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1:30That I always say. That I always say. Yeah. I do? Yeah. At least in David and I's mind green. Oh, was that Bulbasaur? Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Good job. Wait, when do I ever say that?

1:45Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. We're all finally back in one room. Took a few weeks, but we did it. We did it. We're back. And right on time for Tech-Tember. Technically, it's not yet Tech-Tember as we record this, but in today's episode, we have Pixel 11's, Apple launched the M6 chip, the M5 Max, the M5 Ultra. We have nothing OS 5, and somehow also our first render slash leak of the Galaxy S27 Ultra. So if it's not Tech-Tember, it's at least Gadget Season, we're back.

2:22If that's not the most SEO intro we've ever done, I don't know what is. That's true. Pixel 11 Pro. Nintendo Switch 2. Yeah, I took stock of all the things that are coming up in the next month or so, and Gadget Season is back, baby. Your screenshot gave me a heart attack. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff. We're going to have a lot of 1 out of 10s on this podcast in the next few weeks. It's going to be good. If you want to keep up with all this stuff, I would highly suggest hitting the little subscribe button. I almost said little red subscribe button, but it's not red anymore. But hit the subscribe button so that you're, you know, first to be updated when all this stuff gets talked about.

YouTube app subscription padding

2:56Okay. But first, does anyone have a, did they even test this? I do. And I already confirmed that this is also an issue with Atoms. Yeah. But I looked at your, anyways, my YouTube subscriptions tab on mobile. On Android. On Android. I can already tell you they don't test that. Okay. I want you, I'm really mad that right now the number one thing showing is, oh no, it kind of went away. You can still kind of see it. I have a recording of it, but the, what's it called? Padding. Yeah. Is super messed up.

3:28It's like zero pixels. Right now. So before it was showing shorts first, the three like vertical shorts on top, the bottom of them were touching the thumbnail of the video underneath. And then as you scroll through, look how close the channel names are to each next video. Actually here, wait, look at the shorts. Yeah. So it's kind of like. Do you see this? It's bad. It's touching. They're touching. There's a pixel. It's a pixel too. It's a pixel. It's a best case. And so on your pixel, not an issue, right?

3:58Looks fine on mine. Your iPhone, not an issue? Looks fine on my iPhone, yeah. Can you look at yours? It's bad again too, though. It looks fine? What is happening? It looks like yours is iPhone, but on Adam's pixel, there's no update available for that? I can't find it again. Like it's not happening now, but when we checked this morning, it was happening. Subscriptions tab, right? Yes. And I can swipe away, totally close YouTube, open it back up, and I am still doing the exact same thing. Maybe one random build. It's back. Yours is doing it again? Okay, I had to make, this was one that was like felt so specific, I had to check with someone else, but the fact that Adams is doing it too.

4:32Yeah. It looks awful. Sorry. That like made me so bad when I looked at it yesterday. Yeah. Also, when I kept checking last night for it to work, every time I reopened YouTube, it just reopened it as a short play, which was really weird. Oh, that's happened to me before. Why? It's weird that they kind of seem to treat like the Shorts feed and the YouTube app as like not separate, but as different instances. So if I have a long form video playing and then I open a short, it will full screen and play the short. And then when I leave the short, the long form video instantly resumes.

5:03Has that ever happened to you? Whoa. No. They're like two different instances. That happens to me, but it doesn't always work. Like I'll, not every time, but a lot of times the long form will just keep playing while the short is playing. That's happened. And I can tell it's not supposed to do that. Yeah. But yeah, that's happened to me as well. Yeah. And so that sometimes gets kind of weird. Yeah. I don't really watch YouTube Shorts at all. I know they've had a lot of growth, but I don't really watch them at all. Hmm. Yeah. That's actually pretty impressive. It's hard to avoid. Yeah. They're kind of shoved in your face in the app. Yeah. I guess I don't watch a lot of YouTube videos on my phone.

5:35And when I do, I have the screen off. Hmm. So. Yeah. That's funny. Most of the YouTube I watch on my phone is Shorts and then longer form stuff I watch on my TV. Yeah. I watched, I watch YouTube videos on my projector and that's about it. I forgot how weird all of our YouTube watching is. It's very strange. Yeah. You watch it on, in your pocket with the screen off. You watch it on a projector. You watch it on a TV. On a TV. I do screen off in the car to listen all the time. Yeah. Or I do Shorts. Every video is a podcast. I don't do any of those things. You want to talk about weird YouTube.

6:05I open my YouTube app and I'm two hours and nine minutes into a three hour and 49 video. You want to know what the video is? It's the 1995 American League at the ALDS. Game five. Like uninterrupted broadcast? Yeah. Yankees and Mariners. Oh my goodness. Nice. Yeah. You know, we all have very different ways of using YouTube. I'm about to get on a flight this afternoon and I have downloaded a bunch of videos, but it's a Starlink flight, so I didn't have to. Oh. You still should. I will never fully trust internet on a plane.

6:35I can tell you. Last time I got on the plane, it was like, nevermind, we don't have Starlink. And you were like, damn it. Yeah. If you get on a United regional flight that has Starlink on it, I promise you don't need to download anything. It's fast. I promise. It's phenomenally fast. I just want to play Dota on it. How much does it cost? Free. It's free. Yeah. You know, it's funny. If you don't have Starlink, it costs $8. And if they do have Starlink, it's free. So it's $8 for the worst Wi-Fi. For pretending you have internet? Yeah. The bad Wi-Fi. And for the amazing Wi-Fi, it's free. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. It's crazy.

7:06I had somebody blip me something while I was on flight. I forgot. A couple flights ago, I got a blip. Really? And I accepted it and it was fine. Part of me wants to- What was the blip? It was from, I think Harper captioned a short and like blipped it to me while I was flying. Really? And I downloaded it. I thought it was a random person. No, no, no. Yeah. It was great. So it feels like if someone on a plane blips something to someone else on another plane, it would make the plane crash. I don't know why, but my brain is just like- The flights like sync up and like fly the same direction. I don't know what it is, but- You can play RuneScape on the plane now. You might have to start playing RuneScape again.

7:38100%. That's a perfect plane game. I saw somebody FaceTiming. Oh, I don't want to do that. You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to FaceTime? But you can. You're not supposed to do video calls or even audio calls on planes. I think you're just not supposed to have it on speaker. That's just because it's annoying to other passengers. I think you're not supposed to even do any kind of audio call. I think that that's a rule. Oh. Yeah. With Starlink, people have been breaking that rule. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Pixel 11 lineup thoughts

8:03Well, your YouTube glitch on the pixels has reminded me that we all have lots of pixels here in this room. And we haven't actually finished talking about our final thoughts on Pixel 11s. Yeah. So we might as well do that Pixel 11 lineup thoughts. Yeah. My full review is in the works. So if you want that detailed deep dive and cinema, stay tuned for that. But I have been daily driving the Pixel 11 Pro in matte black for, by the time you hear this, close to three weeks, I think. Pro or Pro XL?

8:33Pro XL. Good call. Pro XL. I went back to the regular Pro this year and I usually use the XL. So I kind of was wishing I was using the XL, to be honest. It's another one of those phones that I really like and will not be recommending to almost anyone ever.

8:48It's funny. We've talked about in the past how the Pro phones are harder to recommend because of how good the base phones have gotten. Yeah. It's more true than ever. The Pro phones have less RAM than last year's Pro phones. They start at the same amount of RAM as the regular phone. So they're even closer together. You still have three cameras. You still have a bright display. You still have all this stuff. The reason to spend an extra $200 or whatever it is for the Pro phone, matte black rails, I guess. Like a slightly better set of cameras. Better cameras.

9:19Faster night sight. Yeah. You guys are forgetting Highlight. Highlight? It's the best feature. So Highlight isn't a good reason to buy the Pro. I give you five reasons to buy the Pro. Pink, green, white. Yeah. Whatever the other two colors are. I don't know. This makes my eyes bleed. It's very bright. That's the fuchsia one? Yeah. This is the non-pro fuchsia. Yeah. It hurts. It's a nice color. I like it. It's a nice color. It's a commitment to the color, too. It's not just like, oh, we heard you liked colors.

9:49So here's a splash of, we're thinking about. Touching this phone. So this is the standard Pixel 11. It reminds me how much I wish they would put the matte rails on all of the Pro color phones. I do, too. On the black, it's cool. I'm glad that they committed to the bit. Appreciate that. Yeah. Appreciate that. Definitely didn't do that just for you, of course. But I would really like this on the green and on the dune color. I don't know. It's, yeah. Yeah. So why do you not want to recommend these phones to anybody?

10:19Just because they're so similar and because last year is almost better in some ways? So it's specifically the upgraded phones over the base. So the only one I could really recommend to most people is the Pixel 11. Okay. The Pixel 11 is now $800 now. Yeah, $899. And for a $900 phone, like, you can get a lot of phones. You can get a OnePlus 15. You can get a Find X9 or whatever. Like, there are lots of really nice phones with crazy multiple cameras and super fast charging batteries and all this stuff.

10:50But if you're getting a Pixel, it's because you want the Pixel experience. You want all of the software, Android 17 out the box, all that stuff. And that's great. And you get it. And the hardware is fine. But the second you start thinking about, oh, I might want to get the Pro or the Pro XL or the Pro Fold. Well, you have to find another couple hundred more dollars of value in that. And I don't see that in those phones. Yeah. Especially not the Pro or the Pro XL. Yeah. Even though I like using them. Yeah. And they're totally fine phones. So that's the general thesis. The Pro Fold is like back to being fine because all the folds are expensive and it has the

11:26IP68 angle. It has the Google software experience angle. So there are reasons you could get that phone. And it looks cooler. The camera bar is cooler this year. It's nice to use closed too. I like it. Yeah. But yeah, they're fine phones.

Gemini intelligence hands-on test

11:41I have a question.

Gemini intelligence hands-on test

11:42Did you use Gemini Intelligence a lot during your testing? Not any more than I was on any other phone. Okay, because I was like pressure testing the hell out of it. And Gemini Intelligence, for people that don't know, is like the experience where randomly a little Gemini chip will pop up on your screen when it thinks it can do something for you. So one of the examples is like if you want to make a reservation at a – if someone texts you and they said, did you make that reservation at this restaurant, then a little chip will pop up that's like, make the reservation.

12:13A couple of things. One, the animation they show on their website is completely different and way cleaner than the actual process that happens when this happens. Number two, the thing that actually happens is this little chip pops up. You have to have OpenTable installed. It only works for OpenTable. You have to go into the settings of the phone and then go to the Gemini Intelli – Proactive Assistance. And then you have to go and you have to click OpenTable on. So everything's off by default, which generally I'm like opt-in is better. In this case, the fact that they don't really tell you which integrations work with Gemini

12:48Intelligence. Like there's not really a list. And then you have to go in and just manually tick on every single option. And then the process of making it work is just so convoluted. Like you'll – it'll be like, make a reservation. You tap a button. And the only way to make this chip pop up is if someone texts you and says, can you make a reservation at this place at this time? On this day? On this day. So it's either date or time. But it's this place and date or time.

13:20And if they do not say those exact two things in the text, it will not pop up. And Google doesn't tell you what you need to make these chips pop up. So – and also, I don't know. So my other angle in this is like if someone is going to text you to ask you to make the reservation and you're going to have your AI do it, why don't they just have their AI do the reservation? You know what I mean? Like why would you text someone else and say, can you make this reservation and just set it – instead of just on your Gemini phone, just being like, make the reservation?

13:50I don't know. I think they're assuming the person is just like – you were like, oh, yeah, let's go there. I'll make a reservation. And now they're just being like, oh, did you make it for this time? Yeah, but it's such a narrow use case. It is a very narrow use case. It's also funny because, what, three or four years ago at IO, they were telling us about how like our phones would be able to call places and make reservations. That was like a long time ago. Yeah, with no – and that didn't work because no restaurant person wanted to talk to the robot that called them. And now we're like, oh, now if someone texts you exactly the date and time and place, maybe

14:27if you have this app installed with these permissions checked off, our AI might be able to get it 50% of the time. Here's another funny one. Okay. So another integration with Gemini Intelligence is that if you have a grocery list on Google Keep – I do. Yes. Okay. I know that that's not common, but I do. Can I make a guess at what I want this to be before you tell me? Sure. Because I have like – you said this exactly. Yeah. If it could ask which grocery store I'm going to and rearrange it based on the aisle numbers

14:58at that grocery store, that is my like number one thing I want one to do. So whatever you say now will disappoint. Not even close. Okay. I'm going to tell you how this works. So the only like – it has like some grocery integrations, but it's like got Costco and it's got Instacart. Okay. You have to have these apps installed on your phone. You have to have a grocery list in Google Keep. It can't just be called grocery list. It has to be called like Instacart or something. The title of the Google Keep like list has to be like Instacart shopping list or like something

15:33or like Costco shopping list. Oh, that's dumb because when you add something to the grocery list, that means you have to have a list in Keep called groceries. Yes. So that's a different list. I – you know, we – this might not be the same forever, but when we were testing this extensively, we had it just called grocery shopping list and it didn't work and we changed it to be called Instacart shopping list and then it did work. That's crazy. So you have to have a shopping list in Google Keep, which is already really specific and it has to be called something specific so that Gemini Intelligence can know that it's a shopping list even though it apparently can't just be called shopping list and then it will

16:08like suggest meals based on the things that you have in your shopping list that will open up Instacart and like be like, you should buy these items. It's just like the way that I put this in my review was like it feels like these were made in the like Silicon Valley society if utopia factory where some CEO was like, I want to do 5% less work. So this extremely specific set of scenarios and use cases that I have in my life, we're

16:39going to ship for everybody. I would almost even say it feels like big idea, so many restrictions. We have to narrow it down to the smallest idea possible where we hope we can nail a demo of it and Google doesn't tell you what those parameters are. That's the other thing. Like they don't tell you what you need to actually invoke these things and that's what's confusing and I get it. I talked to them and they were like, well, we don't we don't want to make it pop up too often, right? We don't want to accidentally invoke these chips, but they don't tell you what the parameters

17:11of actually invoking the chips are in the first place. It is really interesting. It's almost like the opposite of like the Tesla approach where they'll get on stage and be like, yeah, your car will just be able to drive on any street at any time all the time. It'll fly. And you're like, wait, all the time? And you're like, well, there will be some roads where you ask it and it'll mess up and you'll have to like take control and then turn it back on later. But like just for the sake of simplicity, like it'll work all the time on everything. And you're like, geez, that's a big claim. And Google's on the other side like, yeah, so if you wanted to book a concert ticket after

17:42you see a poster that has all the details for the concert dates and times on it and you take a picture of it with our app and then you enable the permissions, it'll probably book those tickets for you. And the concert's on Ticketmaster. Yeah. And you went into the settings and you checked it out. Yeah. It's ironic to me because I feel like the way that Gemini has been pitched in the past has been Google understands what's on your screen. It agentically reads what's happening on your phone. You don't need to have these app hooks like Apple has.

18:12Like Siri, these developers build in these API tools to make it so Siri can access these apps and agentically use the apps for you. And Google's mentality, it seems like what they've been pitching is that you don't really have to do any of this. And Gemini just knows what's happening and it can just figure it out. Yeah. But that's not what they're shipping with Gemini Intelligence. Proactive assistants. It's very specific. It feels like AI, the dream AI for so long is like, I want a personal assistant that knows everything about me.

18:43Every AI that I've seen has felt like you hire the personal assistant and it is their first day every single day where they're way too scared to do anything. It's like if you ask your assistant to like fix the grocery list and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, I got that. What kind of butter do you like? Oh, is it okay if I get 2% milk? Oh, okay, cool.

19:02Prime or select choice? Steak. Just like it has to ask you every single thing to that point. It's like, I'm just kind of doing this myself. It reminds me of my first week ever working here and I felt like I had to ask you permission for every single small thing that I wanted to do. So theoretically, there's a time where you get over that hump and it knows all your preferences and then it's really good. And I want to give them a little credit because I'd rather that happen than it just go full blown. For sure. On the other side, Google, this is a little off topic, but I had my first time where Google, at least I noticed, took a stack of photos and did the face swap thing without telling

19:37me about it. Oh, yeah. I thought best take was an option and I took three pictures really quick of Lane and Owen where one Owen's looking, one's Lane looking, and then it added a third one. Sorry, I took two and then added the third one and I didn't even notice, but like this little tiny pop-up came that went like, this is the best take. It's using two photos. I was like, wait, wait, wait. And then that disappeared and I clicked another little icon that's just like an image, a little badge. Yeah. And it said it did that. And I was like, I did not want you to do that.

20:09I am fine. I was pro that thing if you're picking it, but don't. Do it without me asking. Yeah. And now my gallery is the fake photo, which was like, it was kind of funny of the one of Lane smiling in Owen's head in like a blur because he's like ripping around. So. It's funny because that's the exact demo that they would have given like when they unveiled that feature was you take three photos and two of them have good faces. Yep. And let me choose. And let me choose. Yes. He chose for you. Yeah. So anyway, I don't know. I just, I just felt that it was weird.

20:39And the Gemini intelligence product of assistance was like a big part of this launch. And it's just such a specific thing that is probably going to work for like two CEOs in Silicon Valley and nobody else. Yeah. And they're going to think it's a huge success. Yeah. Because it works kind of sometimes. Yeah. But your point about your point about the pros just being like not that different. Like I was very impressed with the camera quality. Yeah. I feel like the cameras actually got significantly better this year. They're really good. They are really good cameras. I've taken, we had the Eclipse, we went to Spain, then I went to Ireland for a week and

21:11then I've come back here. And I've, I just left on a 50 megapixel mode and I just haven't really had any issues and it's just been crushing photos all the time. Although every time you take a 50 megapixel photo now, it has a little thing that's like processing high res image that lasts like five seconds. It takes a little bit, but I usually am just snapping and then putting my phone away. And so when I go check it later, it's all, it's all there. That's true. So that's true. This, uh, you not recommending the pro one feels like pixel has done this before. I think on like the seven, the six or the seven don't, no one stopped everybody.

21:44No one, we, no one made the meme to audio listeners. Um, but the problem was, is back then both of the phones felt like good deals where I'm pretty sure the pro at that point cost as much as the regular does now. It was like a 690 or like 699 or 599 to 899 difference. I remember that specifically. My framing was slightly different. I remember back then my framing, cause I got, I got crap for this, but I was saying the, the base pixel is such a good deal that it makes the also good, also good deal pro look

22:20like not a good deal because they're right next to each other and you're like, Oh, why would I get that? This, this base one is an incredible deal. So people heard that and they were like, why are you calling the pro a bad deal? I'm not, I'm just saying next to the base one, that's an amazing deal. Now in 2026, I'm saying this base pixel is the only one that I could theoretically call a good enough deal. And then the further you go from that base pixel, the worse it gets. Clearly not a good deal. And it's fine. Cause you know, phones in 2026 are probably just not a good deal in the first place with

22:50this a ramp shortage. But yeah, that's, that's where we're at. I heard a lot of people being like at this point, just by the 10 a, like the 10 a is probably close enough to the 11. Yeah. There were just the, just get the 10 or yeah. Just a used 10 or something. I don't know. People need to buy more used tech by the way. Like we need to stop always needing to buy the newest, newest, newest, especially when they get seven years of software updates. I also find it funny because if you go to the Google store right now, I haven't found a single place that just listed as $899.

23:22It always says from $399 with $899 crossed off. Like they are putting some wild trade-in deals and they are just trying to make it seem like, yeah. Which to be fair, Adam got the 512 gigabyte pro for $49 by trading in S. What? He traded in Zuri for it? No, I just traded in the S26 Ultra and you get a slightly worse phone. Yeah. The S26 Ultra, isn't that like a $1,100? Yeah, but Adam bought the 512 gig version of a pro phone.

23:52So that phone is what? $1,399 or something? Something like that. Oh, Jesus. $1,299? For $49? So it came with like a pre-order deal where you get it X amount off. And it was cheaper through Google Fi as well. Yeah. And it was cheap. Had I gotten the 256, I think I would have gotten money back. They would have owed me money. He's giving you cash on the spot. Please take our Pixel. Adam has some bookies ready to break his ankles somewhere. He's in debt for something that he doesn't know about. Well, he's going to have that Pixel for two weeks and then he's going to trade it in for the iPhone Fold. No, because Apple doesn't give good trading deals on Pixels.

24:24They don't care about us. That's true. The Pixel, they spit on Pixels, dude. We'll recycle that for you. Yeah. Yeah, we'll recycle it for you for free. Okay, last thing I want to say about the Pixel. I just want to bring up... The looks? No, no, no. Camera looks, whatever. But the highlight thing. We didn't really talk about it substantially. Did you notice how the flash is way less bright because of highlight? Yeah, I didn't notice that until like yesterday or the day before. I went to use the flashlight as a torch in the dark because I couldn't see. And I turned it all the way down because you can adjust the brightness.

24:55Yeah. And I was like, whoa, this gets really dim. And I turned it back up and I was like, wait. This doesn't get very bright. Do you think that's because it's using less LEDs or because the diffusion is so strong on it to make it seem more whimsical? Less LEDs. Less LEDs. Yeah. Because it's now giving a big section of what's behind that diffusion to highlight. Yeah. Which doesn't matter. Because usually over the flash has this kind of like lens looking. Yeah. But the, do you, can I see one of the, with the highlight?

25:25Yeah, usually it's like a focus. It's like not a lens. It's just like a super diffused circle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's dimmer. It's dimmer and highlights completely and totally useless. Except for people who have their phone face down and get lots of phone calls. From their favorite. There's somebody out there who's like, yay, finally, a feature that I'll use. But that's, but if I getting a phone call, you can see this. I never have my phone face down. Yeah. I don't know, man. I have my phone face down a lot, but I don't get phone calls at all.

25:59Yep. Like if I get a phone call, it's a spam call. So like, my pitch to Marquez for an intro skit for this review was, um, him like setting up his mom as like the color green or whatever so that he never misses her calls whenever he's working. And it's just him working in all these scenarios and it's never blinking, never blinking. And then it finally lights up. He's like, oh, my mom's calling. And he picks up and she goes, I've been texting you for three hours. Where are you? Why have you not answered? Yeah. The only time I have my phone face down is when I'm like getting dinner or a drink with a friend.

26:29And it's like a sign of respect to put your phone face down. Yeah. It's performative. It's performative. I take it out of my pocket and I put it face down on the table. Literally. Not using my phone. It's not different than keeping it in your pocket. It's, it's performative. Yeah. It's funny. So anyway, that's all I wanted to say. Well, there was a teardown and they found that all of the LEDs inside it are RGB. So why? Yeah. So that's, that was the thing that we were talking about on the pod in Spain, which is that red isn't one of the colors, which seems like it should be.

27:00And it could be. And it absolutely could be. Yeah. They just didn't make it one of the colors. Well. So strange. Somebody vibe coded like a, uh, like a highlight app that makes it light up for notifications and stuff. They let you choose whatever color you want, including red. So I don't know why Google is so against red. Yeah. But they just hate red. This is one of those things where like, this is like a multi, multi trillion dollar company and they've, they've announced this new feature. And some, and sometimes there's like a, like in cars, this happens where you'd be like,

27:31Oh, there's a tuner community out there. Who's like, Oh, we have different spring rates and, and different accessories for the car to make it better. And you're like, what, what do you think you know that BMW doesn't know? Like, what do you, are you really going to make a car better than the manufacturer? And you're like, yeah, probably not, but it's just the way we like it. But then we get to this phone and we're like, yeah, we're going to make it way better than Google ever thought to make it because somehow they completely missed like 75% of the functionality that this could have had overnight, by the way, like someone vibe coded this. And I'm like, in a day, if they vibe coded it, why couldn't Google just add like a, and

28:05now they're like, we're thinking about adding functionality for text messages and Google messages. And I'm like, what? Knowing the way that Google works, somebody at Google said that. And then they said it in a way that hopefully it would get back to the engineering team that is supposed to make that happen. Cause they don't even, they don't even know. They don't even talk to each other. They don't even know who that guy is. Yeah. And so that team is going to see it and they'll be like, Oh, I should make this work with Google messages. Okay. Then there's 30 layers of red. And then they'll have to approve it. And there's just like another building of people who are like, what's Google messages?

28:37I thought we had seven other messages. I thought we used Hangouts. Yeah. And that app couldn't just change the colors. It could do different apps doing different things. Yeah. Like it could do everything. To be fair, it had to be like sideloaded. And I thought I read that every time you rebooted your phone, you had to reboot the app or something. It seemed very complicated. With Shizuku, I think it's called, is that app that lets you install apps like these. It's annoying and difficult. It took me like an hour and a half. I kept walking over to Andrew like, okay, text me now. And I put the phone down on his desk and he would text me and it would vibrate and nothing

29:08would happen. It never worked. And I'd be like, damn it. We got to work eventually. Yeah. It was more to us proof that all of the things could have happened on this phone, especially when you are the person who makes the phone and could have a couple colors. Well, and it's like if Google was not a multi-trillion dollar company, they could have seen this backlash and then like made it work within a day or two. And they could have had a really good community. Oh, that'd be great PR. It would have been amazing PR to be like, you guys are right. We heard you. We're releasing an update next week that has all this functionality.

29:38Highlight feels like a true, did they even test this? They did not. At all. Like usually when companies are launching big features, they have internal focus groups. They have all sorts of testing that they do ahead of time with like groups inside the company to make sure they're not missing anything. And it'll be used the way they think customers will use it. This didn't get that clearly. Yeah. I don't even want to blame engineers because it seems so obvious that I have to assume one engineer got the job of like, oh, I'm going to make the defaults for these five colors. Like someone else must be working on the color wheel. Like my job must just be the favorites or the defaults.

30:11Someone else has the color wheel. You know, it's great. Can't wait to see the finished feature. At our hands-on event, they had a giant pixel camera bar on the wall and you could hit a big button and it would make highlight glow with like the Gemini colors. And I'm like, the prop designer did a lot of work. They got a good job. Marketing team saw the pitch and was like, oh yeah, we'll make this look cool. Did we ever get any clarity into like the color wheel filter? No, it wasn't that. It's a circle of LED lights and each of those LEDs are RGB. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

30:41It's not the color wheel filter. Yeah, it's not. The color wheel. Wheel. You got me. Thank you, everyone. You're welcome. You want to know my conspiracy theory for this? What? I think they're saving it for a pixel drop. Dude, you mean they should do DLC? A feature? Yeah, DLC. To be like, oh, look at this. And a whole new thing your phone can do in two months, like in December. It's called red. It's called red. I think they should have, and this is maybe, I'm not the expert. I don't work for Google, but I think they should have made this work for messages, phone calls, a whole bunch of other apps.

31:12You should have a bunch of colors and a bunch of customization. And then in future drops, you can hear what other people would like to be able to do with it that's more creative, that wouldn't obviously be stuff that we think of, and then add that later. In the Nexus days, we could do whatever the hell we wanted. The glowing trackball from what the, literally the first Nexus phone. This X, the S, the very first Nexus phone. I think what makes this more frustrating is Google themselves kind of did that weird, was it in IO where they showed a bunch of like clips and there was the guy in the mirror holding

31:44his Pixel and we all thought Pixel Glow was going to be around the camera bar. So we were all like, that's going to be so nuts. And then that was our expectations. Now we went down to just little dot and we were like, okay, it's still a notification LED. It can be sick. And then they gave us a five color call only. And that's my thing is that the Pixel Glow thing has been, it was leaked like six months early. They had so much time to add any functionality to this. And for six months, they were like, should we add green? How about yellow?

32:16What's your favorite color? White. What if you're talking to Gemini without looking at your screen? That's all they care about. You hit the nail on the head. They don't want LED notifications. But nobody does that. They want Gemini. I sometimes use Gemini voice mode, but I like to see what it says on the screen while I'm using it. Maybe this is the proxy for exactly how Google thinks about the Pixel, which is it's just a vessel for Gemini. And if you put this phone across the room, face up, and you say, hey, G, then you see the light turn on and you're like, all right, I'm talking to it. And then it's responding.

32:46But they must believe that people are talking to Gemini so often that when it's face down, they still want to make sure it's hearing them. So they add a little light on the back so we can make sure everyone knows, okay, I'm talking to Gemini and it's face down now. That's the thing that they think. It's at least the user behavior they want. Yeah. I've thought a lot about like the they're kind of getting back to their whole ambient computing thing with like Google Home and now the AI is just a vessel to make the ambient computing work because they released the new smart speaker and everything and they're

33:17trying to put more surfaces in your life that you can interact with Gemini through. So it makes sense to have your phone be one of those surfaces and have it be able you be able to actually see when you're interacting with Gemini all the time. And it's just that I just don't think that that's a user interaction that people do naturally. It's my phone is so rarely face down like this. And if your phone like lights up when you say, hey, G on the screen, that's not a problem. Like, I don't I don't see why. Why would you have it phased out? I don't know. It's like maybe if you say, hey, G at your house, you can tell if you're speaking to

33:47your phone or your your. Yeah, but your phone would light up anyway if you did that. Yeah. I sort of understand like the narrative point of like giving your phone a thing that's like just for Gemini. Like it makes a statement that like Gemini is that they care. No, that and more than that, it's like it's like it's this standalone thing that like you say is ambient. It's always there and it will appear in this spot like this is it's like it's a narrative storytelling thing. I think it's stupid, but I think I think I get it. I don't mind that it can be that signal for Gemini if your phone is down.

34:21I have my phone down all the time. That's why I want this to be a notification dot. The thing is, is don't ship it as the thing you all expect the people to use it for and then half ass the rest of it. Ship a good thing that most people will use. And then there's the option of the Gemini thing. I think more people use Gemini if they're all in the customizations of highlight of I can make my mom text message this color and I can make any important people from work calling this color. If you can do all that customization, then you'll see the Gemini tab and what it can do face down. And you're probably more likely to actually use the feature.

34:54Instead, they're forcing it down our throats and pretending to throw us a bone that's half chewed. This is a question that I want to ask the Google engineers of all of the face down pixels in the world. Do you think more people get text messages or use Gemini? And I know what they want it to be. What do you really think? They're getting text from Gemini because Gemini is in Google messages now. I feel like the only way the engineers of the PMs were able to get this feature is by tying it to Gemini in some way.

35:24You have to get the feature approved by the higher ups, which means it has to be a Gemini feature first. That's probably true. Yeah. Because when Microsoft made them dance or whatever, they went out and they were like, oh, we're an AI first company now. They literally restructured Android around Gemini. So I bet you they have some sort of benchmark where they have to connect it to Gemini. Every new feature probably has to be connected to Gemini in some way. Which is why the GPU of Tensor never gets better because it doesn't help Gemini at all.

35:56And there are still 20,000 leagues. Yeah, but their TPUs got better. Their TPUs got better. And that's why Gemini is faster and all the AI stuff is doing better. But have you seen the benchmark results? Yeah, it's bad. Oh my God. And I will say, I will say, I do want to note that I was, I kind of take back part of what I said on our Eclipse week episode where I was like, I don't take it back. I look, I said what I said. I still think that Google's. Why are you booing me? I'm right. I still think that Google's mentality is we're focused on AI.

36:27We're focused on Gemini. We're not focusing on the fastest single thread CPU speed for your Genshin impact, right? That's not what they're benchmarking it against. They're not making a OnePlus phone. But when I was, when I was reviewing this phone, there was some stuttering and I was like, oh, like in Google Maps, Google Maps would kind of like lag and sometimes stutter and I was like, I haven't experienced this on a phone in a while. On a new phone. On a new phone. On a brand new $1,000 phone. Yeah. Yeah. So it wasn't like a lot, but it was enough where I was like, oh, I would not, this would

37:01not happen on a regular phone. So I think what you're saying is Tensor can't handle more than five colors in Highlight. That's probably the, that's probably the reason. GPU's not good enough. Yeah. That's the why. AI, AIs don't know how to sell a strawberry. There's no way that they know what the color red is. You know what I mean? Yeah. The GPU is, is a crying shame on Tensor. Well, don't play Genshin impact. You know, it's not a crying shame. You'll be fine.

Samsung Galaxy S27 Ultra leaks

37:23What?

Samsung Galaxy S27 Ultra leaks

37:24Well, actually, TBD. We got the S27 Ultra leaks, the design specifically. This is so early. And I don't know, people are mostly just commentating on the fact that it's a camera plateau now instead of a camera bar. Actually, honestly, the Ultra didn't have a bar at all. It was just like the ring sticking out the back. Yes. And then like the little plateau around each ring. Now it's just a big camera mesa, which, you know. I was literally about to search a synonym for plateau. It's a big camera mesa, kind of like the iPhone. They'll name it space something, I feel like.

37:54The space mesa. Space zoom. Space zoom mesa. I'm just excited that this series won't look exactly the same as the last five years. This thing has not changed what feels like in forever. So just the fact that it's different. I'm like, whoa, cool. Yeah. I can maybe be excited. I think that's why. I think that's why. They're like, yeah, let's change the look just a little bit so we can say we changed the look just a little bit. Yeah. I guess camera plot. So for audio listeners, big old camera plateau on the top mesa mesa.

38:26Now, instead of three cameras down the left side, we have two cameras left aligned. And then it almost looks like to the right of it. It looks like the camera bar from the iPhone X, right? Like two cameras in one singular pill with a flash in between potentially camera and sensor. It kind of looks like a time of flight sensor. A time of flight sensor flash camera. And then the right half of the plateau completely bare. I don't know why, but I kind of dig it. Weirdly bare. Weirdly bare.

38:56Yeah. It's because they don't want it to wobble anymore. The wobble was crazy. That's actually valid. That's obviously valid. But although if this lens sticks out far enough, it will still wobble. Oh, yeah, true. That is fair. We can't tell that yet. Not as much. It's definitely sticking out. It's definitely a wobble. Maybe it'll be like the iPhone Air and the whole phone will be on the right side of the Mesa. You have to assume they're stacking something in there. There's probably one telephoto that folds over sideways, which goes behind the rest of the Mesa. There's probably, I don't know, some GPU up there, which the Tensor doesn't have.

39:31I like it better than the three vertical cameras. I think, yeah. No, I don't mind it. There's a lot of haters because it's, oh, the iPhone, iPhone bad, Android good. I don't care why everyone credits the iPhone for the Plateau. Yeah, we actually had it way longer. That's actually the same. It looks exactly like a Xiaomi phone. But now that the iPhone has it, that's the way people react to it. That's true. I think the people who are mad comparing it to the iPhone probably aren't the actual iPhone. The iPhone people who would call this iPhone started it don't give a shit about this phone. So it's just Android people hating iPhones so much that they themselves are comparing it to an iPhone.

40:05I actually like camera mesas slash visors because I've said it before. That's where I like rest my finger on the back of the phone. It's a little thing. It's a subtle thing. Do you want to call it the butte? Because a butte is a flat top till similar to a Mesa, but typically smaller and taller than it is wide. No. I think a butte is, yeah, I think this is a Mesa more than a butte. Yeah, I guess you're right. Maybe this is a Mesa. What are you talking about with the Xiaomi being, what? The 11T? The 11. There's been like a Xiaomi, it was, was it Xiaomi or Huawei did one with a whole ass screen on the back?

40:40That was the Xiaomi something ultra? There was a Pocophone that we, that had a giant like full width wise plateau. I know, but that came out after the iPhone. No, it didn't. The 17 Pro came out after the iPhone, I remember. The Xiaomi 11T Ultra is the one that. There are ones from far ago, my little iPhone boy. Back in my day. Look up the Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra. Yeah, no, I see. 11T Ultra. You're right. I was, I take it all back. That is a nice. What was the Among Us Pocophone?

41:11Oh. Yeah, that was a long time. Oh, yeah. Damn, the old Ultra do the iPhone. Yeah. Sure.

41:21Damn, they stole it from Apple three years before Apple did. You know what I, when I wonder sometimes, whatever happened to the camera, the selfie camera cutouts being moved to under the display? Remember that? Yeah. Remember there was a time where. That's true. It's eventually going to go to zero and it's going to be invisible behind. Well, they do that on the full, on the, the, I was going to say that was the last full. They did and then they stopped and went back to a hole punch cutout. They did? Yeah. It was probably just too hazy. And I thought that they committed to it because they thought they had a path to like a good selfie camera.

41:52Apparently not. But you just don't see that anymore. Maybe they just really, people don't care. I'm similar to the bezel video you made. I just don't, the screen to body ratio died. Like no one cares about that anymore. I think we're fine with the little dot in it. I think also selfie cameras became way more important. So taking the hit on. Yeah. Oh yeah. Screen. That's true. I think that selfie cameras have been important for a long time. And I think they realized that nobody was willing to take that massive hit to get the underscreen selfie camera.

42:23And then nobody was willing to like put in the work to make it a really, really good underscreen selfie camera because nobody was making them anymore. Yeah. So we were all just like, okay, there's never any useful UI up in the top or in the corner. They used to all be in the corner. Yeah. Now they're in the top middle. Yeah. And we're just like fine with the whole punch cut out. Yeah. By the way, something else that the Pixel 11 Pro does very well is the selfie camera is really good. Yeah. It's like, I think it's the same one from last year, but it's really good. Yeah, it is really good. It's really good.

42:48The 5X lens too is fire. The 5X lens is way better than it was last year. Yeah. Am I going to keep using the Pixel? Join me. This is what happens to me every year. I know, me too. I use it for like three months and I'm like, I think I'm a, I'm a full-time Pixeler and then I'll go back to the OnePlus 15 and be like, oh right, phones can be fast. Listen, if you just like accept that this cage is golden, it's a beautiful life. Well, now that OnePlus is practically dead everywhere but India, I feel like the OnePlus 15 is going to be the last like true flagship OnePlus phone that you're going to be able to have.

43:20I think I'm going to end up with the S27 Ultra. I'm going to bury you with the OnePlus 15.

43:26Is that a threat? I feel like that's the phone I've used the most in the past like three years probably. Damn. Yeah. That's crazy. Anyway. Anyway. All right. We should take a quick break. We have way more brand new tech to talk about because it's that time of year. But before we take that break, trivia time. All right. I had a whole question about where the front-facing camera was on Pixel phones.

43:57But all this talk about a company making a feature, aka a highlight, that they wanted users to use in a certain way and users didn't use it that way and they didn't adapt, made me want to pivot to one of my favorite trivia facts ever about one of the greatest products ever made, WD-40. Agree. What was it originally? No, hard agree. Okay. And real WD-40 fans may know that while it is popularly used as an industrial lubricant,

44:27it was not originally developed as an industrial lubricant. So my question to my three-way form host today, what does the WD in WD-40 stand for? Why couldn't it just be, what was it developed for? Because that's what it was developed for. Wumbo. Wumbo Dumbo. That's it! David! Wumbo Dumbo-40. I have a guess. I weirdly only knew the first half of this trivia fact. I knew that WD-40 wasn't originally just supposed to be a lubricant, but I don't know the

44:59other half, which is, what was it supposed to be? I know what it's supposed to be, I just don't think I know what that stands for. If you know what it's supposed to be, it should, you probably can arrive at the WD. Yeah. I have a guess. Wumbo. All right. Well, answers will be at the end of the show, like usual. We'll be right back.

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48:39All right. Welcome back. I just want to ask you guys a question real quick. Yep. I know that when I was out, you guys covered the new YouTube views counting metric. Oh, okay. Viewflation, as I've been calling it in the office. Well, we have published a video since the beginning of viewflation, so I'm curious what you guys think the difference is in engaged views versus publicly counted views on our newest video on the bezel-less concept phone. The public view counter is 2.391 million views.

49:13What is the amount of engaged views? It's 20% difference, like 80% of that. Yeah, I'm going 1.8 now. 1.8. I saw, I think Harper posted this at like 1 million. Were you big? And it wasn't a big difference, so I don't know what it would be. Like 100,000 view difference? I don't think it's very much, but I have insider knowledge. Wow. You said that's cheating. I saw that too. Just pretend you did. Yeah, but there's no. Wait, what? I don't lie to our audience, like all of you guys do. Any guesses over there? What is an engaged view?

49:44It's like 20 seconds. An engaged view is the original method. Yeah, they were right. I know it's the original. There's no metric. So there is no default. It's basically YouTube determined that you are a real person who watched it for more than a split second and actually watched the video. More than a frame. Yeah. I always in my head felt like it was like eight or nine seconds, but I don't know why. It used to be seven a long time ago, I think, unless I'm lying to you. YouTube will always say there was never any specific number, a.k.a. we just aren't telling you. I think that video probably has like 1.6 million engaged views.

50:18Okay. So again, the actual public counted views is 2.391 million. The actual engaged views is 2.354 million. Oh my God. So it only added about 50,000 views to the view counter on a 2.3 million view video. Interesting. So hardly a fraction of what we thought, at least in this one case, we have a very small sample size of one single video, but. Wait, I have another question. Yeah. So what is your impression to click rate?

50:50My click through rate is 8%. Oh. Which is just a ratio of impressions to clicks. So 22 million impressions. Okay. Yeah. So that's normal. Interesting. For this age of a video, two days old. But yeah. Interesting. I think we'll see different types of videos have bigger ratios. Like older videos might start to find that they separate more different genre videos that get like suggested a lot, might get a lot of like hover autoplays. So we'll see how that goes. I'm interested in channels that like for real clickbait because a lot of times when something

51:24seems really crazy in the thumbnail, one of the things you do is you hover it to then see that you can immediately tell the video is nothing like what the thumbnail is like and then be like, I'm not watching this. Like a breaking news. Now that gets a view, yeah. Yeah. Something like that. TBD. Anyway. Yeah. Speaking of breaking news, we did get some new products from the fruit company in Cupertino.

Apple M6 and M5 Ultra chips

51:44New Macs. Mac Mini and Mac Studio. These two also have new chips. So it's kind of a new computer story, but mostly a new chip story. The M6 chip is out already. Just the base M6. So we have a new M6 Mac Mini. It's a two nanometer chip. That's very exciting. And there's also a new M5 Pro Mac Mini. There's also a new M5 Ultra chip finally. And they shoved it in a Mac Studio and oh my God, it has all the things.

52:14I may or may not have pre-ordered an M5 Ultra Mac Studio already because it's a studio and I'm going to go with me. So okay, just to summarize, there are two new chips. There's an M6 chip and there's an M5 Ultra chip. And with those new chips, we get a couple of new computers. They've refreshed the Mac Mini. So now there's an M6 Mac Mini and they're throwing in M5 Pro into the Mac Mini, which is also a new computer. And there's a new Mac Studio with the M5 Ultra. No other machine got the M5 Ultra, but that's where the M5 Ultra goes.

52:47So those are the new computers that we can talk about. I think the most interesting one is probably the base M6 Mac Mini because, God, that used to be like the deal of the century for a solid six months or however long it was that you could get one for $500. The base Mac Mini was one of the best deals in the tech world. They update it to M6. Now the base Mac Mini costs $900, which is not even, it's still, it's almost double. It's still an amazing computer. Again, we're in the era of cost inflation, of like everything costs more now.

53:19And also, you know, it's going to be a good computer, but also a better computer. So there's lots more to talk about. I think M6 is going to basically be the fastest single thread chip Apple makes. I mean, it should be, right? Other than maybe the iPhone. Um, and so there's going to be a phenomenal computer, much more capable than the previous one, but yeah, not even close to as cheap. Yeah. Uh, two nanometers now, 170 gigabytes per second, unified memory, uh, 12 core GPU, double the neural engine, I believe. Uh, and lots of improvement over, they usually compare it to M1.

53:50So they're saying, oh yeah, it's two and a half times faster than M1 because they don't compare it to the last gen anymore. They always compare it to the beginning of Apple Silicon. 1.2 times faster, multi-threaded performance compared to M5. Great. Okay. So yeah, 1.2. So 20% faster multi-thread. Yeah. But obviously much, much faster than M1. So great. M6 chip. Now in the future, we can expect to see M6 Pro and M6 Max in that touchscreen MacBook Pro. Yes. Which means it could possibly still come out this year. I was worried that it was going to get pushed to the next year. I think so. I think I'm expecting like an October type of event for this touchscreen OLED MacBook Pro.

54:25I don't even want to know how much it's going to cost, but I do want it. All of it. Yeah. Yes. It's going to cost all of it. Especially if they put an Ultra chip in it. They can't possibly do that. Yeah, probably not. You're right. But speaking of the Ultra chip, that M5 Ultra, oh my God, it's powerful. But can I just say this? So we talked about price on Mac Mini and how it's so much more expensive now. And even in the press release of it, Mini has always been this like, great for students, great for creators. They peppered in so much more talk about LLMs and AI in the press release about using this,

54:57which is probably one of the main reasons it's so high. It's actually, it's so funny, that Twitter clip that's going around of that guy like unpacking all those laptops to like put in his AI server rack. So sad. Two days before this got announced. And they're all like, that guy deserved that. But that was a poor timing. It was a surprise announcement. Like it came out of nowhere. It was, I was going to say this before, the surprise of it was Miles talking to Marques about, I think, an autofocus video. And Marques just completely stopped listening to Miles. And I heard Miles continue to drag on and then go, oh, wait, what is that?

55:30Because Marques had on his screen the new Minis getting launched out of nowhere. When Marques posted in Slack, he said, they dropped this all. And I said, what? Because I think like three hours earlier, we'd saw like a rumor that they may announce it before the September event. And we're like, oh, that would be interesting. Oh, and they're here. And they're here. And they're here. So they're here. I may have also bought one. Okay. I mean, I want to see how good it is. Do you want to talk about the Ultra chip? But yeah, the M5 Ultra chip as well. So for those who don't know the Ultra chip, it's been a long time since we got a new one.

56:01I think M3 Ultra is the last one that we got, which was in a Mac studio. And the Mac Pro was still on M2 Ultra. So it shows how much they've like really kept up to date with it. But it's essentially fusing together two M5 Max chips. And that gets you a solid, let me read this here. 64 core GPU, 30 core CPU, 32 core neural engine, and starting at 96 gigs of unified memory and up to 512 gigs of unified memory. Starting at 96 gigs of RAM.

56:34Yeah. And I think it's a, I think the number was like 1.2 terabytes per second. 1.2 terabytes of unified memory bandwidth. Yeah. It's just, yeah. Dude, this is not a machine that, again, regular people or anyone, even video editors are mostly going to have to clamor over. This is for people who have specific use cases with like, oh, I need to run a massive local LLM in the unified memory or I need to like, you know. That's pretty much it. Yeah. Well, that's for the unified memory part. But for the massive GPU part, this is like 3D rendering, intense color correction.

57:08Obviously, video editing is like the low end of what this thing is designed for. Yeah. It's what I'm going to be doing with it. I want to see the benchmark so bad. Yeah, the benchmarks are going to be silly and I'm excited. 15 minute benchmark, 15 minute video rendered in one minute. I just can't wait. I've been chasing real time video exports my entire 8K career. But we passed real time, didn't we? Not exports. Really? So like a 10 minute video will take 20 minutes to export, which is awesome. Like an 8K red raw transcode from, you know, all the chopped up timeline to all my graphics

57:44and effects and transitions and color correction and sharpening and all of that. Exporting a 10 minute video in 20 minutes, that's pretty sick. But I've been chasing the real time export and I think this is going to get meaningfully closer to that. Yeah, you can configure this with up to 512 gigabytes of RAM. So on that note, which is crazy, you can pre-order an M5 Ultra Mac Studio today. Yeah. And just for funsies, I went through and maxed everything out. You can spend $18,300 on a Mac Studio.

58:18That does not include the 512 gigs of unified memory. That only goes up to 256. Oh. So when they do drop the 512 gig version for you local LLM freaks out there, that's going to be a very, very expensive machine. Now that's also 16 terabytes of internal memory. So I... Storage, storage, storage. Yeah, internal storage. Holy s***. 16 terabytes of SSD. Yeah. Which sounds silly unless you work with massive video files. So that's another reason why it's so expensive. I'm not videophile.

58:48I love videos. Yeah, I am a videophile. I need to humbly request another short where you explain what all the Macs and Ultra chips make now. If you look at this script, I have everything wrong because I'm still so confused in this. Like, so much of this, I have the wrong chip name because not only is it confusing, but to then release M6 Base and then go M5 Ultra. Like, the releases just make it very confusing. Am I the only one who finds this very simple and intuitive? Yes.

59:16Base, Pro, Max, Ultra, but then we also release things out of order. The only thing that makes it confusing is the out of order release timing, but as far as like what's more capable, it's very clear. I think it's also that they've just skipped some. There's no M4 Ultra, right? True. They've skipped some. Yeah. So there's just like this random board of chips that... There's a base chip. You can put the base chip in any of the base stuff, like now it's M6, right? So we have it in the Mac Mini. I will expect to see an M6 iPad and an M6 iMac and like all the base stuff, MacBook Air,

59:51right? Then you have Pro and Max versions of the chip, which are essentially doubling the GPU capabilities, and I expect those to be in the Pro level stuff like MacBook Pro. And then once in a while, if you're lucky, you'll get an Ultra version of the chip which fuses two Maxes together. And then you get the real freaky benchmark results and extremely powerful Mac Studio and Mac Pro. Having once in a while because you're lucky is the reason it continues to be more confusing because... And also like Pro and Max, we're used to it together in this one term where now Pro and

1:00:22Max is separate. And like all of them are just good adjectives. They're not laddering adjectives. Like all of those... Yeah. Ultra Max means the maximum. Technically Max is maximum. And then Ultra is two maximums. That doesn't make sense. That is true. That is very true. I guess I'm used to knowing that Pro is a little above base and then Max is a little above Pro and then Ultra is above Max. Pro Max. That's the issue. Pro Max also... Apple does do Pro Max too, which is annoying. But anyway, I have also pre-ordered a Max 2.

1:00:54Worth noting that because these are all pre-orders and they come out September 22nd, I believe. That's a long time away. That's a little while away. Take your time, Apple. Almost a month. Take your time. That's going to be after the September event. That's just got to mean that the September event has so much stuff in it that they can't toss this on at the end, but they want it to still come out similar time. Actually, I think two of that is happening. One, and you guys mentioned this about the iPhone, I think the September event is heavy on Pro and Fold. Yeah. And they wanted to spend so much time on the Fold especially that they had to move some

1:01:25stuff out of there, so they moved the base iPhones completely out of the September event to make a way to focus on the crazy stuff. Yeah. That's why I think we're going to see that in like spring or like early next year. And then for the October event, which we typically see as like the pro computer event, they're going to focus so much on new MacBook Pro with OLED touchscreen, blah, blah, blah, that they needed to move some stuff out of there. And so here we're getting iMac or Mac mini and Mac studio updates ahead of time, M6 chip ahead of time so that they can get to that and spend more time.

1:01:57And visually, like these are the least impressive, even though these are incredible, iPhone Fold is a folding iPhone. You get to see new MacBooks. Like all these things are things you can see. These are just little super powerful computers. Yeah. They really have some paradigm explanations to do for like we've never had a folding iPhone. They really have to explain to the public why they would want a folding iPhone for the first time ever. And for the touchscreen MacBook Pro, it's been so many years of MacBook Pros not having

1:02:27touchscreens. When they finally do one, they really are going to have to spend some time explaining and justifying, here's why we're making this. Here's why you might want a touchscreen laptop. So make some room in those events and then, yeah, move stuff till early next year. Speaking of the Apple event. Oh, yeah, it just got announced. It did just get announced live on the podcast. It'll be September 9th. It's Wednesday this year, which never happens. It's always the second Tuesday, but it is Labor Day that Monday. So I think that they just don't want people to travel on a holiday. Can I comment on this graphic?

1:02:57Yeah, I want to talk about it. You see this graphic? Yeah. It looks like I just highlighted it with my mouse, but I didn't. That's actually what it looks like. Doesn't it kind of look like it was like a darker image that I highlighted? To me, it reminds me of the sunshine-flavored LaCroix. Wait, the iPhone's going to have highlight? So the tagline this year is surprise and shine. There's the Apple logo with sort of like this displacement effect and it's sort of glowing and it has this like lens flare going around the Apple logo. Strangely, I would have thought that they would have had some nod to the fold.

1:03:30Yeah. But I have no idea what this is going to be unless like, I don't know, maybe the torch is going to be like 30 times brighter. Why are we all calling it a torch? Yeah, what the hell? When did this happen? It's a flashlight, people. You know Marquez goes to the UK. I guess not. I messed it up now. I messed it up this time. Careful. Careful. Careful, Ellis. Careful, Ellis. I got torched for that last time. But it's all torch this, torch that. I got torched for saying that last time, so be careful. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know why they're calling it Surprise and Shine.

1:04:01Like, what is it going to have to do with that? Surprise and Shine. Surprise and Shine. Well, it's a play on- Nothing's really a surprise unless there's a- Except that it was on a Wednesday. Sure, yeah. I mean, Rise and Shine. Well, yeah. It's a play on Rise and Shine, so surprised. The fold has to rise up when you open it. Oh, yeah. That is actually the best thing I've heard so far. It might just be that. It's going to have to rise open. Risers. Wrong one. Yeah, the wrong one. Boo. Well, they did announce one more thing. They did. Oh, God. Not everything is affected by Ramageddon.

1:04:31Yeah. Some stuff. The polishing cloth at Apple is now $9. It's less than half expensive. Less than half the price. What I'm confused about here, and we don't have confirmation yet- It is a great polishing cloth. I'm just going to say. It is a nice polishing cloth. Is it smaller? We're assuming it's smaller, right? I don't know. It's unconfirmed. It's unconfirmed because this store page has the overview of the polishing cloth. It has what's in the box. Importantly, the compatibility list. Yeah. A 50-plus model length list of compatibilities.

1:05:03Nowhere does it say the dimensions of this polishing cloth. How? That's so funny. Oh, my goodness. But based on the Apple logo, presumably the same size as the previous cloth, it is, I guess, takes up more space. I think it's smaller. It's $9. Is the other one not available anymore? I don't think it is. If this was a bid to make people less mad about the prices of everything else going up, it's working. That's all they had to do. They just had to make the polishing cloth cheaper. $9. And people used to meme it for $19. My hot take was always that it was worth $19 because it's really good.

1:05:37Like, it's a nano, you know, it's not a microfiber. It's nanofiber. I feel like it can be good and not worth $19. It has a fatal flaw, which is like, if your phone is not insane, if anything you wipe with it is not ridiculously clean before you polish it, that cloth gets so disgusting and will never not be disgusting. That's also true. Yeah. The nanofibers get pretty. The hot take is, maybe it's not even a hot take, it's not a good polishing cloth. Whoa. Whoa. Just as far as. No, no. It's good at polishing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's good.

1:06:08Yeah, exactly. It's specifically good at, like, you have a clean surface you need to polish and it's already, the grit's gone. You just need to polish it and make it shiny or super clean. Then that's what it's good for. Yeah, use sandpaper to get the rest of the stuff off. I just use my, I just, it usually works like a charm. Yeah. No, don't do that. Don't do that. No. That's going to be a gif, unfortunately. Yep.

1:06:32Gif. Gif, but yeah. Gif. You go to the UK, sorry.

1:06:39Anyway. You go on the internet one time. You go to the internet one time. We should take a break. All right, we got to take a break. Yeah. Trivia question? Trivia question. Why'd you say, like, a question? Of course we have a trivia question. Trivia question. Trivia. Trivia. All right, this one I'm stealing from Ellis because I love it so much. The Pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years, but only two iterations of the Pixel have had the front-facing camera in the top left corner of the phone. Oh. What were they? I know one of them. Pixel. Okay, so not Nexus. Exactly. Two iterations.

1:07:10There were two. Okay. And then there were two. Hold on. Oh, I know both of these. I think I know them. In the top left corner of- The phone. Are we not counting foldables? No. Because in the inside screen of the foldables- I'm going to say no. You said top left? Yeah, yeah, top left. Top left. And you're using the term- Foldable is top right. Yeah. Okay. Okay, top left corner. I know this. Okay, I know one of them. Remember Sully.

1:07:34Don't.

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Fitbit Air Pokemon Sleep band

1:09:44All right, welcome back. This is a fun, weird collaboration I just wanted to bring up. So Fitbit Air, as we all know, I'm still rocking mine. It's really gross now. I should probably shower with it on. I've been charging my Whoop this entire time. In the shower? No. They tell you to. Charging in the shower? I'm pretty sure you are not supposed to do that. That's insane. No, you are. Yeah, you can. Every single time I take it off, I used to take the Whoop off to take a shower, it would be like, no, you can charge it in the shower. It'll send you a notification. Oh my God. It's waterproof.

1:10:15Why would I ever want to do it? Anyway, we got a Fitbit Air update, which is kind of cool. There's a Pokemon Sleep collaboration with the Fitbit Air. Because that's what we were waiting for. Yeah. So if you don't know what Pokemon Sleep is. I don't. You don't know what Pokemon Sleep is. It's an app that is mostly made for kids to help them go to bed. There's a Snorlax. There's other Pokemon you can collect. For kids and David and I. Well, look. I would get a lot of crap for saying this is for kids.

1:10:46It's just like the robot movie. Whatever. Anyway. The robot movie. Just because something is targeted at kids doesn't mean only kids can enjoy it. Okay? Ah, I see. I feel like that's still like Mr. Beast videos. I don't enjoy those. Marvel. Marvel. Spider-Man. Not Marvel. Not really Spider-Man. Pokemon. Pokemon's the perfect example. Yeah, Pokemon. It's targeted at kids, but I love Pokemon. And I'm 31. I'm turning to dust.

1:11:17So anyway, they have a Pokemon Sleep. Pokemon Sleep. It's an app that came out that basically it tracks your sleep. And then the better you sleep, the more you can befriend these Pokemon and level up the Pokemon and do stuff like that. So it's like it's a game you play when you wake up and you try to get a better sleep score. And it's just trying to encourage kids to like go to bed and sleep better. Right? That's been out for a couple years. Noble cause. Noble cause. I can't play this because my Pokemon better eat me. Sorry. We're tracking kids sleep?

1:11:48Yeah. I don't know why that sounds crazy to me. Also, I'm trying to prestige in Call of Duty. I ain't sleeping as a kid. Like I'm not playing this game. Well, it's probably for like six year olds, you know. I was on Call of Duty.

1:12:02I already prestige twice by six years old. Anyway. Sorry. So strange collaboration. They are releasing a Pokemon Sleep band. The color is actually really nice. The color is fantastic. It's like a really deep blue color. But it does. It's more Steph Curry colors than the Steph Curry band. Probably. Really? Yeah. Yeah. The Golden State Warriors are like blue and gold just like this. And this is more of the blue that the Golden State Warriors are. Yeah. It has a little tag on it that says Pokemon Sleep which I don't think they should have added. I think that's the word mark

1:12:32is a little bit ugly but it's got a sleeping Pikachu on it. The word mark is weird. It's weird to have a Pokemon Sleep word mark on a band that you're going to wear all day. You know what I mean? Yeah. When it says Pokemon Sleep unless the whole point is to only put this on before you go to bed which is also a thing I guess. It is easy to change bands. Yeah. If you really want to. Yeah but every day is great. I wouldn't do it every day. You want a pajama band? Pajama band. Something that's cool about this though is that there's like four different Velcro notches on it. So the standard Fitbit Air it's just one...

1:13:03Oh I'm wrong. I was going to say I thought that looks exactly the same. Investigative journalism is so back. Um... I didn't know that. Tell us what's cool about it. Nothing. It's blue. Four Velcros. I was wondering why the Velcro is in this shirt. I had only looked at this side of the Velcro but it turns out... Yeah never mind. Anyway I like the dark blue color. That's all I got to say. It's nice. It looks nice. Yeah they're doing an official collaboration

1:13:35with Pokemon Sleep. Um... Right now my... My... On my iPhone it doesn't want to integrate with my Apple Health data or my Fitbit or my Google Health data yet. So it hasn't worked for me yet but it might also need an update that it isn't out yet because this technically gets announced tomorrow as of day of recording but it will have already been announced by the time you guys hear about it. Yeah. So it's blue and doesn't have anything special about its Velcro which is unfortunate. But I just wanted to mention that.

1:14:07Thank you for introducing me to Pokemon Sleep because I'm very... still very confused about it but... Yeah. Try it. I don't know. Maybe they'll like it. I don't know. Do they tie it into like the move at all? Rest? Oh is it... The move's not even called Sleep? No it's called Rest. No there's a move called Sleep. Isn't it a TM? No there's not. It's called Rest. I would know. I'm a sweet one year old who likes Pokemon. You know when you were... You can... Sleep Powder is also my... Sleep Powder is a move. Yeah. I was sick all weekend and I was playing Adam's 3DS for a lot of it

1:14:37and you saying... Talking about Pokemon being for kids but enjoyed by adults made me think I was playing Super Mario 3D Land. Oh hell yeah. Quite fun. And the whole time I was thinking damn these buttons are really small until I had the realization like right it's for children. It's targeted at children. We have to be clear about this because I love games. I love Pokemon. I love all this stuff. I still play Pokemon TCG Pocket on my phone. Yeah. Because I will never stop even if Alex abandoned me.

1:15:09Anyway we gotta move on. Real quick.

Nothing OS 5 spring clean

1:15:12This also got announced this morning as of day of recording. Nothing OS 5. It's a big update from them. It's mostly like cohesion and sort of spring cleaning in the summer update that makes the animations better. It makes them smoother. There's refreshed typefaces. There's new icons. There's two new lock screen clocks. It's sort of just like a visual refresh update and it's making a lot of the things on the phone that were not cohesive more cohesive. I appreciate updates like this.

1:15:43I like that Android 17 was a lot of the stuff. It was a lot of like hey we've had stuff piling up in the corners that we're just gonna finally get to it and clean it up and make sure it's all working nicely. Yeah. So if you make a skin for Android or if you make a ROM like nothing OS on top yeah you gotta do that too. Yeah. They also made the dedicated glyph app now so you don't have to just go into the settings and like find the glyph stuff. That makes sense. Which I appreciate. I think that's really helpful. There's small things like if you scan a QR code with the camera open

1:16:13instead of the little icon of the link kind of moving with the QR code it just gets affixed which is helpful. To the bottom? To like I think wherever you scanned it from. Okay. I really like this new clock face widget where it's like text but all kind of it almost looks like comic-y Yeah. And it can have like time, date, weather you know calendar things but it doesn't feel like all these difference it all feels cohesive Yeah. In between it. I think my favorite new feature which is a branded feature through and through is that now

1:16:43there's this new collector widget so you can create a sticker out of anything that you take a photo of it will cut out the object and you can just stick that sticker on your home screen That is very branded which is so awesome It's kind of sick It's really cool It's really cool It's just like whimsy for no reason which I really appreciate Yeah. So I don't know It's a nice update It's a nice update It would have been cooler if they explained it while not playing really terrible pool and taking fake phone calls in that weird video they released Yeah. The explanation video was like a really long video

1:17:14where they didn't even get to the update until seven minutes six and a half minutes through and they're just playing pool the whole time which is strange I think they're just trying to be more relatable They also released it on both the Nothing YouTube channel and Carl Pay's YouTube channel which I did not know existed Carl Pay YouTuber confirmed Confirmed I mean he does react he does make react videos so he is a YouTuber Anyway Open Beta is starting today as of day of recording It will have been two days ago by the time you guys hear this for Nothing Phone 3 and other devices will be rolling out over the coming months

1:17:46but they do have a public calendar for when that's happening So Yeah Just had to mention that We have anything else before What is this Premier League I got one more thing I've had a couple people ask me if I'm going to do this again and I wasn't going to but you know what now I will If you're into Premier League at all we're doing a Waveform Fantasy League Ellis is in it now I got him in and he picked Hull City for some reason as his squad I picked Hull City the week before the league began and I've been riding nothing but highs

1:18:16ever since Nice Go Tigers By the time you listen to this episode they will have lost again but it's fine So if you want to join link in the description it'll be fun Ellis and I are in there How many people can join? Is it like infinite? Last time there were hundreds It's like there's no cap to it? I don't think so I mean I'm sure there is but I don't think we reached it No cap? I mean aren't there only so many players in the league? Or can you just pick I guess I don't know how it works It's not like normal fantasy where you draft someone and then no one else can get him it's you essentially like pick like a roster like everyone can have

1:18:46the same roster if you're at it Okay cool I feel like more people Socialist-ass fantasy league What's happening to Marquez?

Humanoid robot Olympics

1:18:55Oh man I gotta say okay I wasn't gonna talk about this but I have to After that reaction you do So much of my feed on social media on all social media YouTube Twitter Threads Instagram is this like humanoid Robot Olympics Have you guys seen this? Yeah And every one of them is a slightly different disaster Yeah And it's really I have so many questions we don't have to get into it but I'll just show you guys the one that It is so funny I'll put it in my I just want you guys to think as you watch this

1:19:25in regular track and field isn't it a lane violation to leave your lane? Like you're not allowed to leave your lane in the race Well Andrew leaves his lane at home all the time That's a great pun It's very sad Yeah just watch this video and while you watch about it while you watch this video just think like I don't think you're allowed to leave your lane Andrew will watch it I'm like What video? Yeah Yeah Oh my god These robots are so funny to watch running They're just Oh my god

1:19:55In a 100 meter race you're not supposed to leave your lane For some reason there is a competition happening in China where bipedal robots have to run as fast as physically possible When one of them runs faster than a human they'll be like it broke Usain Bolt's record and it's like well It's a robot Yeah but then it slammed into a wall and exploded Yeah and exploded into 12 pieces They're really funny I yeah The best part of this is that they can't stop and they have to have that giant padded wall where half of them just explode when they hit it They start from a stop

1:20:26and then they start running Why can't they stop running? Look at this one They can only crash into a wall They all run past the finish line and then 12 yards later slam into a wall They can only do the straight away of the track No they have 100 meters they have 200s they have 400s All the ones we're watching here are just running straight and cannot curve at all Oh yeah they got some curves The funniest thing is that after they crash and break their legs they carry them away on stretchers The stretchers are great I don't know why there aren't robots carrying them away on stretchers Because they'd explode if they did that They slam into the wall for no reason

1:20:56That's so funny If you ever had any doubts about China being really far ahead in humanoid robots just watch some of these videos just google world humanoid robot games Yeah on any social media and you'll see they are they are cooking Anyway I think that's it They're boxing Some of them are boxing There's soccer There's boxing There is one that did a clean and jerk and it's just a robot picking up a weight How is that a competition? Of course it can pick up the weight It's a robot I don't know man Grip strength I don't know Grip strength I programmed the motors What was the robot

1:21:27I think it was TeslaBot where they're like don't worry can only deadlift like 40 pounds and that was supposed to make us feel like comfortable with it Yeah It can only run X miles per hour and like pick up and grab Just zigzag Just zigzag You're fine Yeah Alright We gotta do trivia Alright Time for me to continually not get more trivia points Wait Can I Yeah Marquez said something really funny to me the other day

WD-40 and Pixel trivia

1:21:51which was don't worry I would have gotten both the trivia questions wrong from last week Yeah And he apparently trusts you guys so little that his response to where is Texas Instruments headquarters was gonna be Shenzhen China Okay Honestly No it's really smart If I was a Shenzhen manufacturing company I would name my company Texas Instruments Exactly Exactly Either that or they would have just gotten acquired by a Chinese company by now Yeah That was like I saw that Slack message and it was one of the funniest things I've ever read

1:22:22It's kind of like how Hasselblad is headquartered at the DJI headquarters in China Yeah So it's not that far out So anyway I still have one trivia point Yes guys WD-40 What does the WD stand for? Hint It was the original manufacturer purpose Yeah Oh wait You got this Does spelling count? I just read

1:22:53Marquez's whiteboard and crazy There's so many things that could be Western Digital That's like one of them That's not my guess I'm just kidding That would be Who would guess Western Digital? Wait what? Oh Okay I wrote Western Digital Did you see him write that? No I didn't You just guessed that? Marquez and I think alike We think alike I wrote water deterrent I'm so close That's actually pretty good

1:23:23I wrote wet drying What do you mean wet? How far behind What do you mean wet drying? Because like it's I don't know is that a thing that happens? Wet drying? It's wet I see what he means You're supposed to dry the wet You mean like how liquid chalk you like put the liquid on your hands and it makes them dry after it like evaporates because it's got alcohol Don't they call something that would be more like it dries something I thought wet dry was a thing You put a sponge on top of water and then you lift it up in the water That's just drying

1:23:54Yeah It's drying the wet What's the actual answer? I appreciate that you guys are going to bat for me I don't really know what I'm WD-40 sounds better than D-40 Unfortunately the answer is water deterrent displacement Water displacement It was originally a coating for rockets to make sure they did not rust or corrode in their silos Does anyone want to guess what the 40 means? 40 That must be the density versus water

1:24:25No There's no like real confirmation on this but allegedly it was the 40th iteration of the formula You know I can displace water too You just hold on to the rocket I just jump into it Wow Another non-point for me Next question But first quick update on the score Marquez with uno Andrew with tres David with cuatro Ha ha ha Alright Question The pixel has taken many shapes and forms over the years

1:24:55but only two iterations of the pixel had the hole-punch front-facing camera in the top left corner of the phone Yeah What were they?

1:25:12It's four individual phones If you give me any of the two I'll count it That's what's confusing me now No I'll explain it to you But you have to get two It can't be like one and one Yeah But I think that's why I'm confused which makes me think I got it wrong This is Google's fault This is Google's fault This is not my fault Okay I'm doing great It's the Pixel Pro Max Ultra Yeah What don't you understand? Alright flip them and read What do we got?

1:25:39Hmm Alright I kind of hedged The Pixel 6 had it in the middle Okay So I'm probably wrong So I said Pixel 6 No Pixel 4s You wrote Pro? The 4 didn't have it And then also Pixel 4 Pro But you're not getting the point for that Sorry There wasn't a Pixel 4 Pro Pixel 4 didn't have it Oh yeah That's solely though Which was Oh you're right Yeah No Pixel 4 didn't have it So you're wrong Wait why did I write Pixel 4? What'd you guys write? I wrote Pixel 5 5

1:26:09Correct Pixel 4 Series Which was It was just the 4A and 4A XL wasn't it? It was just the 4A It was the 4A Ah the 4A 5G Yeah Andrew Which was the 4A XL I wrote 5A but it's because of the release dates I'm thinking of the The 5A had it The 5A had it I was Andrew got the point I'm so smart So do I get a point for Pixel 5? You do not Why? The Pixel 5 had it He does No no I said at the beginning you need to get two correct But he only got one correct No he got both 5 and 5A They both have top left

1:26:40Oh wow nice I'm so mad Wow Well played Andrew Did the A4 come out before the 5A? Before the W40 And thank you guys for watching this episode of the Waveform Podcast We are so happy to have you as we dive into Tech-Tember Get subscribed if you haven't already because there's going to be all sorts of coverage of all the stuff that comes out It's going to be exciting I've pre-ordered some of it I've been getting my hands on some of it and there will be all sorts of fun in between and trivia questions I promise I'll get one right

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