How Real is Sam Altman? Gemini Mac App, $10K Apple Pay Hack

0:00I sense injuries. The data could be called pain. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Lots of AI news this week. Jim and I have finally released their Mac app. Resolve 21 has built AI features like de-aging just built right into the app. Adobe Firefly doing a ton more AI stuff across Photoshop, Lightroom. The new Claude app launched with Parallel Sessions. Jason has a story about DoorDash and he even built some of his own apps. All of that and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by Copilot Money, Shopify, and you, the members who support us directly.

0:30I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles, joined by developer Jason Aiton. How's it going, Jason? You're going to make people mad at me, Stephen. Sorry, no, no, no. He didn't say that. He didn't say his developer, but he did make some apps. I'm a product manager, apparently. You're a product manager. Jason vibe-coded some stuff. We're going to talk about that in personal tech. That's super fun. And all the AI stuff. All right, let's get right into the five-star reviews. We had a few. Thank you so much. We've been in like the top 50, 60 shows in Apple Podcasts. I don't know if – I think I got a couple of screenshots that people – our show has shown up in the video podcast feature for some people in Apple Podcasts,

1:03so that's super fun. Sweet. But, yeah, we've been in like top 50, 60 shows, so thank you all for that. But Proch now from the USA, which I recognize you, I hope you continue to beat the We Want a New Apple TV drum. And he was saying we should – Jesus is shaking his head. I made a whole video about why we need a new Apple TV and what I want out of it. And literally posting a video as we record right now about my $3,000 movie box. You still don't think we need a new Apple TV? Those two things are not the same, just to be clear. They're not the same thing. I think that the current Apple TV is already overpowered for what it does, so unless they're going to dramatically make the Apple TV do something different.

1:35Steven, I have like literally seven or eight-year-old Apple TVs that are just functioning fine. Yeah. Well, Proch now has had a less good experience, which is unique. I mean, I have five Apple TVs running in my house at all times. I'm like, I don't really have any issues with them, but I totally get it. I totally get it. So I still want a new Apple TV. New Apple TV. Bob Lilley is from Canada. Steven, the other guy, make a perfect team. We're a perfect team, according to Bob. This is true. This is true. Super dedicated professional. Thank you all for that. A.A. Ron, reference acknowledged, from the USA.

2:07Missed me off from Apple Cider. We're glad he found this show. And he asked, does the other guy even like technology? Jason, do you like technology? No. No. Moving on. Yes, of course I like technology. This is how I described it to Steven earlier. I'll just say, I think I am cynically optimistic about technology. I think that's a good phrase. In our pre-show, if you become a member, which the deal is still going on, I'll just go ahead and link it in the show notes again. You can support the show and get the whole pre-show, which is like half an hour long, and the bonus episodes, and the ad-free version of Primary Tech Daily, all for like $2.50 a month.

2:40But we talked about the kind of the difference of what it means to really review and critique technology versus like what I do on YouTube and whose responsibility is it to tell the world when a product sucks. And so, yeah, we talked about it. Well, and just like, I think the reason that this works so well for you and I is Stephen's default position, this is an overgeneralization, is this is going to be amazing. I can't wait to try it. And my default position is this is going to suck until you prove to me otherwise. I think, yeah, I think that's the crux.

3:10But I do love it when they prove to me otherwise. Right. And then when mine prove to actually suck, I just don't talk about it again. Right. I just don't mention it. Like the, well, I don't want to mention the product because then I feel bad. But anyway. Okay. So moving on. LaFrenchFab from the USA 5-Star Review installed the Apple podcast just to leave this review. Battery percentage on, back pocket, screen facing, and horizontal tabs. So he does the landscape tab. You still been doing the landscape tabs? The vertical tabs. Or the vertical tabs.

3:40Oh, right. Because he's never using vertical tabs. Oh, so they do the horizontal tabs like God intended. Like I use it. You do the vertical tabs. Like God intended? Yeah, that's right. Or Scott Forstall or the person that made, like, Firefox 20 years ago. I don't know. The Firefox. I saw an Instagram time lapse. Like, it was a real, showing the browser share over the past, like, 30 years. It was wild. Yeah. One, to see, like, Netscape, like, take it over and then disappear. And then Internet Explorer take over and disappear. And then Firefox. And then Chrome. It was a fascinating thing.

4:12Yeah. I think it was accurate. But anyway. And then Dub Pancake Boys from the USA. That's a funny name. Battery percentage off. Phone and crossbody bag. You need to tell us. Is that the, what was that for you? I think it's the sock. The iPhone sock. Is he Miyake? Crossbody bag? Yeah, probably not. Basic Apple guy. Do you carry it around in that sock? I want to know. That's all. All right. Oh, and I wanted to give a shout-out to Aaron, who sent me an email. I talked about last week about Claude writing some code for my Cloudflare worker job.

4:43And I had no idea what it was. And Aaron sent me a very nice email. He literally went line by line and explained what each line that Claude wrote, what it did. And it's not doing anything nefarious. And so I appreciate that. So thank you, Aaron. Aaron, email me, because when I talk about my apps, I've had a lot of people start asking me if I would give it to them. And I might need someone to look at them first to make sure that they're not secretly syncing these notes to who knows where. And Aaron, I'm just saying, this could be a job opportunity. Absolutely. Side gig, just checking people's vibe-coded apps.

5:13Absolutely. That is the missing link. Because I feel like that, I don't know, that might be an industry pretty soon. It probably already is an industry. It's just all the people work inside big companies where they're using Claude to make stuff. Yeah, that's fair enough. And we've got to talk about the Claude app, too, in a minute. All right. And last feedback, Darkshot Coffee on X actually sent me this, the Ferrari Luce, right? I think it's the Luce. They released a video showing the interior of their Johnny Ive-designed car. It's like a rendering.

5:43I don't think it's actual footage. But it shows what it looks like all put together. All the iPad-like rounded corners and the screen in the middle, the shifter. Listen, I'm not a car guy. I'm definitely not a sports car guy. So I don't know. You guys let us know. What does this look like? Is this cool? Is this the thing? I don't know. It looks like something from a Pixar movie. This video does kind of look like a... It kind of looks like the Incredibles car from the... Yeah, that is exactly what this makes me think of. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Incredibles 3, they might be driving this car.

6:15There's the iPad in the middle. They actually might be driving this car in the Incredibles 3. There's a decent chance that the product placement will be this. That might be a deal. So anyway, thanks for sending that over. All right, some kind of wild AI news this week. And I just wanted to start with this hilarious story. Allbirds, the shoe company, has pivoted to being an AI company yesterday. And the stock jumped 600% upon this announcement. Now, if you're not familiar with Allbirds, Allbirds has been around for, I don't know, eight or nine years.

6:51I actually, when they launched, it felt very like, oh man, these shoes are amazing. I actually bought a pair of Allbirds very early on. And then they have not been able to be profitable in the last five to six years. And their sales dropped nearly 50% between 2022-2025. So they are selling off all of their assets. And they're going to reform, like a Voltron, into a company called New Bird AI. And they're going to acquire GPUs and then basically become a GPU-as-a-service, which is now a new, like, business.

7:25You know, if you're not familiar, there's, like, SaaS, PaaS, which is, like, software-as-a-service, platform-as-a-service. Like, those are just kind of acronyms that some companies put themselves under. Like, a podcast host is a SaaS, software-as-a-service. And so they're going to become a GPU-as. I don't know how to say that. I'm cursing. A GPU-as-a-service, an AI-native cloud solutions provider. This is hilarious. I don't – I mean, I kind of understood all the words that you said, but they don't all make sense in the order that you use them, right?

7:58Like, I mean, I – listen, I had a pair of Allbirds. They were great. They were what I called my airport shoes. They were, like, the shoes that were – they were lightweight. They were, like, easy to take on and off. Yeah. And they didn't survive very well if it was wet. Right. Well, this is what I was going to say. So, like, I bought a pair for me and my wife early on, like, when Allbirds first came on the scene. And, like, they were cool. They looked cool. Like, they were wool. You could throw them in the washing machine, whatever. But, like, over time, we actually didn't like them as shoes, and we never bought another pair.

8:28And so the drop in profitability and, like, losing the business model actually makes sense to – like, when I told my wife that she was like, oh, yeah, we didn't really like those shoes anyway. So, like, they may just not have been a great shoe company. And then there were other competitions, like Adams came out, and, you know, they have a bunch of partnerships and stuff. But, yeah, I'm curious now. We need to predict – this would be insider trading – but, like, what company is now going to pivot from whatever wild business they do now to AI because of the compute shortage?

8:59Well, okay. So, but hold on. We can do that in a second. Yeah, yeah. There's a difference between NVIDIA making GPUs for gaming PCs pivoting to making massive GPUs for training and inference on large language models. And then the entire stack that they've created and CUDA, which is, like, with a platform you can develop on. That's different, right? That is not the same thing as we make shoes. Now we rent GPUs. Those are not the same thing.

9:30Not at all. Also, this is all based on, like, a $50 million investment. Right. That's, like, six GPUs right now. Like, I don't even know. Like, who are you renting them to? Their server farm is going to be an apartment. It's going to be a studio apartment. I can put it on those shelves right back there. Yeah, you can just run it right there. Like, all birds, call me. Like, Joe, we can work something out. You'll take some of that cut. My shed has a mini split. It's climate controlled. It's ready to go. I will not take $50 million. It will be a lot. We can work out a deal. That's it. I think – let me see.

10:01Let me think here. Maybe – now Red Bull's already doing a bunch. Red Bull – I mean, I can see them getting in a GPU market. Red Bull's not going to pivot as much as it just constantly spins around. In circles. That's, like, the way it works. And spins people around in circles with crazy stunts. You know what I mean? Anyway, if – no, I'm not going to say that. But we'll see. I'm curious what other companies legitimately pivot to AI just because of this moment. And then how many, like, give up maybe good business models because they're trying to jump on this hype train and then it goes away. Peak design. Backpacks to GPUs.

10:33I like that. You laugh, but is it more weird than shoes to GPUs? No, no. I don't know. That's what – I'm trying to think of something weirder than shoes that could actually pivot, and I really don't know. Buddy Brew coffee beans, maybe. Little Debbie.

10:48That's it. Hostess and Little Debbie, the next AI company. Hostess. It's right there in the name. They're going to host the GPUs. This is brilliant. All right. I'm going to put us in the comedy category now. All right. So more AI news. Gemini finally released their Mac app. You can download it now. I was getting mixed reports from people of whether it's available outside the U.S. So it may or may not. This is the Mac app. You can download it. I did it immediately. I have some concerns and critiques, first of all.

11:19I'm glad I made a Mac app. I was tired of going to the web interface. But there are some things missing. So first of all, this is what it actually looks like. This is my live Gemini Mac app. This gradient is too much. I don't like this gradient at the bottom. It's too much. I feel like the design, it feels a little meh. Also, it's missing, like, model pickers. I mean, you can choose between, like, fast thinking and pro. But I don't know. That feels a little limited there. But also no custom gems. So I have actually trained custom Gemini gems for specific use cases.

11:53You don't have access to the gems in there. And you can share a window to give Gemini context on what you're working on. But it is not like Claude Cowork. Now, Google has said this is, like, setting the groundwork for building a really robust Mac app that will have, you know, more access and kind of that super app that all these companies are talking about. But I don't know. What were your impressions when you downloaded it? I mean, do you like it? Well, I'm glad they made a Mac app. I'm glad they actually made a real Mac app, right? Like, this is an app. It's not Electron garbage.

12:25Correct. Like, Claude is. I'm very, very, very glad that they did that. The reason they had to do that was, like, the killer feature of this is actually not the app. It's the fact that you can be looking at your browser. And you can hit option space. I actually had to remap that because I use option space for maybe Alfred. No, I use it for actual spotlight because I use command space for Alfred. So I remapped it. But you can pull up this little tiny floating window. It looks like spotlight. It looks like spotlight. But if you hit the plus, it'll just include a screenshot of whatever you're looking at if you want it to.

12:57Right? You can share that window with. And so you can just pull that command up and be, like, explain what's. And actually, the first thing I did was I just, I did that. I was, like, explain what's happening here. And it did. It told me exactly what was happening and explained it. So that's the feature that they really want you to use is, like, use Gemini from anywhere on your context, on whatever you're doing. You could pull it up. You could share a screenshot of an email that was sent to you, the one that you got in Chinese or whatever, and be, like, explain to me what's happening here. What's going on in this email?

13:27So I think that's great. What that means is you have to give it screen reporting permissions. So you have to decide if that's a thing you want to do with Google. Now, Google's a big company, and it's not going to be worth it to them to just constantly be looking at everything that you're doing. And they already, if you have personalized context enabled, can look at your Gmail and your photos and your drive and your docs and all that stuff. Anyway. So there's – but you should be careful because there's a – because this is a new product, there's a much greater chance that they're going to be using review processes to, like, how effective is this working?

14:03Is this – are these answers lining up with the user's – which just means that there's always going to be a possibility that there's a person who will see whatever it is that you share with. True. True. And also, I got a number of pop-ups after I installed it and opened it, and, like, app background activity. And it says Google Updater can run in the background. And then, you know, I could go to the system settings, login items and extensions, and turn that off. And then I got a second one that I forgot to screenshot talking about. I think that it'll start – you know, it'll – when you restart your Mac or start your Mac, it'll, like, open automatically. And I didn't see it in the list just yet, like, the immediate – so there was just some pop-ups that, like, it felt like when I install Chrome, which I had since deleted recently when I figured I could have Claude work in Brave.

14:45And so there were a lot of pop-ups that felt like, this is like installing Chrome. And I didn't feel great about that because Google – I don't know. It just gets in there. I feel like the tentacles just get in there when you download their apps. That's just a feeling. But then there were also a post on Mastodon because it was like, is this – it's not an Electron app, which Electron is, like, a wrapper for basically a web app. That's what Slack is. That's what the Claude app is. And, like, it doesn't – those apps don't feel great on the Mac. If there's an intangible feeling you have when you use an app like Slack, it's because it's an Electron app.

15:19Yeah, because it's literally just a web view wrapped in a desktop app. Correct. And that's garbage, to be clear. Yeah, make an app, people. Right, and so I saw this post on Mastodon by Gus. He was saying that it has a huge executable binary. I don't know what that means, but basically that there's a bunch of Objective-C classes. And Objective-C is, like, the pre-Swift, like, Apple language. Not just Apple, but that's what a lot of Apple apps were written in. And it looks like there's a lot of JavaScript to Objective-C being transformed.

15:50And this support article that I'll also link, it talks about that Google has this tool inside that will transform Java source code to Objective-C for iOS. And so I don't, like, I'm not technical enough to know exactly everything that's happening, but I will say the app feels weird sometimes. It doesn't feel like, I don't know, like, first-party, like, an Apple developer app that's made for it. And the reason why I bring that up is because Sundar Pichai actually posted on X that this app was developed using Anti-Gravity AI, which is Google's AI, like, developer tool.

16:28And was talking about how it's, you know, it was used, written in Swift or whatever, but I don't know. I need more information. I want to know more about the details there. And if anybody has any resources on that, I'm curious. Or if you have the ability to, like, look at the code and really see, like, what's going on under the hood, I would just be curious. Because something feels a little weird to me. It's intangible. First of all, it's made by Google. So it's going to feel weird. Have you ever used Gmail? Like, come on. Well, no. I used FaxMail. I said, have you ever used Gmail? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I do that, yeah.

16:58Right. But, I mean, Google said, I'm trying to find it, but they said they spent 100 days, they built this thing from the ground up in Swift. Now, did they use code from other places? Like, probably. Like, I mean, but they also have, they already have a Gemini app on the iPhone. Like, so, I mean, you know that it's a native app in ways because, like, the right-click context menus are, like, the stock right-click context menus you'd expect to have, right? Like, and so it's much better than running Electron.

17:29If for no other reason than you load, like, an Electron app, like, I'll load one password, past sponsor of the show, fine. And all of a sudden, it's using 3.5 gigs of memory. And it's not because I have that many passwords. It's just because it's an Electron app, which means it's Chrome, which means it's just, like, inflating to consume all Earth. All the resources. Right? It's like, what was the movie? The Ryan Gosling movie right now? I was going to say The Blob? No, the one. Project Hail Mary. Yeah, thank you. It's like trying to consume the sun or whatever.

18:01That is what Chrome does in the background. Anyway, so I think it's good. I think there are some quirkiness to it. Like, it's kind of weird that the default font size is massive. Yeah, it's strange. Although the icon's real gray. I don't know why. I know it's nitpicking. It does look like it is, like, inactive. That's what that icon looks like. It's like you have Gemini down here, but it's gone to sleep. It's really sad or something. So, anyway, I'm glad they made a native app, though. Like, that was what people wanted, unlike some other AI chat option.

18:33Yeah, I am, too. I downloaded it. I'm going to be using it because I do use all the AIs in different ways. And I was using the Mac apps for Claude and ChatGPT. And we're going to talk about that Claude app in a minute. But, yeah, we'll see. It's out there. You can download it. The ChatGPT app, though, is much better. Much, much, much better. ChatGPT app is the best chat app. It's the best AI chatbot app, I think. You have your custom GPTs. It feels fast. It feels native. Like, yeah, that is, I think, one of the best apps. Speaking of AI and things, DaVinci Resolve, made by Blackmagic, they had an event where they announced a bunch of stuff.

19:09But Resolve 21 is now available in a preview beta. And they've added a bunch of crazy features to DaVinci Resolve 21. One being more photo editing tools. Now, DaVinci Resolve is thought of as a video editing tool. And a lot of people look to it for, like, color grading as, like, the best color grading experience that you can get in an app. But so they've now taken that and are trying to compete with Lightroom and have built photo editing capabilities into DaVinci Resolve so much so that you can process raw photos from, like, Sony, Nikon, Canon, all of that directly in Resolve 21.

19:45And it has all the same color correction and tools that you could do with video footage in Resolve. Now you can do it with still images. And you can import images from the photo, like the Apple Photos app, from Adobe Lightroom catalog files. So all of that competing now with Lightroom. So that's interesting. But then they're also just building more AI tools directly into Resolve. And there's de-aging and aging using AI just right into the app. And DaVinci Resolve is, like, free to download and just use, which is also why it kind of exploded in popularity in the last few years because it was one of the cheapest options and it was really good.

20:22And, you know, Blackmagic really makes their money with the hardware. They sell lots of different hardware, you know, both consumer and professional grade. But, man, de-aging is just going to, like, be there and available and anybody can do it. Like, I don't know. We're just in a place. These AI tools are just out there. Yeah, I downloaded this because the 21 beta because I didn't have – I had 20 on my machine. I don't really use it a lot. But I wanted to check out the photo stuff. And I think what is kind of messing me up is I don't want my photo editing app buried inside of a video editing app.

20:55It's just, like, one tab down at the bottom. It's like this has to be way too heavy for what I want to use it for if all I want is to edit photos. I can understand that if you're doing both on a regular basis or if you're going to be using photos in your video project, this is pretty killer because you don't have to go from one app. So, you know, go to Lightroom and then export either a TIFF file or a JPEG or a PNG or whatever it is you're going to use in your video. So that's great. But, like, there's a part of me that's like, if I really wanted to try this out, I want a dedicated app for that.

21:26Yeah. And maybe that's the next step. You know, maybe there will be a DaVinci whatever other app name and they might break out the photo editing. DaVinci Develop. DaVinci Develop. I mean, that's a nice alliteration. I don't know. Anyway. DaVinci Resolve 21. So that's out there. Preview beta and more AI and software. Adobe announced updates to Firefly, which is like their AI assistant. And I'll include this link if you want to go to it. But if you're watching, you can see it right here. They kind of have this preview where different things you can just prompt Adobe Firefly. And the use cases are actually pretty wild.

21:58Like, let's say you've taken some headshots for your business, maybe a small business. You can just give it a bunch of photos and just prompt it. Hey, touch up these headshots and it will auto align, auto center and adjust the lighting on all the headshots so they match. You can tell it to mock up, like give it a logo and just say mock up a bunch of merch and it will do all of that. You can tell it to resize a single image for all the different ad sizes, like Facebook ads, Instagram ads. And Firefly will just do that. And this is one of the things where this is not generative per se.

22:29I mean, it is like starting from a logo, starting from like your brand or whatever. These tools feel really good, especially for a small business. You know, I was just helping a friend who owns a chiropractor office in Lakeland set up some Facebook ads and like all the different sizes of graphics that you need specifically for a Facebook ad. And it won't even let you publish until you've, you know, met all these requirements. And they are not graphic designers. Like they basically have like one logo that they paid for years ago and that's all they have.

23:00It's like this would actually be a nice tool. Now, someone has to have all the Adobe apps in order to use Firefly, but for like mocking up a bunch of stuff or being able to do 50 headshots for a company and rather than going through each headshot and aligning and cropping and even copy and pasting adjustments, just being able to prompt it. And that seems pretty useful. I think that's, it might be positive. What do you think? I, Adobe's AI stuff is sort of interesting because I don't think like Adobe is where people do a lot of this work.

23:33And you've always had to go somewhere else. Like, so you could go to Gemini and use nano banana if you want to do like generative things. And Adobe is like, we don't like, this is the thing. This is like the Apple killing the iPod with the iPhone, right? Well, someone's going to do it. It should just be us. And so I feel like that, that's what Adobe is doing here. Adobe also has the benefit of a company full of people who just think all day long about how to increase subscription prices.

24:03No, I mean, how about how creative, how to serve the customer, how creatives are doing creative work. And so you would think they would be in the position, but then the other thing that's happening is you just described a scenario that Adobe is like, yes, Steven, say that louder. Because right now all of those small businesses are just doing it on Canva, right? And that is true. That is true. Which will do exactly what you just described. I know Canva has an AI. It has tools like that. And it has templates for everything. You can be like, I'm going to make a Facebook ad. And it's like, here, do you want it? Here's a template. And here's the thing. So that is true.

24:35You know, and what ended up happening as I was helping these friends set up the ads, like my one friend would just get on his phone and like try to recrop things until Facebook accepted it as the image size. And they're like, all right, we're good. That's like the lowest barrier to entry is just like using the crop tool in the photos app on your phone. And so it is a sell that you have to convince people to be like, this is worth it. But if you're, you know, a freelancer and you want to do like a brand kit for somebody, hopefully you're making the brand yourself and not just generating that with AI.

25:09But once you actually have a logo and then you want to be able to mock it up on a bunch of merch to show a brand like here's what it looks like on shirts and hats and bags. And also here's what it looks like on a sign outside your store window. I don't know. I feel less agita about using AI for those parts of the process as opposed to like actually generating the logo itself. How do you feel about like that as far as like the AI being involved in that part of the process? You're saying you've already created the thing and you just want to put it in a bunch of. I mean, yeah, that kind of makes sense.

25:39It's like AI will come up with creative ideas for you. But what you're really asking it to do is like this thing that would take me an hour and a half. You could just do it really quickly and then I can move on to the next thing. I'm fine with that. Like, I don't think that's a problem. Because I feel like Pixelmator Pro, since the last update with Creator Studio, they actually have like merch templates where you can open up a tote, a shirt, a hat, and literally just drag a logo into the Pixelmator canvas. And when you drop it, it will just warp the logo so it looks like it's on the bag or it's on the shirt.

26:15And it's like that feels like one step away that maybe kind of a meaningless step to just like prompting AI to be like, hey, can you put this on a shirt? So I feel okay with that. I know people have really strong feelings. And I feel increasing like on social media that there's like more pushback on all the AI stuff. But then also I think people are still using it more for more use cases. I don't know. Do you feel that tension at all? Yeah, everyone is using it. No one wants to talk about it. That's fine. Like, I mean, I get it. Like, if it's the thing that might destroy your personal career, like you probably don't want to tell people you're using it.

26:48But I operate from a philosophy that you should only do what only you can do. So, like, Steven, you're the only person who can make the Steven Robles videos and be on the camera because, like, it's you, right? But there are infinity things that don't have to be you, right? And if you're the designer and you have the idea and you're creating the brand, do that part. But mocking it up on a T-shirt is not a thing that only you can do. And when you come across those things, you may have a great person who works for you that does that. But if you don't, I think it's fine to use these tools.

27:20You should just never use them to do the thing that only you can do, which is speak in your voice or create your ideas. Yeah, that's good. That's good, Jason. You should write about that. I'm pretty sure I have. But maybe I'll look into it again. All right. We need to talk about slash complain about the Claude app because Claude messed me over. I was doing a live stream yesterday, and it was just failing. But they did add a bunch of new features, too. Even Claude code is now in the app as opposed to having to go in the terminal. So we're going to get to all of that.

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31:02Thanks to Shopify for sponsoring this episode. All right, we need to talk about Claude. I was so mad at Claude the other day because I was doing a live stream for my Shortcuts community, and they just had some massive updates where they redesigned the app, number one. They put Claude Code in the app as a tab. So now you have chat, co-work, and Claude Code all in a row. And they also added things that they call parallel agents, which I had it rename a bunch of files the other day, and it said it was using parallel agents.

31:32So I was like, okay, I guess if this gets it done faster. But it was totally broken for like half the day. I was in my live stream, and I said, here's a folder in my Finder. Rename the files in there. And it was like, sorry, I don't know. Something's wrong. And I was like, really? And then there was another update late yesterday. I don't know if you saw that. And it did work after that update. But I was like, Claude, come on. Let's get your act together. You got Mythos AI that you won't even release to the public. It's so powerful, and you can't rename some files in my Finder. I mean, maybe Mythos broke the Claude app.

32:03I like that conspiracy. I like that. We can roll with that. Maybe we'll do it. Well, okay, two things. They did add Cloud Code to the app previously, because that was what I was using. And I asked a chat window, Claude in the chat. I was like, I got this app that I made over there. Can you go look at it and make some suggestions for names? And it's like, Cloud Code is a command line thing. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't have access to those. And I'm like, but it's literally in the same app.

32:33Just look over there. Just do the thing you do, and just figure it out. And it wouldn't. But it used to be there was three options at the top of the app, and so you could see which mode you're in. And they got rid of that. And now there are just three tiny little icons above. And it's like, how am I supposed to know which of those three things is which? I don't like it at all. Now, there are a shift in what the interface looks like. If you go to code, it goes from obsidian gray to dark mode.

33:04Yeah, if you're watching. So this is the new Claude Mac app. Here's Claude code. And yeah, it looks like this is professional now. We're in the code world. And then this is co-work. And so it's a little lighter gray. And then there's chat. And so, yeah, it's chat. I mean, just put the words always appearing next to the icon so it's a little more obvious. Yeah, I don't like that. It's like you wouldn't automatically be – you don't feel like you're switching between three modes. And maybe that's what they want. But then I shouldn't actually have to be in different modes if you don't want me to think I'm in different modes.

33:34Like just put it next to the submit button. Do you want to submit this to code, code, or chat? Like I don't know. I don't know. I'm glad that code is now in the UI because now I might actually try to use it more. Because I was – I never felt comfortable in terminal. Oh, yeah. I was never going to use it if it was – if I had to just figure out something in terminal. Now, the reason it wasn't working for you is probably because Anthropic just cannot get enough compute. And so it takes a long time to do certain things at certain times when they just do not have nearly enough compute right now.

34:08Like that is their limiting factor. Like it is probably – sure, I'm sure they'll figure it out, solve it. But like that would be an existential problem for a company like this is to get more compute. So if you find yourself where it's like, you know, can we wait? Can we do that later? It was like noon. It was like 12 p.m., which is probably like the start of the workday for everybody in San Francisco. They're all opening Claude code immediately. Even everybody in Apple Park, which we're going to talk about, like everybody's using it. But, yeah, I mean it's working now. Maybe this is where Allbirds is going to come to the rescue.

34:40Allbirds is going to help them with some of their GPUs. This is not where Allbirds is going to come to the rescue, just to be clear. It is Newbird. Oh, yeah, Newbird AI, excuse me. But also in this update, Claude actually – you can now do parallel sessions. So you can like start a task and then start another task. And Claude can be working on those simultaneously. And routines and automations. So you can actually schedule things to run at certain times of day. And those automations will run in the cloud and supposedly not on the Mac. I feel like that's dependent on unless the task has to do with something on your Mac.

35:12Like if you have Claude Cowork and you create a routine where like every morning it renames all the files in your downloads folder, it's probably your Mac needs to be on. But I guess some tasks you can schedule it to be a routine and automation and it will run in the cloud even if your Mac is off. So, yeah, scheduled automations. Claude, Claude. But I still – I still default. I still have specific use cases. I still go to ChatGPT for these things, Claude for these things. Do you still – are you still straddling the line between some of these? Yeah, and now they put Gemini on my Mac so I've got to figure out how to work that in there.

35:45I just need a whole space on my Mac. I'll just put the three chat apps side by side. Just do it all. And then make them race. And then they can race. To the death. Like what is that, Maze Runner? Just kidding. Oh, yeah. There we go. I've actually never seen that. Hunger Games. Oh, yeah, Hunger Games. All right, I want to need you to tell – I saw this story and I'm going to put the Apple News article in the show notes. Can you tell me what DoorDash did?

36:08I didn't know this happened. One of our five-star reviews explicitly said something about how I appreciate you guys don't get – you don't mix the show with politics. I don't want this to be a story about politics. So just understand that. But I think the back story here was that there's this like policy or law that you don't pay taxes now on tips up to a certain amount of money. And so to highlight this, they did this thing with DoorDash where DoorDash sent a person to the White House to deliver some McDonald's to the president because the president famously is a big fan of McDonald's.

36:49He had that whole spread for like the Olympic team or whatever. Something like that. Some sports team. Yeah, serving Big Macs or whatever. And so people online were like, you tried to make this look like this was just this impromptu DoorDash delivery to the president and it was clearly staged. Which the point I tried to make was everything about the president, take the current person out of it. Every interaction the president has is staged, right? The logistics that go into ordering food, putting it in a bag, getting a person to knock on the door of the Oval Office and hand bags to the president.

37:24And that is not a thing that can happen. Just impromptu person walks off the street. Correct. Okay. Correct. No one thought this was not staged. Right. But DoorDash's PR person took offense to the idea that people suggested that it was staged. And the thing is, it's like no one says this is staged. Why are you like, I don't know. He went off and he went off the deep end. I like what you said in your article. You said this is an unforced error. It's exactly that because the first rule of crisis communication, which this didn't even have to be a crisis, but he made it a crisis by making himself the story completely unnecessarily.

38:02It's like just this will pass. Right, right. First of all, if you want to go to the politics, something else will happen. Like he'll order Starbucks and then the Starbucks person will show up food order. Like they'll move on. Like it'll be a different story very, very soon. I mean, it wasn't even like hours later that the, you know, the head of the center for Medicare or whatever says that the president believes that Diet Coke will cure cancer or something like that. Like you could have just been quiet and no one would have been talking about this story. Just be quiet. But you decided to take on all these people and it's like he felt this obligation to defend this person.

38:37Like, no, people would have moved on. And I think if you're the main character on Twitter, which everyone's will should not be to be the main character. I promise you. Just please take my personal experience from this. Jason was the main character. You don't want to be the main character on Twitter. Like if you could go your whole life without being the main character on Twitter, it'll be a happy life for you. So you should, and especially if your job is to be the PR person for a brand. Yeah. No, you should not be the main character. And I think, yeah, people aren't familiar.

39:08Like the idea of the main character on Twitter is like not a good thing. If you're the main character, it's because you did something dumb or you like Justine Sackoed and you made, you tweeted something really stupid. But I, I think we are a little different here. I don't know. When someone replies to me personally and tries to either like correct something I said or like attacks my knowledge about something. It is a struggle. Like I know if I ignore it, everything's better overall, but sometimes I do choose to respond.

39:42And like there was actually a comment on the latest Mac power users episode where we talked about Apple HomeKit. And in that episode, I say that the new Akara G200 video doorbell is the first power over Ethernet HomeKit secure video doorbell. And someone commented like, it's obvious there's so many things wrong in this episode. You obviously don't know anything. This is not the first power over Ethernet doorbell. And it bothered me because he was actually correct. The first one was actually a Robin Pro line, which no one has ever heard of.

40:17It costs $1,500 and it hasn't been updated in five years. And I could have made the argument of like the Akara one was the first in all the things. It has thread. It has 2K. Like it is the first in a lot of areas. The one aspect of power over Ethernet, it was not first. But I felt like responding because I found the timestamp of me talking about the Robin Pro line video doorbell specifically in an old HomeKit Insider from five years ago. And I was like, you know what? You're right, buddy. But here's how long I've been covering it.

40:48Here's a link to me talking about that exact doorbell five years ago. And I was like, I don't know. Maybe I should have just ignored him. Well, I don't ignore a lot of people. But hold on. There's actually three things I'm going to say really quickly here. Three things. As long as I don't forget them. The first one is the PR person from DoorDash was not responding to people who responded to him. He was literally just searching for mentions of DoorDash on X and then just responding to those people out of the blue. He's just dropping into people's replies all mad about whatever they said about DoorDash and this person and whatever. That's like that's bananas.

41:19Don't do that, especially if you're supposed to be the PR person. Secondly, there is a measure you should have. There's like this filter in the back of your mind of like, what will the pain be if I do respond to this versus what satisfaction will I get out of responding to this? And you do have to like be able to gauge that and just sort of judge like what you should respond to. And sometimes like the only response is like, you seem nice, right? Like you don't want, you can just, and it will get it out of you because then, because the third thing is this is just how some people make it through their day is I know a thing and that person was wrong and they have a platform.

41:59So if I pointed out that makes me better than them, like just let them have it. Sometimes you just, when I say let them have it, I mean, let them have in their mind, their superiority. Don't let them have it like punch them in the mouth. And sometimes silence is the best comeback. Absolutely. Because there was a person who kept responding to some of our videos about how basically the MacBook Neo is Satan's spawn and should never exist in anyone who says that it is. I think the person actually said that my family might get into a car accident because I was a liar.

42:29Oh yeah, it's real, real bad. And I was like, yeah, I don't think I'm going to respond to you anymore because you are clearly unwell. Yeah, no, no, comments like that. Yeah, but like I also had the stupidest video go viral recently, which I shared my speed test of like seven gigabits and it has a million views on Instagram and a million views on TikTok. And so obviously there's a ton of comments and like, to be fair, most people are either funny or nice and our audience is amazing. And like we rarely get these kinds of comments.

43:01One guy, and you know, you never know like what attitude is really behind it. But one guy commented was like, well, at least I have hair. And I was like, well, my internet speed blew mine off. And I felt like that was reasonable enough to come back and I moved on. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. You know, stuff like that. But I guess, yeah, when someone is like, you obviously don't know what you're talking about, about smart home, I'm like, bro. But there's also no point in defending it. Yeah, I mean, there are times. So, okay, here's, I don't know why we're spending this much time. I'm sorry. But there are times when I feel like someone is sincerely contrarian, meaning they're pointing out something, but they're, they just, they're sincere about it.

43:38And they think they're helping you in a way, right? Like it's not the you moron, whatever. How could you miss something so obvious? Those I tend to ignore. But the ones who are like sincere, I'll be like, yeah, because people don't seem to understand that you can't possibly include all of your knowledge in one video. And they think the same thing about every 600 word article that I write is like, let me just point you to like the 42 other times I wrote about that. Like, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, this is what it's like to create stuff online in case you're wondering. So, I don't know. I just need to get that off my chest, I guess.

44:09But I'm glad you have a podcast because that's how we do it. That's literally what it's for. All right. A couple of, I don't know about lightning round. We'll see how fast we get through these. But Apple is sending some Siri engineers to an AI coding boot camp.

44:22I thought this was interesting for a few reasons. This feels like you got sent to an anger management class because you went off on the intern. So, the information is reporting it. Part of it seems like maybe it's so the Siri team can learn how to use tools like Claude Code and OpenAI's Codex. I'll teach them. I'll show them. Yeah, Jason Vibecoded an app. He'll tell you. And so, part of it is that what I think this also reveals, though, is like while Apple has signed a deal with Gemini and Gemini will be powering, you know, the voice assistant come iOS 27 maybe, we think, that Apple still apparently is trying to get their own internal team up to snuff to maybe work on this stuff.

45:03Yeah. And so, you know, there's that question of like is Apple still going to be working on its own models while they're using Gemini in the meantime? It seems like yes. I mean, if they're sending engineers to a boot camp to use these tools, I imagine because they're working on Apple intelligence models. It also might be for like integration purposes, like how to integrate Gemini into iOS and things like that. But I don't know. Probably a good sign, right? I mean, I read this as they want engineers to use cloud code to make apps and they're sending them to a boot camp to basically figure out how to do what I took like 10 minutes to do.

45:36But I didn't have to unlearn anything like I didn't have to unlearn how to write code. And so I feel like this is what they're trying to do is like I don't know that it's like learn how to make models. I think it's learn how to use cloud code to I don't know. This is an interesting story because the fact that they're the Siri engineers. Right. Says something. I don't know. Like I'm not sure. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting tidbit. That's from the information. But we'll link the nine to five Mac article. Also, big deal. Amazon bought Global Star, which is a satellite provider for eleven and a half billion dollars in cash.

46:11Notably, Global Star was the satellite provider for Apple's iPhone satellite SOS feature. But some interesting points about like the number of satellites. So Amazon Leo, which is Amazon satellite internet service, which they have partnerships with people like Delta. Amazon Leo has 200 satellites up in low Earth orbit right now. They've aiming for 1600 by July. So just in a few months. In comparison, Starlink, Elon Musk's satellite internet, has more than 10,000 satellites.

46:48So a lot more. And Global Star, the company Amazon has just acquired, had 24. Yeah. Like two four. Like double dozen. And so Global Star did not have a ton of satellites in there. But in acquiring Global Star, Amazon has said it has struck a deal, an agreement with Apple, to continue providing satellite connectivity for the iPhone satellite SOS. And now the Apple Watch Ultra 3, also the satellite SOS. So Apple will be partnered with Amazon for at least this one feature, satellite connectivity.

47:21Well, and Apple owned, I think, 20% of Global Star. So in order for Amazon to buy it, Apple actually, there's like a three-way negotiation going on here. Because they, and there was also, so basically Apple got paid to just not have to do anything. It's like, they had to buy our share and we'll just keep using the service. Right. Great. I think it's interesting, though, because it's pretty clear that Amazon is trying to mount a serious, like, fight against Starlink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because Starlink is the default.

47:51It was quickly becoming the default on airplanes. United, JetBlue use them. Several Emirates, I think, uses them. But then Delta didn't go with Starlink, which I thought was really interesting that they went with Amazon LEO. LEO stands for Lower Earth Orbit. They also just decided to personify it and turn it into their brand. That's fine. But yes, they have some catching up to do in terms of their constellation. They operate slightly differently. But regardless, it is interesting because currently Starlink is almost, I mean, they do actually, you can, consumers can buy them.

48:24Right. You can buy the small satellites. They're really popular for people like who travel. RVs. Yeah. Whatever, you want to stay connected or if you live in a rural area that just isn't served well by, like, wires in the ground. Yeah. Yeah, fiber or cable or whatever. That's true. But what Amazon LEO just got was a billion iPhones. Now, not all iPhones are going to support this, obviously. As iPhone 14 and newer. Except all of those people on iPhone 10s and 11s and 12s still are eventually going to be upgrading.

48:55So, there's a billion people using iPhones. You just got the potential market that just dwarfs anything that Starlink could compete with. Yeah, but there's no monetary benefit to Amazon. Well, yet. And that was a point I was going to make. When Apple first announced the satellite SOS with the iPhone 14, they said it was going to be free for the first two years. And then never mentioned how much it might cost in the future. And hasn't since ever talked about what it would cost or have ever charged for it.

49:26And I think Apple just keeps saying, like, yeah, you get free satellite when you purchase a new device. But there's, like, no mention of how much this might cost to have satellite connectivity. Apple Watch Ultra 3 as well. Like, when that came out, they didn't say cost. So, maybe. Yeah, but Apple is clearly paying for it. Amazon is not just out of the goodness of Jeff Bezos' stone cold heart. But giving away free satellite service to anyone. For sure. For sure. So, I'm just saying there is a huge monetary benefit to as.

49:56And you're right. Like, if it only works on recent iPhones and the most recent Apple Watch Ultra, that's not that huge of a market. But eventually it will be as all of those people upgrade. And so, there will be real monetary benefit. And even still, even if it's not like we're just making cash off of this, you have locked out the biggest competitor in the market by having a billion users. That is true. I almost bought Starlink because when we were building this house, Frontier and Spectrum, the two service providers, were both like, yeah, we don't service your address.

50:26And so, I literally ordered Starlink and it was like coming. And when we finally got an address registered at the post office, I called Frontier Fiber again. And they were like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we service. Yeah, we're all up and down that street. I'm like, why couldn't you say that the first time? Like, but it's because we didn't have like a physical address listed yet. Like, in their system, every time I called, they were like, oh, yeah, we're not there. So, anyway. Your address literally didn't exist. So, of course, they weren't serving that address yet. I was literally sending them pictures of like the house being constructed. I'm like, I know the address doesn't exist, but we're right here.

50:57Can you see us? But anyway. I can see your box in the ground. Can you just run another course? Well, the problem for you is that if you had gotten Starlink, there's no way you would have gotten those internet speeds. No, definitely not. I also have a bunch of trees in my area. So, that satellite would have had to have been on a pole that's like 20 stories tall. That wouldn't have worked. But I think, Jason, you'll be excited about this news. I don't know if you heard about it. Did you know you can turn off shorts now in the YouTube app? Yeah, but it's weird. It's weird. It's a short. It's a screen time. It's a parental feature, right? It's a parental feature. You can turn them off on yourself. Yeah, basically you can set the amount of time you can spend scrolling shorts specifically.

51:31And if you set it to zero minutes, it will apparently hide shorts from your YouTube app.