like the three legs and then the mount at the top. The tripod. The first thing has to be, yeah, it's got to be 20 feet tall. So it's got this tripod section at the bottom, but then a bunch of telescoping like scopes to get really high off the ground. So we got another one of those. Okay. Film committee is on it for those wondering. Are you the only one on the film committee?

1:27:47No. Okay. No. The other guy on the film committee forgot the tripod.

1:27:52Tripod guy? Yeah. Now he's, Marcus is the only one. There's only one other guy, Marcus. Yeah. So, so yeah, I took care of that. All right. All you have to do is check a bag. It's not that hard. All right. Who's next? I'll go next because I think mine is sort of small. Mine is not a physical thing. Yeah. It's an app slash a website. I've hyperlinked it in the show description. If anyone, it's not a new thing. It's a thing I found out about a long time ago and recently rediscovered and have a new found appreciation for it.

Show and tell: Radio Garden app

1:28:23It's called Radio Garden. Radio Garden is, uh, it's very simple. It is in its core, a collection of tens of thousands of, um, radio stations that do digital streams of their, their broadcast. But it is wrapped up in a user interface that is very, very similar to Google Earth. So when you want to listen to something, you have the ability to scroll through the globe and be like, what's going on in Panama?

1:28:55What's going on in Korea? It's very, very fun. Um, there's feeds all over the world. It's a very simple application. There's no, you, you don't sign up for an account. There's no tracking. Um, it's just good. It's just good. So if you want to enjoy something that is not a for you page. Yeah. I recommend you ever stumble across anything crazy. Um, I've stumbled across a few. So they curate some like pretty cool stations from, uh, around the world.

1:29:25I also, there are some like existing online radio stations. I really like like WMF WFMU here in Jersey city. W V F R M is a good one too. Oh, that's, I like that. We're not, we're not on it. Um, uh, dub lab NTS, which I just happen to be wearing an NTS shirt today. All of those are already on it. NTSC. Um, but I've, I'd say like the, the best station that I've like stumbled upon that I do a lot is a, uh, station from Madrid where we just were called loca ambient, which is all just like very calm ambient music.

1:29:57It's beautifully curated. Uh, so yeah, radio garden. Very fun. Nice. That's kind of awesome. Oh, and it's Android, iOS and, uh, browser. Cool. They have apps. They have apps. Oh yeah. We got apps. Much like Chili's. They got apps, boy. They got apps.

1:30:16Sick. All right. Do you want to go at them? I'll go last. Okay. Mine is not new.

Show and tell: workout machines

1:30:22It is an old, well, old ish thing, but it just like solves a problem that I feel I've had since AirTags came out, which is AirTags. The thing I lose the most is my keys and I can't put an AirTag on my keys without a special case, without a special like extra thing that I have to get. And most of the time they're trash or like they age terribly. So Chipolo came out with the Chipolo loop, which is just basically an AirTag on this little floppy piece of like silicon that is just perfect. And I've been using it. I expected it to break.

1:30:52I've been using it for a couple months now and it still is like perfectly on my keys. It's a little stretchy and everything. And the Chipolo thing itself is compatible with the Find My network and with Google's Find Hub, which is perfect. So it's between both. Yeah. And it has extra functionality because there's a button. So if I press the button, I'm not going to do it now, but it would like set my phone off. So like if I have my keys, but I don't know where my phone is, I could just press the button and it works. It does things like that. It'll be like a selfie camera. So if I put up a camera, I can press the button and it'll take a picture. Yeah. It's like really cool.

1:31:23Actually useful. And it's like not that expensive. Wait, and you're, you're forgetting the coolest part, which is that what's on the bottom? The recharge. USB-C, baby. Oh, you can charge. How long does it last on a charge? Um, a couple of weeks. Yeah. A couple of weeks. I haven't charged it in like, I think like two months maybe. So yeah. Oh really? Yeah. Wow. Well, I don't use it that much, but I'm sure if you're like using it every day, pinging things, maybe it doesn't last as long, but like it's fine. I have, I think the ringtone for this that I have is La Cucaracha, which is awesome. So. It's got a speaker.

1:31:54Yeah. A little speaker. That's a certified banger product. Yeah. That's, that is, that sounds like a great deal. Mine on the other hand.

1:32:02Uh oh. So this is why you wanted me to go before you. Jesus. Okay. I also brought a briefcase. You know how many Dyson toothbrushes you could have bought for this? Okay. I'm going to preface this by saying this is something that was sent to the office. This is something that is going to go into the new studio, but was taking up room here. So I asked Marquez if I could try it out at home until we bring it to the new office. And I have, and I've been loving it. It is called the Vulture One by Beyond Power. It is a portable home workout machine that is essentially a, how big would you say a large

1:32:39water bottle size? This is the size of a loaf of bread. Very heavy. Yeah. It is essentially a portable, uh, adjustable cable machine. What? Where, um, you have a screen, you have this, a place that you can attach workout accessories, um, and, and then a cable that can adjust to different, uh, levels of resistance. And because of how you mount it, there are different ways you can mount it. You can either mount it to a thing that will attach to an average squat rack, something I don't have. You can have something that will attach to a pole.

1:33:11So I have one above in my, I have a pull-up bar in my garage so I can attach it to that. But what's kind of cool is it also has this thing, which I brought behind me, which is a big piece of wood. Yeah. So what you can do is you can attach it onto the piece of wood, lock it in place. And now you standing on it is the weight resistance. Can you hold it up to the camera? Because you're putting it in the exact spot where there's no camera heavy though.

1:33:41Wow. So to, uh, if you want to give an example, Marquez or David, do one of you guys want to try this? Okay. I just brought in one singular. I'll do it after you. So take this and put it on the ground. Yeah. It's pretty heavy. So take this and put it on the ground. Yeah. It's pretty heavy. You're just going to turn the camera. Okay. Uh, no. So what you're going to do is on the, the touch screen on your left, which is pretty good. You should be able to hit weight training and then there should be a scroll to your left

1:34:14on how much weight you want it to do, pick yours and then hit tap to load. So choose a weight tap to load. Now stand on it. You're going to do a hundred pound curl or like a, Oh, you're going to be like, okay. Yeah. So now grab the handle and pull it's up. So like with just the stance, you can do bicep curls, tricep pushup, like shoulder pushups. You can do squats. You can do deadlift.

1:34:45Like there's so much you can do with just standing and using your own weight as a counterweight in it. And I forget how much it goes up to. It goes up pretty high. Um, it is an absurd amount of money. Wait, for just, I don't know how much it goes up to. You can try it. Yeah. 2400 bucks. Um, is $2,200 for just the machine. I think at minimum you probably need at minimum, you probably need the $2,600 like nomad bundle,

1:35:16which gives you the board that it connects to a straight bar and one handle it. What? It can run out of battery, which is a funny thing to say. Oh, it can run out of battery. It's just charged with USB-C. I've used this five or six times and it's at 80% battery. I was going to work out, but my weights ran out of battery. So sorry. Yeah. Um, but like, I don't, and it's got all different ways. You can change the way the weight resistance works to kind of mimic like people who put chains on things. It can do different types of resistance to it. Um, it, it's really simple to use.

1:35:47The touch screen is actually like pretty solid. Do you want to try it? Sure. It's not cheap though. It doesn't charge your phone, right? I don't believe so. Okay. For some reason, all of the branding, all of the naming. I thought that's where this is going. Oh, yeah. By beyond power. Yeah. I like this whole time. I thought this do some bicep curls on camera. That'll help us. Yeah. You can't hear the music. It's, it's nice though. Right? Yeah. It definitely has some resistance. I'm only doing a hundred pounds though. Yeah. It has a precision drive motor that can do five to 200 pounds.

1:36:31So we can't max out your curl here, but we can do a lot of work. Yeah. I do think this has a really, um, there's some people that this would be super useful. People who like travel van life kind of stuff like that. This is your mobile workout station connected to your van. Use the board outside. Like you can still get a workout in. It counts your reps. It has an app. I try not to use the app for it. Um, do you know how many months of a gym membership is $2,400? So many. Listen, van life. People should just pay for planet fitness. That's also super true.

1:37:02And they get a shower. I think most people who are buying at home or personal workout equipment understand they probably have to spend a lot of money for you. You don't know is you can do secondhand stuff. You either need a lot of space or a lot of money or you're in the national parks and they don't have a promo video is wrapping it around a tree. Yeah. It has like a strap like in anywhere. It's I really think like people in RVs or stuff like this. If you are living like that, this might be something that's cool. Again, it's so expensive. I am not recommending anyone buys this. The first time I saw it actually was, um, there's a disc golfer who uses it because they

1:37:35are just to save money. They're driving everywhere, but she's really into working out. So this is her mobile workout station when she's at tournaments and stuff. So, um, you know, I like seeing things that are really, really, really well made, even if they cost an insane amount of money, like the Dyson toothbrush. But yeah, this seems, I mean, the build quality is crazy. It's well made. I've been having a fun time with just in the garage and it's easy to just switch between like everything. The apps on so nice. Would you say this is a startup or is it like established? I don't know enough about them. I don't know why they sent it to us, but there was a startup like, well, I mean, in

1:38:08the world of fitness equipment, like this is a niche thing to be doing rather than free weights, but it is like very high quality. It's just really good. And the screen is really responsive and the app, it looks pretty decent. And as far as I know, it's only one product with a bunch of accessories for the same product. So like, it feels like their only thing they've made. Um, yeah. Again, crazy expensive. Crazy. Don't go buy it unless you're ready to spend $3,000 or whatever. Um, but it's well made and I'm going to be really sad when I put it in the gym at the

1:38:39new office. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. Cool. Um, is that everything? I guess that's everything. That was fun. Only one thing left to do, which is give me trivia points. And then unveil the iPhone fold live on the podcast. I forgot one important disclaimer, which is that radio garden. The, the thing I said, uh, is not available in the UK or Turkey or in the UK. You can only listen to UK radio stations and in Turkey you could not. What? It doesn't work. Uh, copyright law, like international copyright.

1:39:11No wonder they had pirate radio. Can you do a marker? Oh yeah. You have so many markers. You see that movie pirate radio? Yeah. I haven't seen it. It's a movie. One of those. I know the general gist of, of what it's about. Yeah. It's what Johnny Depp brought. Yeah. They broadcast radio from the sea and then the UK government's very angry at them about

Trivia and sign off

1:39:31it. Yeah. The sound bar. The sound bar. Or the egg. Or the egg. And by egg, I mean stereo. Did you press the button? Wait. Damn. You did that so sneaky. Sound bar or what? Or stereo, uh, cable TV broadcast. That's not cable. Is it cable? Whatever. Stereo TV broadcast. MTS. To ask a clarifying question. Sure. There are only two answers. Okay. That this could be correct. Yeah. It could either be sound bar or stereo. There's not a trick question of they came out the same month or something.

1:40:01Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. I would just say stereo as the buzzer, even though I gained no ground on them. I'm happy to get a credit point. I was gonna say that's the most useless point. Telesound, model 1300. Um, it had this, a thing that was kind of popular back in the day called duophonic, where

1:40:34you take a mono signal and it kind of tricks your brain into thinking good sort of stereo. But it did have actual stereo capabilities because laser discs and I think VCR tape like VHS tapes at the time had stereo sound. So you could watch some stuff in stereo, just your TV wasn't in stereo. TV, stereo broadcast sort of became a thing about four years later. Cool. So with that, Marques now has two points. Let's go. Double them up. Double them up. You ever double up your points?

1:41:04That's crazy. Andrew and David tied at five. Yeah, whatever. Tied. That's not that far. Yeah, you're not that far. It was just four to one for a while. That was a tough one. When Google Find Hub first launched in 2013, what was it called? Oh, Marques is about to get another point. Maybe. We'll see.

1:41:24Everyone's right in a way. You guys all didn't even think about it. Actually, I think I remember. A lot of confidence here. I think I remember it now. I hope I'm right. This would be embarrassing. Yeah, actually, I think this is correct. We'll see. We'll see. By the way, there's a taco truck thread. I saw that. Did you see the Taco Bell ice cream taco? I did. The Churro. Like a Choco Taco. They're doing. I know. I'm so excited. Choco Taco is the best packaged ice cream treat possible.

1:41:54I was going to cut this and now I can't. I know. It's so good. And they're doing an ice cream taco. That's a big claim. The best packaged ice cream. I think it's true. It is really, really good. It's a chocolate chip cookie. Ice cream sandwich? No. There's a lot. Ice cream sandwiches are good, but they're not better. Klondike bars are good, but such a mess. The chewiness of the shell of the Choco Taco is unmatched. Peanuts on ice cream is so slept on. Okay. That's like a, like one. I agree. It's better than PB&J combo wise. I don't know about that. My issue with Klondike bars is the last quarter is like the two pieces of chocolate are slipping

1:42:28on the ice cream and you're like. I hate all the challenges I have to do just to get one. A Klondike bar? What would you do? Yeah. Oh, sorry. Whatever. No, that was funny. That was good. That was good. All right. Flip, I'm going to read. What do we got? Okay. Who wants to go first? I wrote find my Android.

1:42:47So close. I just wrote find. Find? Google find. Wrong. I wrote find my, find my device. Find my device. What? No. And I was going to give you the point, Marques, until I saw David had the correct actual answer. David, why? Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Well, there it is. It is very, I will give you, Marques, Google did call everything blank Android before they eventually just moved over. Was it at some point called find my Android after that?

1:43:18I doubt it. It actually used to be called Google Keep. Maybe. That actually. And Google Drive was the car Android Auto? Okay. Anyway. Cool. So I have six? Six. Whatever.

1:43:32I don't even care about Trivial. I don't even care about Trivial. I don't even care about Trivial points. Whatever. Whatever. I didn't even care. Thanks for watching. Thank you for listening. Next week. Let's embrace Tech-tember together. Next week. And then Tech-tober. And then Tech-vember. We're ready for this wild ride with you all. Yeah. It's going to be fun. Keep inflating our views. Thank you.

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