iPhone 18 Pro Reviews, iOS 27 + Siri AI are OUT, AI Annihilation or Nah?

Welcome and tech news overview

0:00Two sloths, a mammoth, and a saber-tooth? You sound like the start of a bad joke. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. It's iOS 27 and iPhone 18 week. All the reviews for the phones are out there, and we might even do a live unboxing here on the show. Stay tuned for that, and we're going to get into all the Siri AI, iOS 27 stuff. 27.2 Beta is already out with a brand new health app. I'm running that on iPhone Air. Apple Watch reviews are out there. Oh, and apparently AI may or may not exterminate us, and we'll get to that too. But this episode is brought to you by Surf API, Framer, and you, the members who support us directly.

0:33I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles, eagerly looking for a FedEx truck outside my window. And I'm joined by Jason Aten. How's it going, Jason? I'm good. I cannot see the photo. Well, I'll be able to tell, but I will not be looking in that direction. If you're watching this podcast and you keep seeing me snap my head looking to the side, it's because we're both expecting a FedEx delivery. And if it arrives on air, we will do a live unboxing on the show. And there's a much better chance that Stephen's will arrive because of when his FedEx person shows up. That's right. Now, the quote is related to what I am receiving.

1:06And I imagine you've got two slots of mammoth and a saber tooth. Okay, because of the glacier. See, you already got it. You already got the connection. Yeah, I feel like it's got to be like one of those Ice Age movies. Exactly. I don't even know which one. I haven't actually seen them all, I don't think. Those are the movies that are just ambiently on in the background when my kids are watching them, and I'm trying desperately not to pay attention. That's exactly it. It is one of the Ice Ages. I don't know which one either, because it's a crazy week. And so we just got to get it out there. Just got to do it. We have some five-star review shout outs. Thank you for these. Gen X pharmacist from the USA said they make tech fun.

1:38Primary technology where tech meets whimsy. Yes. And by the way, speaking of whimsy, I did. Was it you guys? Was it you and Sparks talking about the iPhone Duo? Yes. 100% the iPhone Duo has whimsy. We can't talk. Okay, that's fine. Listen, I only said the word whimsy because someone put it in a review. I'm giving you. I'm giving you your flowers, Steven. Okay, appreciate it. That's all we're going to say about it. I'm going to have to give you, I don't know if it's flowers or rage when we talk about battery percentage. But anyway, and then Mac McAndrew from the USA said, Jason is becoming more human every week.

2:09I don't know what that means. I don't either. But we're fighting against AI annihilation one episode at a time. This is what I'm here for. I'm practicing on the, you know, save humanity. That's it. That's it.

2:21My 12-year-old watched all three movies this weekend. Wait, the Dark Knight trilogy? Yeah. Wait, how old? 12. Was it scary at all to the 12-year-old? No, but the kid has seen every Marvel movie. He's seen every Marvel movie except Deadpool for reasons I'm sure you can understand. Sure. I mean, the Dark Knight, like the Scarecrow in the first one and the Joker in the second. There's some intense moments. Yeah, my wife was like, what are you guys watching? Because she walks in as like the Scarecrow is talking to the mobster. There's like worms coming out of his face. Yeah, what is this happening?

2:52But I asked him which one was his favorite. I thought for sure he was going to say number two because of the Joker or number three because it just actually seems like it came from a different era. Bane is pretty cool though. I think Bane is one of the best supervillains of all time. But anyway, he says number one. He liked number one. Number one is surprisingly good. I watched that with my oldest a few months ago and Batman Begins, it holds up. It holds up. Absolutely. It really does. All right. And last thing, Podcast 728, I had a question. Where does our intro music come from? And I might have mentioned this months ago, but we commissioned that.

3:23That is original music from Breakmaster Cylinder, music producer. He's made the music on shows like Darknet Diaries and The Verge and Decoder and actually paid him to make us some music. So that is original. That is a primary tech original. You won't hear it somewhere else. It's not stock music and I'm really proud of that. And someone asked, can we get outro music? Listen, I don't know if I can add yet another step. I'm already, I already have multiple editing steps for the video of this show because Riverside doesn't equalize the volume very well. And so I export the video from Riverside.

3:53I add the audio that I do. That takes an hour to export from even on my Mac studio. So I'll try, I'll try. We'll see. I don't know if I can do it. What you don't understand is if you see this show up in your feed, between the time it showed up in your feed and the time we're recording it, Steven is just like on the hamster wheel continuously. I make a second cup of coffee. I sit on my back patio and I just refresh the feed waiting for it to show up. And over here, Steven is furiously working on this. This is actually not even an exaggeration.

4:25It's not an exaggeration. It's basically true. I actually recorded myself doing everything for the show a couple of weeks ago. Just, I set my Osmo for like just watching me and I'm going to post that real because I think it is insane probably. But anyway, we have to get to all this stuff. Last couple of things. We had some great photos of the medieval night riding the polar bear. So thank you to everyone sending those in. I forgot who sent me this one. I'm so sorry, but this is our medieval night on a polar bear on a backpack. Very cool. And then Chris sent me an email, Mount Washington State Park, our medieval night riding the polar

4:57bear is everywhere. Still got to get to Antarctica, Antarctica, but we're going to get there. We're going to get there. Do you think our polar bear has whimsy? Anyway, don't answer that. Let's go. Let's move on. Yes.

iPhone Duo and Emmy Awards

5:07Oh, oh, that's wonderful. I'm glad. I'm glad you said yes. Here's something that made me upset, though, because we talked about the iPhone Duo last week and I thought surely there's no way to have a battery percentage number on the iPhone Duo because it has a little circle and that's what's going to be the battery percentage. But no, Jason will be able to put a battery percentage number on that little semicircle and it is just as ugly as the other one. Oh, no, it's way uglier. But let me just say something. Sure, sure. I've thought about this a lot.

5:38Yeah. I think that my main reason for the number is I do actually care what percentage of my battery is at. Sure. And the visual indicator on the iPhone, not Duo, is just not sufficient for actually knowing what that information is. So that's what I need the number for. In this situation, I think it would be fine. I think you can approximate enough what your battery percentage is at without the number. Yeah, because I feel like on a pro, pro max even, between 40% and 65%, it's very difficult

6:10to know what it's at. And I'm not a strict number theologist. I feel like it's possible. It's not like the number itself is magical. It's just I do want that information. And in this case, I do actually think that you could survive. And also, it's like there's no good place to put it. Like that's terrible. That's super bad. It looks weird. It looks weird. But we'll see about battery life at the Duo once that comes out. I've seen people, creators and such, they're kind of doing like secondary events. I don't know if you've seen this. Like Tom from Byte Review, he got invited to just kind of do a hands-on and record some

6:42B-roll and share a reel about it. So they're like eking out stuff. And also, the iPhone Duo made an appearance at the Emmys. Did you see this stuff? I mean, I did not watch the Emmys, but I have seen this. Okay, yeah, same. So I will link the 9to5Mac article where there's a video clip. It's a reel that, you know, went big with John Ternus, Apple's CEO, on the red carpet. I have to say he looks really good in a tux. Just being real. He's a good-looking guy. But he pulls out the iPhone Duo from his tux jacket.

7:14And the nanotexture means you can't see a thing on his screen. It's like dark. I think there's a different reason for this because I saw a lot of people making this controversy. Oh, look, the iPhone Duo sucks because you can't even see the screen. And here's the thing. It's bright sunlight, which those cameras are like the aperture and the iris is adjusted for that. And that screen just isn't capable of overpowering the sun. It's exactly that. And if you saw any of the videos of the iPhone Duo at the event that creators captured, like, the screen looks great. Yeah. And everybody praised the nanotexture on the inside.

7:47So, anyway, there was that. So, John turns out the Emmys. Apple TV also swept a bunch. The Widow's Bay, it scored, I think it was, how many of these? Set a record. It set a record. Six Emmys. Outstanding comedy series. Cato Flynn, Steven Root, Matthew Rice. All of them, outstanding lead actor in a comedy series. Pluribus. Rhea Sehorne, outstanding lead actress in a drama series. Like, Apple TV won a bunch. And I thought one of the funniest reactions was the HBO head actually has a quote.

8:18This is HBO boss Casey Bloys. Because of course he was going to get asked. Of course he was going to. Yeah, yeah. He was asked by deadline after the awards show for his reaction to Apple TV's performance. And he said, well, I'm very happy. I think they're very handsome competitors. Look, we've had very formidable competitors going back to AMC, Netflix, Amazon. The last sentence, though, he says, it's a little scary that they're a trillion-dollar company. But we'll keep doing what we're going to do. I get it. It would be intimidating. Yeah. I mean, come on. Your problem is that you're a part of Warner Brothers.

8:50Right. Which has been a part of very large companies on and off and just seems to destroy them. So. Yeah, that is true. So what was interesting, though. So John Ternus had the iPhone duo on the red carpet. I think, of course, that was very planned. And then he had a, there was a reel posted on the Hello Apple Instagram account. And it was showing all the Emmy winnings of the Apple TV and all the actors and actresses. And there was a frame of that reel that I screenshotted and posted everywhere.

9:23Of John Ternus taking a selfie with some of the cast of Apple TV. And he's using an iPhone 18 Pro in burgundy. Now, yes, Apple, all of this is planned. They want to show off both phones, whatever. But it was interesting to see the comments because people were like, even Apple CEO knows the selfie camera on the iPhone duo is not great. I don't know if that's the case. But one other, if you have any comments on that, let me know. But I think what is also interesting, a bunch of people ragged on him in my comments because he's holding the phone in landscape.

9:57And iPhones, since these 17s, I think, have the square sensor where even if you hold the phone in portrait, it will automatically widen out to capture the selfie of a larger group of people. And so everybody was like, why is he holding it in landscape? And so, Jason, I need to know, you're a photographer. I think you probably take some selfies. Is this how you – how do you hold a phone when you're taking a selfie? I probably would almost all – it is – okay. Young people are just so used to taking selfies one particular way.

10:29But I actually think that holding your phone like this to take a selfie is way harder than just holding it like this to take the selfie. Horizontally. Especially if you have more than, like, two people in the frame. And it's not necessarily a framing thing, but just – let's do some math, people. There's, like, six people in this picture. And by rotating his phone the way that he did, all of them will be able to see the screen. See? Because it's wider instead of looking at the small thing, you know, oriented on the thing. So I think it's more a user experience that John Ternis was trying to provide for those people so that they could all see the photo that was being taken.

11:05And so I – that, I agree. And this is how I do it. I will orient the phone when taking a selfie how I plan the final photo to be, like, in what orientation. So if this is something I'm going to share, like, as an Instagram story, I will hold the phone vertically. If this is a selfie of my family that maybe I just want to keep, I will hold the phone horizontally. Even if I get a – the same image aspect ratio, in my mind, I want to hold the phone how I plan to use that photo in the future, whether for personal use or for sharing.

11:41And like you said, if you have, like, three kids, if we're trying to take a selfie with me, my wife, and my three kids, I will hold it in landscape because I do feel like it's easier to angle it. Because also then the camera can be – like, if I'm holding it in my right hand, my family is on my left, having the camera on the left side, I can kind of angle it out more to make sure I get everybody rather than trying to hold it vertically and tilt my wrist in a certain way. So anyway, I just felt justified because this is how I would take a selfie, and it matches CEO John Ternis, who I think listens to this show.

12:12So there you go. Yeah. I think that that makes sense. That's all. That's all.

iOS 27 release and HomeKit

12:16Okay. That was enough about Emmys and I was 27. So iOS 27, it is out. You can download it on all your things. I did a video about the 150 new features. There's even more than that, but I did a video on 150 features I'll put down below. Have you – how does your family upgrade? Do you tell your family to upgrade? Do you upgrade it for them? That's what David Sparks does apparently. I have to do that for my wife because she just doesn't care. Sure. And then usually she gets mad at me because something is different.

12:47Sure. My daughters are pretty good about it. Like I would be not surprised if their MacBooks and their iPhones have already just been updated. I'm sure that they did it because they want the features. They give me the features. But I will sometimes have to say like, hey, you need to like make sure you've updated because of whatever. So – but my wife, she's just like – I mean, it worked the day we bought it. Why don't – we just – it's like me with a TV. I just only ever want it to work the way it did the day. It's like, but these are computers. These are capable of doing new things.

13:18So I will get around to updating my wife's – she has an M1 MacBook Air, so it's not like critical. It's not going to be doing a ton of like – it's capable of doing Siri intelligence or Apple intelligence, but it's not going to be doing crazy stuff. Right. So I'll link my video in the show notes with all the features. There's one feature I'm going to call out particularly, but obviously Siri AI is the story. Sorry to all those in the EU who do not get it. Hopefully Apple figures that out also in China. But I think Siri AI is why people are going to upgrade. A lot of people are discovering that there was a wait list, and for some people it was taking multiple days.

13:52I also – I'll put a video down in the show notes. I have a whole Siri AI walkthrough, 50 different ways to use Siri, and I was discovering new ways to use it. While I was making the video, which was wild. Really, really impressive stuff. But there's one feature that – I was a little upset, Jason. I'm going to be honest. Okay. Before – I don't even know what this is. I haven't looked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I was just writing the document, so it's possible I saw. But is this a feature you're upset about or that normal people will be upset about? I'm just curious. I'm trying to gauge how upset I should get.

14:24I think both. Okay, good. I'm excited. Oh, you're excited? So here's the thing, Jason. A big – Apple Home got some big updates. We get 4K HomeKit Secure video, which I still don't see on any of my cameras, so I don't know what that's going to take. The Apple intelligence summaries for videos, meaning you will get – like rather than Stephen – there's motion in the garage. Stephen got in his car. Garage door is open. Garage door is closed. Rather than getting a bunch of notifications, you should get a summary of all the events that happened.

14:56Stephen left. Just Stephen left. That should be what it says. Now, I was not getting these during the beta cycle for some of my key cameras, like my doorbell camera and my garage. And I wasn't sure why. The beta cycle – you know, I was listening to Jennifer Toohey, and she was like, these features aren't really there-ish. But I discovered something troubling. Now, number one, the Apple intelligence summaries for HomeKit Secure videos are paywalled behind iCloud+. Now, HomeKit Secure video, you always had to have an iCloud Plus plan.

15:28But I'm going to link a friend of the show, even though he's never been on, William Gallagher, his article here on Apple Insider. There is a cost to the amount of cameras that get this Apple intelligence feature. So you have to be on a 2-terabyte plan, and you get one camera in the Apple intelligence summaries for HomeKit. And that's $10 per month. Or if you're in an Apple One family subscription, that also includes one camera with the 2 terabytes of storage. That's $40 a month.

15:58If you want to double that to two whole cameras in Apple intelligence summaries, then you have to be on the 6-terabyte iCloud Plus plan, which is $30 more a month. Now, we talked about in the pre-show for our members that I might not have great storage hygiene, but I pay for the 6 terabytes of iCloud storage. So I have two cameras. But if you want up to five cameras in the Apple intelligence summaries for HomeKit, you have to be on the 12-terabyte iCloud Plus plan that is $60 a month.

16:29I would have to pay $60 a month in addition to my Apple One subscription for my family if I wanted five cameras. Now, I have more than five cameras in HomeKit Secure Video because I do a lot of smart home stuff. So I was like, I'm just going to make it work with two. I don't know if I want to pay another $60 a month. So the two cameras, I didn't realize, you have to choose which cameras. Otherwise, they will be chosen for you, and they will choose the worst cameras. The one that's in the closet that no one ever opens.

17:00Exactly. So I made the discovery as I updated. I was making my video about all the iOS 27 features, and I was like, all right, let me go into the Home app. I'm going to go to the three-dot menu. I'm going to go to Home Settings. There's the Apple Intelligence section. There's a Summarize Videos toggle. I had that on, but in camera, you have to tap Cameras and Language, and there you have to manually choose which cameras you want to be included. And this is what, I have to turn my brightness down. This is what my menu looked like.

17:32And as you can see, the toggles are disabled. I can't toggle on anymore because I'm only on that six-terabyte iCloud Plus plan. And the cameras that were chosen were my studio camera where I'm sitting in here all day doing video stuff. So the summary is like, Stephen is typing. Stephen is typing. And then my, this is going to sound weird, but I have a camera in the pantry because I didn't know where else to put it. I called it. You have one in the closet. I do have one in the closet. And so there's a camera in the pantry because I was just like, I just got to put this somewhere.

18:04I need to know which one of the children is taking the oatmeal cream pies. And let's, let's be real. Let's be real. So those were the two cameras that were toggled on. And I didn't realize, I assumed it would choose the doorbell camera because that's the one where everybody's coming and going. That's where all the deliveries are. And that was not toggled on, nor was my garage camera where there's the most activity of cars going in and out. So the entire summer during the beta season, the wrong two cameras were selected. And for anyone out there now who's been updated to iOS 27, update your Apple TV.

18:38You have to go and choose what cameras, because you only get one, two, or five. Choose what cameras are in this feature. And it also feels kind of meh that I only get two cameras even though I pay for the six terabyte iCloud. Is it because it's saving it in iCloud? Or is this just an arbitrary connection between your iCloud subscription is now becoming? Well, this is nothing to do with storage. What I guess I'm saying is the reason that two cameras can be connected to this, if you're on that tier, because it's saving the video in iCloud, right?

19:13Yes. And the iCloud Plus, I can have unlimited HomeKit secure video cameras. Just the cameras connected and recording. And I get all those clips. The limitation is only for the Apple intelligence summary that is being processed on Apple TV, I guess. Because they said, I think that those things are being processed. They don't process maybe in the cloud, or maybe it does. And that's a private cloud compute limitation, which once iOS 27 came out, Apple was like, there are some features that are going to be rate limited. So you can't extend 1,000 photos a day using private cloud compute.

19:47And I'm not sure what the limit is actually. But I guess it's that, the limitation. It does feel weird to be linked to your iCloud storage tier. That's all I'm saying. It'd be one thing if it's like Apple One. We have an Apple One tier that includes whatever else, Apple Intelligence plus Pro Max or something like that. That would make sense. But this, it doesn't make sense. Yeah. So anyway, choose the cameras. You know, go in there and be intentional if you only get one or two. If you upgraded to have five cameras with summaries, let me know. I don't know if I'm making that jump.

20:18I don't need my pantry camera summarized. So anyway, let us know. Also, leave us a five-star rating and review in Apple Podcast. And what was the thing I was going to say to leave it in? Oh, do you download podcast episodes or do you stream them by default? We had a discussion in our pre-show and we need to know. So please leave us a five-star rating and review. Let us know. Or just email the show. It's down in the show notes.

App updates and Siri AI

20:38All right. What should we do next? I put a question in there. You put a question here. Thank you for doing that because the answer is yes. So iOS 27 is out. Siri AI is out. I also have a whole video on 50 ways you use Siri AI, which I'll put in the show notes. But our apps, we've updated our apps. You've updated your app. Doesn't it have new features now? Steven, my app was featured in the App Store. That's right. As updated for Golden Gate. I'm so happy. That is very cool. That's the coolest thing ever. Did you put promotional text in your app that's like, hey, updated for Macros 27 or whatever?

21:11Or did they just find it? I did. And I submitted an editorial feature request. I don't know if they saw that because I did it the day before and it says to give us three weeks. So I don't know if there was any connection there. But there were several people from Apple who liked my post about the update. So that made me feel really good. But anyway, yes. So I did update mine for Golden Gate. And here's the thing, Steven. Because I had built a feature for... I'm talking about contextly. Element did get an update. Mostly it's related to the raw version 9 pipeline. It's just super better.

21:42Photo processing for raw. Super better. Super better. Super better. A lot of improvements there. So if you're interested in a raw editing app for your photos that is much more in the spirit of Aperture, go check it out on the photo.app. But contextly, I had wanted this feature. This is one of the main reasons I built this app in the first place is I wanted to have my collection of notes in a place where I could then add summaries to them, add action items. But Apple intelligence had like a 4,000 token limit for the longest time,

22:13which is like if you have a note that's a normal length, it's too long for it to do it on device. So I had built this whole Rube Goldberg machine where it was sending things to OpenAI. If you opted into that using the API, it would do the summaries. Now all that is available on device. Well, it is available with Apple intelligence. Sometimes it goes to private cloud compute, which is now a thing that we can use because we're part of the small business program. And I built a feature that's completely redundant now, but I built it anyway. Because within contextly, there's a feature now, if you're on one of those subscription plans called ask contextly,

22:48where you click that little question mark thing up there. And what it does is it brings up a chat window and you can just chat with your notes. And it will just ask, you can ask it like, what was the thing in this meeting we decided we wanted to do? And it'll give you that information. Then you can ask follow up questions. But even cooler, I'm super excited about that feature. And it works really well now with Apple intelligence. And it does send things to private cloud compute when they're more than whatever the token window is. So all of that is great. But even better is you can actually just ask Siri those same questions now. I can literally just say, what did we decide the color should be for the background in that meeting?

23:21And it'll just pull it up and it'll link right to the note. So now it has Siri app intents and it has Apple intelligence built in. And I'm super excited about it because like I was doing this in the car yesterday, driving home from a soccer game. Because like when I'm physically incapable of either writing things down or looking things up is when I have all my best ideas. And so I'm having this entire conversation with Siri. But then I'm also asking her questions like, okay, so I think we talked about this. And I was doing tests with it.

23:52I was like, what was the name that I was using Mike Hurley as an example of the interview I did with him for Creative Effort. I was like, what was the name of that product? Like the sideways something. And what was the name of his company that makes it? And it's like, oh, based on your conversation with Mike Hurley, that's the sidekick notepad from Cortex brand. I was like, and then it pulled up the Contextly note that was the summary for it. So I'm super excited about this. I know I sound really excited, but I literally have wanted this feature from day one. And I had built most of it. Well, Claude built most of it on day one.

24:24But I just held off releasing it because it sucked because Apple intelligence wasn't capable of doing it. And I didn't want to rely entirely on the open AI integration because I really like the idea that it's all staying on your device or just going to private cloud compute. So that is awesome. That is very exciting. And I updated my CanDo app for Siri AI as well. So you can ask what tasks are in there, what tasks I have today. You can add tasks to CanDo using Siri AI. There's a bunch of great apps that have been updated as well. Fantastical, Things, Focus, Mercury Weather, like a bunch of apps out there with Siri AI.

24:59There's like features in the App Store where you can see the full list. But it's exciting. And listen, Siri AI is good, to be clear. Like it is very, very good. Jason and I have been using it all summer. Or just you got to try it. You know, whatever experience you've had with the voice assistant on your iPhone up until this point, it is not that. It is way better. No, it's very good. It is very, very good context. Like if you ever wanted to know like where did I save that thing or, you know, you're not sure if it was a text message or a mail or a calendar event. You could just ask like where was that thing about X, Y, and Z.

25:32And it is incredibly good at finding those things. Searching back way far in messages. Like I asked an obscure question the other day about like when was the last time this person asked me about this. And it was like, oh, it was about seven years ago. Like it's wild, wild stuff. Emails too. So you got to try it out. Put it on your devices. David Sparks on Mac Power Users and myself on our episode that comes out this Sunday. We talk even more in depth about it, especially on the Mac, which is really powerful there. Command, Shift, and the number six is now it kind of gives you this like screenshot-esque interface where you can highlight a part of your screen.

26:09And just ask Siri about whatever. And it's really great. So highly recommend. You got to try it out. And hopefully you have it. Again, sorry to those in the EU. The only drawback, one, the Command Shift 6 I don't like because that's also the CleanShot X shortcut for doing a screen recording, like a video recording. So I need to make some adjustments there. But the only thing that I have found with Siri, it is very cool. I definitely agree. I do find that it was weird because getting Contextly to work with Apple.

26:44By the way, there's no Apple Intelligence features really in Element because there's some things that it already does, like auto-tagging and stuff, that I didn't need Siri Intelligence for that. But I found that if I was typing a conversation to Siri, it couldn't find things for a while. That's why I ended up sending you that markdown file of how to make Siri work in the app intents in your app and stuff. I have found that if you had been using the beta, I don't know what would be different because the release candidate is a release candidate. But if you were using the beta, there were some weird situations with some apps where things that if you talked to Siri would find them.

27:19But if you typed in the Siri app, it wouldn't. But I think once you update to the actual public version of it, all that stuff is resolved. So if you're having those issues, update to the public version. And I was having issues like you did where when I would ask it for show me photos from Apple Park in June, on the last beta, even the release candidate, it would not show me photos. Like it just refused to do it. I don't know if it was a security thing. But if you were on the release candidate and then you turned beta updates off on your devices, you got an iOS 27 update.

27:50You got the official release on Monday and it is a different build number and all that photo stuff started working again. And so if you were on the release candidate, turn the beta update off and go to the public version, at least for now. And if you want to jump over to the 27.2 beta, I guess you can do that, which we're going to talk about and why they skipped 27.1. But update to the public release candidate. It's a better experience.

iPhone 18 Pro reviews

28:11And real quick, before we take a break, before we get to 27.2 and maybe a live unboxing, there were a bunch of iPhone 18 Pro reviews that went out. The embargo lifted Wednesday, so yesterday as we record. If you want the photographer review, highly recommend Tyler Stallman's video. I always look to him for camera stuff on the new iPhones and then, of course, Jason. And also Austin Mann. And Austin Mann's review is not out yet. I'm sure he's at some exotic location.

28:41And, you know, his is going to be amazing. But Tyler Stallman goes in-depth, not only about the variable aperture, which is one part of the story, and I think even a lesser part of the story. But he also talks about synigmatic mode after the fact and 30 frames per second. He talks about the new Photogenic Styles 3, which includes skin smoothing, grain inhalation, which is the orange glow around some images taken in certain lights. So highly recommend Tyler Stallman's camera video. And then, if you've noticed, like, the Verge YouTube channel has just been a lot of podcast clips, and they don't do a lot of, like, full-length review videos anymore.

29:16But they did one for the iPhone 18 Pro. And Allison Johnson, who I've gotten to meet and hang out with at WWDC. We sat next to each other when we watched the F1 movie in the Steve Jobs Theater. She has a really great review. More overall, but she also focuses on the camera. And she has just great explainers talking about what's new, why you get starry light effects with that variable aperture. I highly recommend her video. There's a bunch of great videos out there, too. Brian Tong did one about the new cellular handoff, which is a new feature.

29:47If you want a dual-fist iPhone, iPhone Duo in one hand and 18 Pro in the other. And then one other video I'll point out is the Dave2D video, which he focuses on the underscreen face ID sensor. And it is a wild feat of engineering. Because this was something we always wondered, like, well, there'll always be a dynamic island because face ID, sensor, whatever. That's under the display in the 18 Pro. And how they do it is the face ID, on the 18 Pro, it's, like, in the top left corner where, like, your cellular information might be or whatever.

30:25But they've reduced the pixel density in that one area above the face ID sensor so the infrared light that comes from the face ID sensor can pass through the display and accurately read your face. And the way they get away with this is they make those pixels brighter, even though there's less pixels in that one little area. So to the naked eye, you can barely see any difference. And you probably won't see any difference. Like, even Dave2D was, like, looks exactly the same.

30:55And you really have to look under a microscope to see the difference in pixel density between, like, the regular part of the screen versus what's on top of that face ID sensor. And it is astounding. And also, he mentioned that some screen protectors, he started having an issue with face ID. So that will be an interesting problem if you use screen protectors and an 18 Pro because that face ID, you know, most screen protectors, they have the cutout for the dynamic island. Now that that face ID is under the screen, we'll see. And maybe some screen protectors will – I just got a notification that someone was at my door.

31:28Oh, never mind. It was my son. He's playing soccer outside. He's not bringing you anything. He's not bringing me an iPhone 18 Pro. So, anyway, I thought it was super interesting, super cool part of the technology that most people are not talking about. And, yeah, you should watch those videos. You got anything about the 18 Pro? Did you watch any of these? I watched some of them. I am interested in the camera. I'm a little bit confused still. I think the Apple reference image is going to be really interesting. But it's weird because you have to activate a setting, which then enables a mode, and you have to take the photo in that mode.

32:07Yes. And what isn't clear to me, and I really haven't been able to get any information about yet, is that because it's, like, the compute limitation? Like, they don't want you doing that for every photo because if you take 7,500 photos a day, they don't want to be sending them all to private. Like, this feels like it's, and you can't retroactively do it. You have to have taken the photo. So, it's like you have to be standing near the book depository when Lee Harvey Oswald fired the rifle and took the photo of JFK.

32:37That's right. With that mode turned on, you couldn't have taken the photo and gone back and said, oh, no, this really happened. So, like, that to me is kind of interesting, and I haven't been able to really get information about why. And it is not also clear what the process is going to be like to how this has surfaced for someone. Like, if I send you a photo that exactly matches the reference image, is there some kind of a flag that you'll see? Because otherwise, I don't really understand, like, the purpose of it. So, I'm still trying to figure that out, but I do think it's really important. Yeah, well, I'm glad you mentioned it, because one of the links I had for today is Apple did post a blog all about Apple reference image.

33:13It is not super long, but it is long and technical. And so, if you do want to read about the actual feature, they have this blog post. 9to5Mac also had a good breakdown trying to, like, distill what this is about. So, they do explain it. Yes, it is very much like an active, you have to purposefully do this. So, if you build a time machine to go back to that day in 1960-something, what was it, 1962, 3? Sure. Anyway, just make sure you have this reference image turned on if you take that photo.

33:46But, anyway, Apple has the whole blog post about it, and, yeah, we'll do that. All right, we're going to take a quick break, and then we're going to get to iOS 27.2. Apple Watch reviews came out as we were recording, and is AI going to terminate us? Is this it? Is this the end? Do we need to call it? Anyway, what do you say?

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Live unboxing and Apple Watch

37:58Steven. I've got to look out my window. My son is playing soccer in the front yard, so now I keep getting motion notifications. I keep thinking. Why don't you just tell your son who's playing soccer in the front yard that if the FedEx guy comes to sign for it? He will. My kids are good about that. But my HomeKit notifications, they're getting thrown off here. All right. Interrupting this broadcast because I did, in fact, get delivery of the iPhone 18 Pro in Glacier Blue right after we recorded the episode. But I'm going to insert this so we can do it all here together. Also got the silicone case and Apple Watch Series 12, which we'll do real quickly.

38:30But let's see if MKBHD was right. Apparently, I got the Pro, not the Pro Max on this review unit. But I'm excited to see this Glacier Blue in person. Oh, wow. Much bluer than I thought. It's actually a very nice blue. Reminds me of the iPhone 13 Sierra Blue. If you remember that, the 13 Pro Series had a really nice blue there. I'm also going to have to be careful. This Pro size fits very nicely in the hand compared to the Pro Max that I've been using for the last year. There's my silver Pro Max compared to the new 18 Pro.

39:02We'll take the little screen protector off. There we go. And yeah, I'm going to be doing some video content on this in the next couple of days. Actually, even later today as you listen to this episode. But let's also do the Apple Watch Series 12 real quick. I believe this is the black aluminum Apple Watch Series 12. I've been rocking the Apple Watch Ultra for a long time now. Let's see what band. Also got the black sport loop band. And this is the 46 millimeter Apple Watch. So let's get to that. And there we go. Oh, I do like that black aluminum actually.

39:33Let me take it out of the little sleeve here. And there it is. Very nice. Very dark. Man, it's so thin compared to the Apple Watch Ultra that I've been sporting. But anyway, I wanted to do that quick unboxing here live on the show so it could be in the podcast. And I'm going to get to finish editing this and making more content. So back to the show. Also, didn't Miro get purchased by Bending Spoons? Yeah. Listen, we talked about Bending Spoons a few weeks ago. There was actually a great article in the Wall Street Journal, which is basically like, Bending Spoons is going to have to raise more money because all the businesses they keep investing in are decreasing in value.

40:06But that's like, okay, I want to be careful. We don't have time for this. Sure. But there is a phrase for something where you put money into something, take all the money out of it, put money into something else, and that thing decreases in value. But you just extract all the value you can to put the money. So all of your revenue growth is coming from acquiring new things. And each of those new things keep going down. But then you just acquire another new thing, which makes it look like your revenue is going up. So more people will give you money. I don't remember what they call it. It's named after some guy named Ponzi.

40:37I feel like there's this thing happening here. Yes. Anyway, go back to our episode about Bending Spoons. It's in the title. And there's a new feature in iOS 27 where you can search within a podcast. And so you could literally go to Apple Podcasts. I didn't know where you were going to go with that. It's like there's a feature in iOS 27 that detects Ponzi schemes. Just ask Siri AI, is this a Ponzi scheme? And it'll let you know. If you go to our show in the Apple Podcasts app and then you tap where it says episodes on the show page, there's now a search primary technology box at the very top.

41:16And you'll be searching within our show. So you can use that little search box at the top. And if you type Bending Spoons into that little search box, look at that. Our episode on Bending Spoons comes right up. And you can go. And because chapters are back for video shows in iOS 27, you can jump right to that Bending Spoons chapter and you're good to go. So there you go. Jason's looking at the feature right now. No, I was actually looking at what Siri had to say about Bending Spoons. But I'm not going to read it because I don't want us to get in trouble.

41:47Okay, very good. Very good. Apple Watch reviews dropped right before we recorded. And so the Series 12 and Ultra 4 reviews are out there. I'll link Chance Miller's great review down in the show notes. The whole new health sensing system, you know, we're going to have to do a lot of testing to see about that, how often it's taking your heart rate. But the big story is also the new Apple Health app redesign, which is not part of these reviews because it's not out yet in iOS 27. That comes out in 27.2 beta. And we're also getting Apple Watches today at some point, maybe while we record.

42:21So I'll save that. But, yeah, we'll link Chance Miller's review there. That's cool. A lot of people are excited about the bronze Apple Watch Series 12 also. Jason just made a face. People just like things that are different. Wow. Wow. Don't you think that there's part of it that people just like things that are different? 100%. Yeah, you're right. I don't. I like things to be the same. I'm very boring. You're still on the Ultra 2, right? I am still rocking the Ultra 2 and it's not going anywhere. I mean, I am too, but I am upgrading this year because it's a little slow.

42:52Siri AI is a little slow on the Ultra 2. See, I'm still on 26.5 on my watch. Really? I mean, only because I wear it to sleep and that's when it wants to update and it won't update if you're wearing it. So I need to just put it on there until it updates. It is annoying to update the watch because it has to be over 50% battery. And on a charger. And on a charger. It's very needy. It's very needy when it comes updated. I will say, though, and this was an unfortunate thing about watchOS 27, the double click of the digital crown. When you double click the digital crown on your watch that's on 26, it brings up the app switcher, correct?

43:27It brings up, sure, yes, the app switcher. The little cards, yep. I don't know if you know this. That's going away for everybody in watchOS 27 because the double click will now be reserved for the live rewind feature. Even if you don't have it. Correct. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. And it's unfortunate because I was doing something on the watch and I've been running the beta for a while and I was trying to double click to get to a recent app. I use any list on my watch when I'm grocery shopping. And so I was like, I want to double click and do something on it. And I was like, why is it not working?

43:58Like it's just going to the new Honeycomb app launcher. And then I read that the double click for the app switcher is now disabled. You don't get a setting and you don't get to keep that functionality even if you have an old Apple watch, which doesn't get live rewind. That's only the new Apple watches. That's so weird that it's just going to be a dead interaction. It is weird. Well, and it's not dead. It just shows you the app launcher, which is the same as a single click. Sure. So that's kind of frustrating. So Apple, you should bring that setting back. That's all I'm saying. If you don't want to do live rewind or you just really use the app switcher, it'd be good if it double click.

44:30If you could do that and you see, oh, you see that little plus icon on my Apple watch right there, Jason? You see that right there? Mm-hmm. That's can do because I have can do watch complications too. Mm-hmm. Okay. I have no complications for Contextly on my watch. Well, you know, that's fine. That's fine. But there is an extension, a browser extension. Okay. Well, there you go. You can just clip stuff and stash it in there. There you go. Stash is another app that I make, by the way. Thanks for playing. I know you didn't do that on purpose. I'll send you a quarter for the trademark. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much. So iOS 27.2, develop a beta one is out.

45:04A lot of people wondering why, where is 27.1? Well, 27.1 is going to be reserved for the iPhone Duo launch. And there's a whole suite of things that has to come with that. Xcode 27.1 with the iPhone Duo simulator. Developers everywhere, including us probably, are waiting for that so we can make sure our app is ready for the iPhone Duo when that comes out next month. So we don't get a 27.1 beta right now and likely won't. I don't think there'll be a beta, a 27.1 beta to like put on your iPhones and other devices.

45:36We're on 27.2. And then once 27.1 comes out for everyone, there'll probably be a public release of that. But 27.2 actually has a number of features and their revamped health app is the biggest. And so all the stuff about the, you know, recovery number and all that stuff is going to Apple Watch is in this redesigned Apple Health app. So that's a big new feature in 27.2. Call context is now going to remind you of your anniversary, not just birthdays and hotel confirmation numbers. So if you have your anniversary in your phone and I think, I think it was Mac rumors or maybe it was not if I'm at the best headline.

46:11It was like iOS 27.2 might save your marriage because it'll tell you about your anniversary. But here's the thing, Jason, you actually have to call your spouse on that day. That's true. Just knowing it's your anniversary and not doing anything about it is actually worse than forgetting it was your anniversary. Exactly. So, you know, maybe. But yeah, so anniversaries will come up in the little birthday card type thing when you're on a call. CarPlay Ultra includes options for wallpaper for the zero people that have CarPlay Ultra. If you have CarPlay Ultra in your car.

46:42If you have an Aston Martin, the one car. Please reach out. Please reach out. One, if you're not a member, why not? And two, please let us know. You can leave us a five-star rating review in Apple Podcasts. Let us know. Do you have CarPlay Ultra? I don't believe it. But there's big CarPlay news, Steven. Oh, what's that? You didn't see this? No. GM is bringing back CarPlay. They submitted. Okay. Yes. They relented is, I guess, a better way of saying it. They relented. Yes. Wow. 2027 models will bring back CarPlay.

47:14Amazing. Well, there you go. There you go. Way to stand on your principles there, Mary Barra. We got to. I'll say that because she lives here in Michigan. Oh, there you go. I'll be listening for that Decoder episode. If they ever agree to go back on. Yeah. Neil, I can grill them about it. Also, profiles in the Apple TV app on iPhone and iPad, which seems like an interesting feature. Like, profiles have been on Apple TV for the last couple updates where you can have every person in your house can have a different profile with different, like, watch history settings,

47:46maybe home screen, too. I don't use profiles a lot, although there's some profiles active. I usually just disable that feature on the main Apple TVs. And to do it on your iPhone, I guess that's implying, look, you give your iPhone and iPad to kids often and you want them to have their own profile. So I thought that was an interesting feature. I mean, if they'd only extrapolate that out and make the profile just for the entire iPad, that'd be amazing. That would be nice. That would be nice. Oh, I guess that's true because if you're, yeah, anyway. Okay. So they do it for education and whatever, but they just, us normies don't get multiple.

48:20We don't get multiple users. The clock app, the AM and PM is finally back to a reasonable size. It's not AM and PM. You ever notice that in iOS 27? Literally never. You never notice like the AM and PM is like the same size as the numbers and it looks huge? In the clock app, you're saying? When you set an alarm, the AM is like massive. That has never bothered me once. I did notice the difference in iOS 27. I just never commented on it. So anyway, it's back to a reasonable size in 27.2. How many alarm options do you have in your phone?

48:52Don't worry about, don't worry about that. We don't have time for that. Okay. We don't have time.

48:57Wait, how many, you're counting them right now? That's a lot of, that's a lot of 26. That's embarrassing. That's way more than me. Although my daughter, she takes a specific pride in having an unreasonable amount of alarms available to her. My thing is, I don't, I don't set that many alarms. It's just, if you say, Hey, dingus, set an alarm for this time. It just adds one to the list. Did you know you can say, Hey, dingus, delete all my alarms and it cleans that up. It actually works. Delete all my alarms. It'll, it'll ask for confirmation because it doesn't want to just do it willy nilly. And then you have a clean slate.

49:29Do you want to delete? But why isn't going to delete them? I'd only deleted 14 of them. There's still a whole bunch left. Well, you got to yell at it again. I meant when I said all the eggs and bacon, I meant all the eggs and bacon. Fix it, stupid robot. Fix it. Yeah. I asked Jason the other day, what do I need to tell Claude to fix this thing? And he was like, just say, fix it. All caps. Fix it, stupid robot. Yeah. Stupid robot was a verbatim. And honestly, uh, it actually works. So, you know, there's that. It was definitely not the step-by-step instructions.

50:00I then followed up to say, no, no, no, no. You actually gave more instructions. That's right. The music app, it's lost some red accents, all the little plus icons, the lettering. It's all black now. And so it looks more uniform. I don't know. I kind of liked the red. That was interesting. And, uh, Siri AI now has an excluded apps section. So you can choose apps to not be brought up or interacting with Siri. And podcasts getting a redesign as well, where there'll be new episodes up top and then continue listening as the second section rather than just the big up next section at the very top

50:34of the podcast app. So I just like to see love going to the podcast app because, you know, it's sometime for years it went without any touch.

AI apocalypse discussion

50:41So there you go. There you go. Okay. We should probably talk about how AI is going to kill us all, Jason. This is, uh, we should, we should talk about it now before it happens and it'll be too late. That's right. There's been some great memes. I will just say, uh, about this, uh, from just random creators on Tik TOK and Instagram. So this started with an essay from Dario Amadei from Anthropic. And he wrote, uh, I'll, we'll link the actual essay. I'll be honest. I didn't read it all. It's pretty long, but why did tech crunch link to one of their own articles?

51:13When it literally said Dario Amadei's essay as the text link, you know what I mean? But I, I wrote about it and I linked to his essay. Thank you. First of all, second of all, uh, we will link Jason's article about that. The blog post is we must pace the frontier. And this is a call and it seems like this is a cabal of all the AI heads saying that we need to pace it, but maybe it also feels like kind of a discreet way of tempering investor

51:47expectations on a larger scale. And so it's like, is this really about dangers? And you actually wrote about this, Jason. So you, I even read every word of it. It's like 3,500 words or whatever. That makes one of us. I read the whole thing. So you should say you should talk about it. I did. I read the whole thing. Thank you. I do typically think that if I'm going to write about something, I should read it first. That's a good thought. Yes. And my take was like, AI companies love to tell us how dangerous their products are this time. Maybe they mean it. I don't know. Also, I think it's really kind of a weird thing to say. Like our thing is so dangerous.

52:18We should not give it to you, but also could you use it? Can we release it? It's like, it's like, it's hard. If you keep saying your product is so dangerous for anyone to use, obviously everyone will want to use it, but also it makes it really hard to take you seriously. Right. It makes it very difficult to tell. And I kind of equated it to the AI boy who cried wolf, but also the wolf is real and you should definitely buy one, but maybe it will eventually try to eat you.

52:49Right. That's sort of the summary of what he's saying. But what he's doing is he's proposing three very specific things that he thinks should happen to pace the frontier. One is he believes that every company should agree to have external evaluators, right? Each frontier company should commit to giving these external evaluators access basically on the same level as an employee. Secondly, he thinks that all of the AI companies should collaborate on their pacing.

53:22And they're basically saying, well, we might need congressional exemption from antitrust, which that's not true. This is not a commercial decision. They could form a standards body. They don't, whatever, that's fine. And then the third one is they want global coordination. So somehow they want China to go along with all of this, which is just simply not going to happen. Right. But it won't happen. So what they're suggesting is double down on the whole. We don't give chips to China and we should make sure that no one can do trade can distill

53:52our models because that's where a lot of these other models, they just distill the ones. So it is really interesting that everyone was suggesting that Astra was ahead now of Fable and Claude. And then suddenly he's like, hang on, hold on. What if everybody just slowed down and didn't beat us? Right. And there's such an interesting point here, which is like these external, there's probably going to be regulation at some point. And what Dario Amadei from Anthropic is essentially saying is what if we got to decide what the

54:26rules were for all of our competitors? No problem. You got to give him credit for making such a bold stance. Of course, that's not how he says it at all. But that is exactly what he's basically saying here. Exactly what he's saying. We must slow down because this thing that we can't seem to stop making is going to kill us. And just to be clear, the specific way, the thing that is. How will it kill us, Jason? Well, let's talk about that in a second. Actually, there's a one. I don't usually listen to the daily episode of The Verge, but the one that they had with

54:57Hayden Field yesterday or the day before where she talked about it was actually a good explainer of this because she's actually talked to a lot of people who are thinking about this. I would recommend listening to that. It's only like 30 minutes long. It's great. I'll put it on the show notes. Great. But the thing that has happened is, for a while, it's like humans build model. Then humans use the model to build the better next model. And at some point, what they see, this reinforcement learning, the AI systems are just not going to need the humans anymore. And they're going to just build better models on their own.

55:28Self-improving models is the word. And once they're able to do that and we're no longer able to understand the way that they think, it becomes very dangerous for us or very difficult for us to control them. Now, how are they going to kill us, Stephen? Right? That's the question. And so I did listen to this Vergecast and it was really great. I will link that. I also just want to link to a very funny thing. So that's going to be in the show notes, the Vergecast, your AI apocalypse questions answered. Yes. And I'm also going to link this very, very funny short with Tony Stadavacci.

56:02Have you ever seen this creator? No. On different things. He is hilarious all the time. But he has this video of like how AI CEOs sound then versus now. And in the first part of the video, he's like, we want AI everywhere. Put it in the schools. Put it in the kids. Like we want AI everywhere. And now they're like, AI is going to kill us tomorrow. It's going to happen very soon. He's like, how soon? Like right now, immediately, we're going to die. Like, you know, very funny. I used to watch that. I don't know. Unless, listen, did you see the running robot Olympics the other day?

56:34Yeah, where they run too fast and they can't stop and they run. Listen, Steven, aside from the one time when you and I were almost murdered by a AI powered lawn robot on the floor of CES, I have never been worried about this because it does seem like if we get to this point, we could just stop making the robots. Like we do have that ability. And I don't think we'll get to a place. So I'll also include a YouTube link to these running robots that cannot stop running. So they have to run into this large padded wall.

57:04Many of them just break apart. It'll never not be funny. Just to be honest. It'll never not be funny.

57:13Yeah. So unless somehow the robots could make themselves in factories and put, yeah. Okay. But hold on here. This is the flaw in this. It's a theoretical thing to spend a lot of time thinking about because you get paid a lot of money to just think about this kind of stuff. I get it. Not us. We don't get paid a lot. We don't get paid a lot of money. We're talking about AI people in San Francisco. And we typically talk about things before we think about them. That's why. That is the definition of a podcast. Let's be honest.

57:43I think about a lot of things. Okay. Great. I have thought about this though. But think like, okay, here's the thing. Building a robot requires primitives. It requires materials. How is a digital being going to get those materials? Also being. It's a digital thing. Yeah. I know. Lines of code, whatever you want to call it. Yeah. You can't. It still can't like, you know, act of God, summon things out of nothing. Like it still requires the materials. The biohazard. People are thinking, well, what about a bioweapon? It could engineer a bioweapon. You still have to have humans who build a factory to manufacture the bioweapons, which

58:17is a thing that we would notice on satellites. Like we would notice if it starts happening. The nanobots in Silo, they knew they were coming. I feel like it would be very strange if some low level guy working at the robot factory goes to his boss and be like, hey, where's the 200 robots that we built last month? Right. Do we, they seem to be gone. Yeah. And they're just in the middle of Wyoming building a factory to then build more of themselves. Like I don't. I think we would notice. I think we would notice. I hope we would notice. I think we would notice.

58:48Facebook knows when you're buying a belt. Surely Facebook would know if the robots were building, you know, buying aluminum by the billions of tons to build more robots. Jason, I got it. This is why Apple made Siri recap is because we need to, the robots will be too dumb to not wear the Apple watches. They think they have a heart rate because they think they're conscious. So they're trying to get their heart rate by the Apple watch. But the Siri recaps are going to capture what they're saying to themselves with their digital mouths or whatever. No. Here's the thing though. Like there's real people in my life that are like, yeah, AI is the end.

59:19This is the end. And I think there are genuine things that will be affected by the rise of AI. Certain jobs will probably go away. Though like, and I say certain jobs, like you think of copywriters. If you were an entry-level copywriter and also not great at your job, you will probably not have that job. Because let's be clear. If you are an entry-level copywriter and you're not great at your job, perhaps you shouldn't

59:52have your job anyway. Right. And maybe do you do something else, whatever. But like though, like there will be jobs, positions that disappear. And there's probably a lot of companies who wrongly will think that AI can just do some of these jobs just as well and stop hiring for those positions. Now, like video game companies like have already hit this and also all the big companies like Microsoft and like laying people off because AI is placing work. So like that is real. And so that as a risk and as something that is happening, totally understand.

1:00:25But people very quickly make the leap from some jobs may go away to we, like the T-1000 in Terminator. And that is, I think, a leap too far. And I would just encourage people, try to read through the hype and the doom of even like what Dari Amadei's essay is saying. Like these guys are playing some games here in addition to like making real things. Like Anthropic is trying to go public this year. And so they need to temper investor expectations.

1:00:58They need to set up a world where they will have a good IPO and then succeed in the stock market. And if people think that Astra from OpenAI is a better model than Fable 5.1 and that Anthropic can't develop these models as fast as they have been and improve quickly, it makes sense that they would try to temper and say, we should slow down. Also that everyone else should slow down. And everyone should slow down. Because maybe the truth is that they have to slow down because they can't have the level

1:01:29of speed of innovation that they've had up to this point. Sure. And so maybe that is true. And also try to try to extrapolate just a little bit like what we're not going to have Terminator anytime soon. I feel pretty safe saying that. Like, yes, Boston Dynamics has robots that can like do flips and somersaults and that dog robot that can do crazy things like, yes, we have that. And yes, maybe there are military applications to some of these robots plus AI. But there still has to be a lot of human element in the whole process for any of that stuff

1:02:01to be created, to work, to continue working. I don't think we're going to have AI armies anytime soon. No. And I think, I think that it isn't, I think it's just important for us to like do exactly what you just said. And I do feel like this is a step where people who are so AI pilled, they can't get their mind out of that to think this through. Just think this through. Think about all of the things that would have to happen in the physical world in human beings, widely known as being extremely resilient because we're still here after the bubonic

1:02:35plague, after all of these things that have, you know, biological threats have existed for a very long time. And yet humanity continues on. And I don't know, I have a hard time thinking like the AI is going to be the thing that ends the world because I have read that letter that John wrote on the island of Patmos. Off the coast of Turkey, where he describes the end of the world. And I don't mean to be like naive, but like when he opened the seven, when, when the lamb opened the seven seals, none of them were like army of robots riding on black horses.

1:03:05Sure. Just were given the power to destroy the earth. Like I'm not, again, I'm, I'm partially joking, but it's like, just think it through about all the things that would have to happen in order for humanity to be extinguished. And there's a huge leap in just the models becoming better on their own. The interaction with the physical world is the one thing they're not. Now they, theoretically, they could shut down the power grid, but you know who would really have a hard time if you shut down the power grid? Like all the computers, robots and computers, like it feels like there's a self, we have

1:03:39a, we have a, we have a, we have the, what do they call it? They have the Trump card. It's like the shutoff valve. We got the, yeah, we have the lever. In case of emergency, push button. Right. And I think, and again, I don't want to like, there's a lot of consternation about job stuff. And even I wonder, like you have a child in college now, I, my oldest is a senior in high school. And I do have that question of like, man, what career do you start on the path today, knowing how good AI is now versus what is it going to be 10 to 20 years from now?

1:04:11And like, that's a real question and something that like, we're probably wrestling with it. Our kids are probably wrestling with it. And there is a bit of a, like, oh man, like what do you choose that won't be replaced or like that won't be hyper competitive because of these tools. So I get that consternation, but I also like Jason and I use these tools. Like we pay for Claude Max, like we use the most tools of these available. And yes, they have models that are unreleased. I can do cybersecurity things that feel kind of dangerous and scary, but also like in the

1:04:44end, sometimes you can just see behind the curtain that these things can be pretty dumb just in very basic practical ways. And it's like, you know, maybe you can solve a millennium math problem and I can't, but I think I could like, it's not, it's still not at a place where I'm scared of it. Right. They can't tie their shoes yet. And apparently when they start running at you, they can't stop. So, you know, just move. And if, if they have to chase you, well, one, they can't, they can't ever stop running to

1:05:15catch you. And two, if they stop, then they'd probably just fall and break apart. So, you know what I mean? I think you're, I think you're good. So I really, I want to encourage everybody. Like, I don't think you have to be scared. I don't think we're at a place now where even with all this AI doomsdayism, like, I don't think you have to be scared. I understand concern, practicality of career, but I don't think this is a time for fear yet. But, and we'll let you know, we'll let you know if we're afraid. I don't think, but I don't think it's anytime soon. Does that feel, does that feel right? I agree.

1:05:46I don't think we should be naive about it. I just also think that, you know, you and I have a little more freedom to be objective about this because we're not trying to raise a trillion dollars. Thank you. Although, like, I don't know how many members that would be, but we, we can take them all. We'll take them all. We'll take them all. Listen, we will, we will buy all the AI stuff if we get one trillion. Well, there's not even that many people that exist. No, we need you. We need some of you to sign up twice. We need some of you to sign up a thousand times. A thousand times. Exactly. It's, that is a big number.

1:06:17And we promise that we will make it worth your while. I don't know how. I don't know. But we will make it worth your while. That's it. That's it. You got it. All right. We'll read Jason's piece. Listen to the Verge cast and it, don't be scared. Don't be scared yet. We'll let you know when you should be scared.

Meta subscription and servers

1:06:31We'll try. What you should really be scared of is that Meta relaunched a new subscription and it's ridiculous. Okay. Meta has a new one subscription plan and it is geared at creators and businesses and brands. It starts at $8 a month and you get silly features like an Instagram story can be up for 48 hours and you get a bold follow button. But I just need to point out because we talked about this months ago. It was rumored for a long time, but now it's actually out there. There is a plan that seems very tempting as a creator, which is their $50 advanced plan.

1:07:07And the feature that was tempting, at least when it was rumored, was that you can link. You can put a link to something in posts and reels. So you can, if you talk about a product for Amazon, if I talk about my app in a reel, I can put a tappable link right there on the reel. And then that goes to wherever I want. $50 a month for that feature. Okay. Jason, do you know how many links per month you get if you pay $50 a month? I mean, I know they cost $12.50 a piece.

1:07:40You get four links a month. Right. Four links. Do you know how much content Instagram wants you to post to have any audience there? They want you posting every day. And how many of those, like, referrals would you have to get to make that link worth $12.50? And, like, I would, listen, I considered it because I was like, I talk about products. I talk about apps that I might want to link to. I talk about my YouTube videos. I'm like, maybe I link all this stuff. And when I saw this little screen, I took a screenshot because I just couldn't believe it.

1:08:14This is, I'm reading from Meta's subscription information here. Drive people directly to your website, shop, or latest offer by adding clickable links right in your reels. Get eight per month on Facebook. You get a real deal there. Or four per month on Instagram. Well, and here's what this tells you. There's so much that this tells you. Even that post right there. One tells you that nobody uses Facebook because they will give you double the amount. Exactly. And they want you to be posting more things on Facebook. Yes. So they're making the value higher there because no one cares.

1:08:47Yeah. But this, I actually, maybe I'll write about this. I think it's true. Because what it's telling you is there's no reasonable reason that they don't allow links, except for they never figured out how to make it more valuable to them because they want to keep people on the platform, right? Because you've been able to do this in stories. But if you look, if you post a piece of content as a reel, and then you share it as a story, the reel might have 50X the engagement than the story.

1:09:19Sure. Right? That's what Meta wants. So they don't really care if you have links in stories because one, they have that stupid browser that they put up anyway in between. So they keep you there anyway. But this actually just reveals so much about how Meta views the people that create content on its platform. And they just found another way to stick themselves between the creators and their audience. And if you're going to monetize your audience, we're going to get a cut. And this feels like the worst way, I don't know, like a $50 a month subscription.

1:09:53First of all, the, all the, as Neelai says, the army of teenagers that are posting stuff for free, they don't have the funds to pay $50 a month for a thing. You know, the ones that are just starting out and trying to grow their audience. So like, I guess for a business, you know, if you are whatever, a coffee place and you want to be able to link people to your website, but even that, like, it's not, I don't see it. I don't see it. For a month though? Yeah. For a month. That's the thing. It's like four, if you post four reels a month, it's not going to reach anybody.

1:10:27Yeah. No one's going to see them. Because the algorithms just want a volume of content, like not even quality, especially Instagram and Facebook. They just want a volume of content. And so it's not, I don't see that as being beneficial. So anyway, that, I dodged a bullet there. I don't have to pay $50 a month for meta because I, I don't care about four links a month. So, but it also, and I do think the Facebook part is interesting. Like it's very clear that is not an audience that is very engaged, nor that, that meta sees as like growing or healthy, like have double the links.

1:11:01Cause we don't care. Because we, because one, the audience is declining and, and we, there's not much for us to capture there. So we'll take your 50 bucks and maybe you'll post more stuff on Facebook. Exactly. Exactly. Our last thing before personal tech, Apple may get back into the server game. And I am very excited about this. If you didn't know, Apple used to make a server called the X serve. It was retired back in 2011. I used one of these Jason. This was actually at a place that I worked and I set up that X serve and I loved that

1:11:31thing. It was so solid. I used it for almost 10 years after 2011. Like it was at least a 15 year old device. It was by the end, super heavy, super cumbersome, but it was amazing. And for the time, it was really powerful. And so now the information has a scoop that they might incorporating NVIDIA's tech, get back into the server game by like 2029. So we're a few years away, but I think that's very interesting and I'm all for it. Get back into the server game. Really?

1:12:02Actually, I don't know. I'll be honest. I don't know that I care about this because AWS is so inexpensive now. And also like, there's a reason you can't buy Mac minis right now. People are just making their own little servers. Well, and that's the thing. I guess if they can optimize a server for all the kind of stuff that people are using Mac minis for, but make it way more powerful, rack mounted, that kind of stuff. It would be hilarious if Apple has a server line, but not a Mac pro line. I think John Syracuse would just implode.

1:12:32What if they just make the server and call it the Mac pro? So, mind blown, mind blown. I think John Syracuse might buy a server for his house if he does that. Well, he just bought a Mac studio. I know. He just bought a Mac studio. He had to give in because he wouldn't get Mac OS 27. He bought a, he bought a like a, what did he call it? Like his, this is my get by computer or something, something to get by with. $5,000 get by computer. But did you know, did you know, Jason, Mac OS 28 has already been announced by Apple.

1:13:03Did you know this? If you go to the Apple icon on your Mac, after you update to Mac OS 27 and you go to system settings, okay. And then you go to general and then you go to about scroll down and you'll see a little section called Mac OS, so Mac OS golden gate. And underneath that, it says Intel based apps support ending for Intel based apps in Mac OS 28.

1:13:34Yeah. They didn't announce anything there, Stephen. 28 is the number that comes up for 27. I know. I know. I know. And they're going to also though, did you know that carrot weathers app on the Mac is a fricking Intel based app? Update your app, man. Come on. I tried to open it the other day and it's like, yeah, you won't be able to open this with Mac OS 28. So when you hit that detail section, it will tell you what apps have not been updated. And what this means is if you still have apps running from Intel architecture, it uses Rosetta, which is this Apple's translation layer that lets you run Intel apps on modern Macs, Apple

1:14:06Silicon. Do you have any apps there that are mission critical for you that are going to lose support? Mission critical? No. Apparently there's a version of creative cloud. That's still an Intel app because of course, thanks. And then there's a screen connect client, which I think must be part of screens five, maybe and then TurboTax, which I don't know why I have an actual copy of TurboTax on my computer. I do. And then carrot weather. And carrot weather. I, the product portal. Oh yeah. For our isotope that's on there too.

1:14:36For isotope, which isotope was recently acquired by somebody. So it was native instruments in that, which is, yeah, but I don't actually think that this is the one that I have to use. Well, it's not the app RX 10 or whatever that I use, but I'm curious, like when I get a new Mac and I have to install it, it's always, you always have to go through that product portal and I'm hoping that they update it, even though they were acquired. Boris FX acquires isotope. I don't know Boris FX is, but Boris update the product portal in case I ever need to

1:15:11reinstall this on a new Mac. I mean, they're going to have to. And the reason that the reason that these apps didn't update is because they just didn't have to. But my guess is the overlap of people who are going to care about Mac OS 28 and the number it's like the audience of people using isotope or, you know, whatever is probably pretty high. Don't you think? I would think so. Like meaning I'm saying everyone using RX 11 is going to upgrade to Mac OS 28. Well, right. And that's, that's the thing, but I think I'm on RX 10. So that's why I'm like, if I'm gonna have to update, I guess.

1:15:43We'll just do it now because RX 11 is out. So just do it now. Yeah, that's worth it. All right.

Personal tech and automated workflows

1:15:47Personal tech. You had mentioned this in the pre-show talking about using AI, but not just vibe coding. And there was also an announcement this week that Anthropic is combining Claude chat and Claude co-work into one thing, which makes sense because that little toggle, I'm like, what is even the difference here? And they keep making it harder to figure out because I use the app all day long and there's still times when I'm like, where am I? And it's also like just flipping back and forth between, oh, that was the other thing the other I was updating CanDo and I was doing everything in Claude code and I asked Claude code for

1:16:21release notes and then I'll massage or whatever. And I post those and I was away from my computer, but I had just had Claude archive and upload all the builds. So I just needed the release notes because I wanted to put it on my, I was on my iPad. I wanted to do the test flight thing. I didn't feel like remoting into my Mac studio at home. So I just asked Claude the app. Hey, can you give me those release notes from version 1.4.8 for CanDo? And it was like, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm like, Claude, it's all there. You have all my conversations.

1:16:52And they even talked about how like a lot of sessions just are in Claude cloud now rather than like on device, especially for co-work stuff. Well, and your Claude, your Claude chat and your Claude code stuff work like completely different things. They are different. If you ask Claude chat, that's not what it's called. But if you ask Claude about something that you use Claude code for, yeah, it doesn't have a clue what you're talking about. It doesn't. But I just think it's dumb because I'm like, it's all the same anthropic account. Like all the data is going up and up. But anyway, anyway. So they combined the chat and co-works.

1:17:24That'll be one. But I do use Claude in a lot of shortcuts. I use the API for just things like summarizing, for identifying things. But just the other day, Jason, I used Claude design, which is, I went to the web interface. I think that's how you do it. Yep. That's the only option. You got to do it. And Claude design, you can still choose the model. And as you do, I just cranked that thing on Fable 5.1 because why not? Fable's not good at that. Opus is better at that. Is it better? Well, I was asking it for updated screenshots because I wanted better screenshot images

1:17:58for the app store because I have Siri AI and CanDo now. And the interface has changed since I uploaded screenshots. And so I went to Claude design. I gave it the old screenshots. It knew about my app. I also told it about my app. But it made some great screenshots, Jason. It did some weird things. I had to follow up maybe four or five prompts to adjust it. But then they actually came out pretty good. And Claude design, I'm going to have to get back in there. I will also, I see a lot of people on social media, like creators, they'll post like the

1:18:29multi-image carousels on Instagram and threads. And there's like 10 different images with a bunch of text on it. And I'm like, okay, now that I've been in Claude design and I've seen those templates, I recognize them all. I'm like, oh, that's Claude. That's Claude. Claude is just making these. I'm like, that's fine. But I see it there. And I still use Claude to make website stuff. Like it gives me HTML and CSS. I put it in Squarespace and it makes the pages I want. And I like doing that. But how have you been using it? Using Claude design? Or anything.

1:19:00You know, what you had in mind at the beginning. Yeah. I mean, so, okay.

1:19:05I have been, I have set up a bunch of things. And I now. You built a robot army. I do have my own non-physical robot army. Okay. Very good. Okay. Because I have this MacBook Pro 16 inch with 128 gigs of memory and a four terabyte hard drive. It's the M5 Max with the 40 core GPU. And I'm like, what can we do? That's nice. Now, the one thing we can't do is carry it around because it weighs more than my 12 year old. So I just leave it on my desk as a, I'm doing the Marco Armin desktop laptop thing.

1:19:35This is the most desktop laptop you can get. It's also the most powerful Mac I've ever used by far. Like, sure. Sure. Seriously. And so, but by, because I'm leaving it here, I'm able to do a bunch of stuff. And some of this is Mac power users fall, but like I'm using the drop zone thing. And as soon as I put a, I can drag a folder on my MacBook air to that. I mean, I can drive a file to that. It'll put it in a folder on, in Dropbox on my MacBook pro. And then I have Claude has created a situation.

1:20:09So I'm using the whisper transcription app. So I have one folder for audio. I can drop stuff into there and it whisper transcription will watch a folder and add it to the queue. If you add a file to it, it'll just do it. So it'll transcribe it. And it then puts the mark resulting markdown file in a separate folder in that same, I just have a folder in Dropbox now called agent. And it has an audio transcripts, research, whatever, whatever. And then what happens is I'm actually using LM studios bionic. So this is on device stuff.

1:20:40It's running Quinn three. And I have a script that watches the, the, the folder that has the markdown files in it. And then it creates a summary and an analysis. So I did this with your 150 features or whatever. Oh yeah. Yeah. I did it. I actually did it with that. And so I ran the whole thing and literally from the time I, uh, cause drop zone has a, it's like super fast. It'll just download that. So if this episode disappears from YouTube, it's because Jason said those exact words, just so everybody knows.

1:21:11I'm sorry about that. You can, you can bleep it all out. I don't see what happens. We'll see what happens. But it put the audio file into a folder in my Dropbox. And then I have an audio file of that. Then it put a transcript into the, the transcript folder. And then the local LLM is watching that. And it created a, uh, a different markdown file for me. And it says things like, uh, uh, the creator's framing. This is a massive feature dense release that is not centered on just the new AI assistant. AI gets its own dedicated video. So it like knew that you were saying that you're going to make another video for Siri AI.

1:21:44And then it lists key changes by area, lock screen, uh, control center messages. Like it made me this huge markdown file of everything you talked about. And that was all done using an AI local AI model on that MacBook pro. And, and all I had to do and okay. And then the best part is Steven, sorry, I told you this is a Rube Goldberg machine. It's exciting. I can point contextly at a folder of markdown files and it just watches them.

1:22:14And it just shows up in contextly, by the way, Ulysses can do this. Bear can do this too. I think, I don't know if bear will watch it for you, but anyway. Um, so now in contextly, I just have a folder called research. And every time this whole thing runs a new contextly note just appears with everything. That's pretty sweet. Steven, all from just like dragging a thing to a place. We won't, I won't say the words anymore, but like this whole thing just runs in the background. And from the time that I did the drag to the time it showed up in contextly, it was maybe

1:22:48two minutes. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's pretty good. It was pretty amazing. So the, I'm saying again, the transcription, what is actually doing the transcribing? The app called whisper transcription. There is an app. I don't like transcription as we don't have to get into it. It's just a user interface thing. They use the same models. It's fine. Yeah. They use the same, but, but the whisper transcription app, which is available in the Mac app store. I really like it. I just used like the base 400 megabyte, whatever one. I also use the turbo large V three turbo sometimes when I'm doing stuff, but I didn't want the automated thing to use that right away because I wanted to see how long this would take on

1:23:19them. I might as well just use the large one because it'll just play through it. So that's, what's doing it. It's watching the folder. You can then tell it, put the transcript in this other folder. And then the, the local OM is watching that folder for the transcripts. Oh, in Hazel, I had Hazel. Uh, what did I even have Hazel do? Oh, it'll automatically, if I, um, have a MP3 in my downloads folder, put it into that folder for me. Right. Exactly. Which is kind of cool. It is very cool.

1:23:50Listen, Hazel, I'll just say, I don't know if we mentioned on this, it's a, we mentioned on Mac power users, incredible app. I have set it up. I have so many rules in Hazel because while my iPhone storage hygiene might not be great, I like keeping my, my Mac storage hygiene on point. And because I render so many videos, I want to save them to my NAS, but I don't want them on my sitting on my Mac studio. And so I have Hazel rules for when a video hits a folder, which means it's a,

1:24:25it's in still in the middle of encoding from compressor. So if it started to try to move the file right away, it would break because the bits are not like the file is not complete yet. So when a file, when a video hits one of my render folders, Hazel waits 45 minutes because that's probably the longest the video will take to render. And so it waits. And once it's done waiting, it copies that video file to my NAS automatically. Yep. And then I have rules that will delete videos older than two weeks. And I usually don't go back that much.

1:24:57I don't need them on my Mac studio. So my video render file folders get cleaned up. And I do that with all my audio folders too. So for primary tech daily, for this show, I have rules that after two weeks, if a file is older than two weeks, just move it to trash. And so I don't have to go in manually clean up all these raw audio recordings that I publish so many things same day. It doesn't matter, you know what I mean? Like, I don't need these recordings around. And so they just go away automatically. And I also use Hazel to move video files to Plex through certain processes that I can't

1:25:29talk about because of YouTube. So, you know, it's amazing. Hazel's great. I'm also, I'm slightly delaying because I'm still hoping my FedEx truck arrives. And so I think we should just take a moment. And Austin Mann posted his review as we're recording. He posted it as we're recording. It's like he listens to the show live, even though that's not a thing you can actually do. And so we will link Austin Mann's review of the iPhone 18 Pro. And let's just, let's just look at some of these pictures that he took because, you

1:26:01know, Austin Mann, he went through the Rockies, I guess. How does he do this, Jason? How does he get photos like this? It's amazing. I mean, I know he's shooting raw. He's shooting pro raw. He's editing in Lightroom. I mean, look at that Milky Way picture. Oh my goodness. Anyway, if you're listening, I will create a chapter and put a photo as the chapter I'll work, but you should also just go to his review. And yeah. And you should listen to the episode where we interviewed him about how he does all this. He has been on the show. I'm going to try to get him on the show again to talk about it because, listen, if you want

1:26:36to know about the camera, you go to Austin Mann, you go to Tyler Stallman, and then you listen to the show for Jason A. 10 stick after he plays it. That's what you got to do. I don't think it's going to happen, Jason. All right. We didn't get the 18 Pro. If it happens while we're recording the bonus episode, I'll insert it into the full episode. But if you want to listen to the unedited show, we had a great pre-show today, and we're going to go record a bonus episode. Well, I guess we talked about your Rube Goldberg machine. So I got another topic for the bonus episode. I want to talk about zigging with another zag. And so we'll talk about that in the bonus episode.

1:27:07But leave us a five-star rating review on Apple Podcasts. Let us know. Do you have your podcast episode set to download, or do you stream everything like Jason? Like an animal? We'll get into that. You hadn't said that before. That influences, I think, people's decisions. Sorry. I'm going to take one moment to defend myself, which is simply to say it's entirely unnecessary under most circumstances to have things automatically download podcasts. Just download them when you're going to leave the house and want to listen to them. I disagree. But anyway, you should leave us a five-star rating review. Let us know. And if you want to support the show, you can do it for $2.50 a month or $25 a year.

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