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In honor of Skeptoid's 20th birthday, today we're playing episode from October 2006. Enjoy! Learn about your
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I view the God of Abraham in the same way that the average Christian, Muslim, or Jew views Shiva, Athena, or Odin.
“More than once in late-night bowl sessions with religious friends, I've been told that faith is a necessary component for developing a sound moral center.”
“If you knew me personally, you would probably find me to be a generally upstanding person, like yourself, who stays out of trouble, brushes his teeth, walks his kids to school, and tries not to shout too much in the library.”
“Nobody's going to do something like that, because it's so obviously wrong.”
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0:00Hey everyone, Brian here. This December, join me for another great skeptoid adventure. This one to New Orleans, where we'll take a deep dive into the history, pseudo-history, myths and legends of one of America's most storied cities. We'll explore French Quarter ghost, voodoo, and vampire lore with local expert Chris Purley, and walk through the historic St. Louis Cemetery No. 1. Did you catch my recent episode on the legendary Honey Island Swamp Monster? We'll be heading out to tour that very swamp, one of the most pristine
0:35and least altered river swamps in the U.S. Perhaps we'll catch a glimpse. We'll also catch live jazz on Bourbon Street, run a Bourbon Street scavenger hunt, tour the historic mansions of the Garden District, and stop in at the Mardi Gras Museum, the Pharmacy Museum, an oddities shop, and much more. And of course, we'll eat real Creole and Cajun cuisine, plus beignets and café au lait. It's a full weekend of true stories, tall tales, and the city that inspired
1:08both. Get the full itinerary and book your spot now at Skeptoid.com slash adventures. Hey everyone, Brian here. We have a treat for you, as today marks the 20th anniversary of the Skeptoid podcast. I know you're probably looking at Skeptoid and going, damn, it doesn't look a day over 19, but it's true. In honor of this galactically monumental day that marks two decades of keeping
1:41it skeptical, please enjoy episode number one, Religion as a Moral Center, from October 3rd, 2006. Enjoy, and as always, thank you for joining me on the Skeptoid train. What a long, strange, and skeptical journey it has been. You're listening to Skeptoid. I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com. Religion as a Moral Center. Today we pull open the drawer in the motel bureau
2:14and face the need to have a moral center, that core set of beliefs and ethics that governs the way we conduct ourselves and live our lives. Whatever your beliefs may be, I happen to be non-religious. I do not believe that supernatural deities exist. There's nothing evil or wrong about that. I view the God of Abraham in the same way that the average Christian, Muslim, or Jew views Shiva, Athena, or Odin. There's nothing evil or wrong about doubting the actual divinity of those
2:47characters either. Yet a common generalization made by some religious people is that the non-religious lack a moral center. More than once in late-night bowl sessions with religious friends, I've been told that faith is a necessary component for developing a sound moral center. The implication is that religious beliefs play an important role in the development of a normal, healthy system of ethics and personal conduct. Without religious faith, one is less likely to become a moral person.
3:19Thus, one of many reasons that people of faith want to reach out to the non-religious is to help them to find a moral center, both for their own good so that they can be saved, and for the good of society so they're not running around being immoral and unethical. My response to the religious people, after thanking them for the assumption that I'm an immoral person, is to compare our moral centers and see where these supposed differences lie. If you knew me personally, you would probably find me to be a generally upstanding person, like yourself, who stays out of trouble, brushes his
3:54teeth, walks his kids to school, and tries not to shout too much in the library. Like you, I am generally an honest person. I don't cheat people in business. I don't steal or commit crimes any worse than speeding on the freeway. I lie all the time, but only when the lie is a helpful one. For example, yes, you look great in those parachute pants.
4:19Like you, I play fair in sports, even against unfair opponents. I try to be a gracious loser and occasionally even a gracious winner. Like you, my family is the most important thing in my life. Preserving the love, trust, and happiness in my family absolutely outweighs all other priorities in my life. Like you, I have a clear sense of right and wrong. Generally, behavior that injures someone else is wrong, and most of us, religious or not, avoid doing that whenever possible.
4:54Like you, if I see a complete stranger drop their wallet, I'll spring into action like Batman to return it to them. It would never occur to either you or I to keep it, or expect a reward for returning it. If I see an elderly woman, I do not run over, punch her in the face, and steal her purse. And neither does a religious person. But note that no religious person ever says, I would love to punch out that old woman, but I can't, because the restrictions of my religion forbid it. Nobody's
5:26going to do something like that, because it's so obviously wrong. Rarely, or never, does any basically good person, and that's most of us, need religious commandments to stop them from doing something wrong. In summary, my moral center is essentially the same as yours. It comes from the basic goodness of human nature, and my own sense of right and wrong that is universally shared among all people. It does not stem from having read any particular set of religious commandments,
5:58or from fear of punishment from a deity. Since I formed this ethical system in the lack of a religious context, how could my moral center be so similar to that of the average Christian or Buddhist? I argue that everyone's basic moral center comes from human nature, the nurture of societal interaction, and the sense of right and wrong. Since everyone already has these things, the need to credit religion as an additional source is redundant, and thus wholly unnecessary.
6:33A common retort from religious people is that their particular God gave me these things, common sense and the ability to tell right from wrong. If that's so, and everyone, atheists included, has been gifted with all the fundamentals needed to develop a moral center, then we're still left at the same place. A religious upbringing is still superfluous. Religion is an important and favored part of life for most people. Its practice brings them satisfaction in many ways. But religion is
7:06absolutely not necessary to become a good person or to have a sound moral center. Philanthropists, educators, educators, doctors, and emergency workers have the same general breakdown of religious affiliation, including no religion, as the population at large. Because they are the population at large. Embrace this species you belong to, its strengths, its accomplishments, its knowledge, and seek not to divide it by qualities that don't matter. Because it is the only group you will ever irrevocably be a part of.
7:43You're listening to Skeptoid, a listener-supported program. I'm Brian Dunning from Skeptoid.com. From PRX.
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