Google Put AI in Everything and Everywhere, iOS 27 Siri Features, WWDC Invites

0:00When we look back at this time, I think we will realize that we were standing in the foothills of the singularity. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. WWDC media invites went out, plus they announced some iOS 27 accessibility features from Apple Vision Pro to some more Apple Intelligence. We're going to get into that, plus Google I.O. was this week with a keynote. All the AI things. Google has a ton of products. We're going to break it all down in the show. Flex pricing changes. Gen Z still hates AI and is booing it at commencements. Elon lost his case and a ton more.

0:30This episode is brought to you by Shopify, Copilot Money, NordLayer, and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles, and joined by Jason Aten. How's it going, Jason? It's pretty good. It's pretty good, Stephen. It's pretty good. Pretty good. How's your app doing? How's your app in the... It's doing really well, Stephen. In fact, before we get started, I would like to give a shout out to you. Oh. You left me one of my first reviews. Thank you very much. You're welcome. So, reading reviews about your app that you have made is a very surreal thing. Thankfully, it's like a 4.8 star app right now.

1:02That's good. So, it's technically doing about as good as our podcast, which is great. A lot fewer reviews, but it's interesting how people use reviews to give you feedback suggestions. Well, there's that, and we talked in the pre-show, which if you want to listen to the pre-show and get an ad-free version, you have the link down in the show notes you can listen to it all. But someone left a review on my Movies on the Side podcast saying it's a fake show because we only have 50 reviews after eight years. And I'm like, that's not my fault. Right. Anyway. But I just think it was interesting. Like, there are also people who will leave you a review that are like, this seems like an interesting app.

1:35I would use it if blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, that's not a review. Thanks for your service, I guess. You just said you didn't actually use it. What are you doing? I know. That's the thing. It's been great. It's been super surprising. Lots of people have downloaded it, and I really appreciate that. That's very cool. Very cool. All right. We've got a ton of stuff. Google I.O. is going to be a translation interpretation, a huge segment here because we've got to try and talk about all the things they announced. One, the movie quote, today's quote was actually not a movie quote. You know what I quoted. Yeah. I mean, that was Demis Asabas at the very end talking about something singularity.

2:09And I was like thinking, it definitely sounds like something the mad scientist says at the end of like a movie, right? Like Dr. Frankenstein. By the way, when you think of Frankenstein, do you think of the doctor or do you think of the creature? You think of the creature. But that's not. That's not Frankenstein. Frankenstein is the name of the doctor. That's correct. It's crazy. It's just this weird thing. Anyway, go on. Move on. Anyway, we're going to get into that. But yes, that was a full on quote from Google I.O., which just blew my mind. They also had a couple other quotes we're going to be talking about. Bold claims. We'll say bold claims from Google.

2:40Last week, I forgot to ask about the movie quote. I said, they made us too smart, too quick, and too many. It is a movie I've quoted before. And I did not know it, but I do know it now because I had actually looked it up after the fact when you didn't ask me. So it's from AI, which I don't think is a movie. I don't think I saw that movie. It's Haley Jo Osment, Jude Law. Yeah, AI, literally. Not the future. Well, maybe we're headed towards the future. Who knows? But anyway, I have some exciting news about pins. Got to talk about. We have a couple five-star review shout-outs. That's O'Shaughnessy from the USA.

3:11iPhone, non-dominant left-hand front pocket so he can write with his right. Thank you. There you go. He is your method. This is a great show. Thank you for that. Gunt Cramps from the USA. His review said, I seen a bus once. I don't know what that means, but he left us a five-star, so thanks for that. And Jerem is from Mexico, and he did correct me. Listen, I have my other show now, Top 5 Tech, which I do every Friday, and I highlighted a video from Cleo Abram, and for some reason, my brain kept saying Chloe, and I literally

3:42had to do like five takes when I recorded that five-minute show last week because I kept saying Chloe. I'm sorry. It's not Chloe. It is Cleo Abram. Yeah. It's also not GIF. It's GIF, but move on. Okay. There, right there. So, a friend of the show, Glenn texted me, and he said, what does GIF stand for? Do you know? Yeah. It's the graphics image format. Uh-huh. And how do you say the G in graphics? I don't ... I know where you're going, but the canonical evidence here is that the person

4:12who created the format says it's GIF.

4:16Yeah, no. Listen, when you create something ... How do you say the word ... How do you say the animal with a really tall neck? We did this. I literally just said that last week. Yeah. Yeah, giraffe. Yeah, there you go. How do you say the word of the present that you give someone at Christmas? What is that? A GIFT.

4:29Thank you. All right. Thank you. Okay. A couple of app shout-outs. We have some wonderful listeners of the show that have some apps, and we like to shout them out here at the top of the show. So, real quick, this first one is a mood tracker. This is from Marvin, sending me an email. It's called Inner Pulse. One-time purchase. My wife actually uses apps like this to kind of like track different moods and stuff, and there's lots of apps for this, but it looks great, really nicely designed, nice little graphs and stuff. So, check out Mood Tracker. We'll link that down in the show notes. And then Heshan sent me this, Symphony for Apple Music. This is like a companion.

5:01So, if you have Apple Music, you can connect it to this app. You can browse your library in different ways. You can, like, get CoverFlow back, if you remember CoverFlow back in, like, iPod Touch era, Last.fm integration. So, that's a pretty cool app. Check that out. And also Smart Budget, which is a wallet app that also has some shortcuts actions that I'm going to be playing around with pretty soon. And so, yeah, if you're always looking for a budgeting app, Smart Budget. Apps in the links in the show notes. Those are fun. And I, yesterday, continued my boondoggle of sending pins around the world, Jason.

5:34I still have a whole bed. Look at all these pins I got here. Look at these pins. I got all these pins. And there's Medieval Knight Riding the Polar Bear. And so, I asked last week, we have a new quest. Get the Medieval Knight Riding the Polar Bear to every continent. Well, I'm pleased to announce we have five out of seven continents fully secured. We have people, this is not one of the seven, but we have Australia. Hans and I sent to Australia. Ian from Australia. Those are going. We have Central America. Jorge from Panama. We have several, and yes, you do need to say it like that.

6:05Jason asked me before, so you do.

6:08And I'm sending some to China. We have a listener visiting Japan next month. And so, send them a pin, and they're going to be taking pictures of it around Japan. And we had two, two listeners in South Africa that emailed me the day the episode dropped last week. Chippo from South Africa and Andre from South Africa. And, yeah, pins are heading that way, too. And so, we now just have two more continents to go. South America and, of course, Antarctica. And so, if you're in South America and you listen to the show, email me. It's right in the show notes.

6:38And let me know where you are. I'll get one to you. And then, if you have, like, a grandma going to Antarctica on a cruise or something, or if you know someone, you know, doing the Drake Passage and is going to be heading down there. Or you have, you know, a scientist, family or friend that works down there or something, I want the polar bear. I mean, in Antarctica, it would be perfect, although there's no polar bears there because nothing lives there. But you know what I mean. Like, in Antarctica, I feel like that would be perfect. So, I'm excited. Let's do it. We have listeners all over the world, Jason.

7:08My children, my sons and I had a really interesting conversation. It wasn't that interesting. But yesterday about Antarctica because they were wanting to know, like, is it a country? I said, well, it's a continent. And they're like, well, but is it also a country? I said, well, they don't have a government. And they said, well, like, who's in charge? I'm like, that's a really good question. And I don't know who it is. But I don't think anyone lives there, so it doesn't actually matter. Well, and I'm a... We all just agree not to fight over it. Right? The scientists are there. We've all agreed we're going to leave the penguins alone because, honestly, my boys think the penguins would win if you tried to take over because they are used to the cold and

7:41we are not. I thought you were going to say because they've seen the penguins movie with the Madagascar penguins. No, they just think the penguins are much more well-equipped to survive whatever might happen. That is true. Listen, I'm always fascinated by Antarctica. The Chloe Abram video I linked in Top 5 Tech last week. Cleo. See, I did it again. Oh, my. Sorry. Cleo Abram. Her video is amazing because they've actually studied the lakes under the ice in Antarctica. And I don't want to spoil it, but her video is incredible. It's basically like National Geographic-level documentary.

8:13And so you should check that out. But I've also listened to the Omnibus podcast where they talk about the huge machined bulldozer-type treaded vehicle that they tried to bring to Antarctica, like in the 60s or whatever. And it was a whole boondoggle as well. I'm always fascinated by it. So let us know. If you or someone you know is going to Antarctica, I will send you like 10 pins just to like, well, don't leave it there. Hand them out to the penguins. That's it. Don't make sure they don't stab themselves. But yeah, hand them out to the penguins.

8:44We'd love to do that. All right. Media invites for DubDub has gone out. And, you know, we already knew the dates of DubDub, but this is when Apple actually makes official. The keynote is going to be on Monday, June 8th with the platform State of the Union after that. And the media invites went out. I'm happy to report that I got an invite and also sad to report Jason did not. I'm sorry, Jason. Yeah. Somebody asked if I was going to go as a journalist or an app developer, and I'm, at this point, just not going to go. Well, because the app developer, you had to have applied a long time ago.

9:15You did. The app developer. And that's a lottery. You're not guaranteed, even if you're a developer. I know lots of people. So unfortunately, it will just be one of us again at DubDub. I'm still holding out. I'll cross my fingers next year. One day. We need to record in person in their podcast suite. I did email them, and I was like, do you know who I am? And they're like, Google me. They're like, no, I don't have a clue who you are. Leave us alone. Google me. So I will be there in person. I did get an invite, and I'll be recording from the podcast studio, and Jason will be

9:46rolling again, so I'll be reporting all week. The tagline for DubDub is coming bright up, and everyone is trying to read the tea leaves that this little animation in the Swift logo is, maybe that's the new Siri animation. We'll see. We're all going to know in like two weeks, and it'll all be. I just, I also think it's interesting, we talk about this a little bit in the next Mac Power users, but Apple just, you know, they're just using AI. And, you know, for a long time, Apple tried really, really hard to make machine learning the term, that everything was machine learning, and all the stuff that Siri did was machine

10:20learning. And then they were like, screw it. We're just, everything's AI. Well, but for them, AI means Apple intelligence. Well, yeah, but like, they just use the acronym, the two letters AI now, and I think they just let people interpret it how they want. You know what I mean? Sure, but I bet you that if you ask them, it means Apple intelligence. You know what I'm going to ask them when I'm there, Jason? I'm going to say, hey, what does AI mean in this newsroom article? What does it stand for? They're going to be like, what are you talking about? I'm just curious. Now, iOS 27, actually, there's some official features for accessibility that have come

10:51out or announced, and we want to get into that because it does, there are some clues there, I think, to what we'll see at DubDub, but we have to talk about Google I.O. Google I.O. is the huge event. As we record, it happened yesterday, and Google announced 1,000 things, 1,000 things. Many of them do things like the other things, and there's just a lot of things. And so, the quote from the top of the episode is literally from the keynote. It closed the keynote, and they said, when we look back at this time, I think we will

11:22realize that we were standing in the foothills of the singularity. That statement is wild. I don't know, like, the singularity in, like, astrophysics terms is like, what's in the middle of a black hole and maybe the beginning of the universe? I don't know, but Google is using it to refer to AGI, I believe, Artificial General Intelligence. Yeah, ish. And they said that. They said that, too. Yeah. AGI. They're the only ones that are still saying it.

11:52Which I thought was interesting.

11:56What's the presenter's name at the end? Demis Asabas? Yes. He was the one that said, like, AGI is coming. And so, I think it's interesting that OpenAI and Microsoft, they've now, like, let that go by the wayside, and they're not really talking about AGI, and it's not even part of their agreement anymore. And Google's over here like, nah, it's here, bro. We're at the foothills of the singularity. That does, you know, it does sound like, if you say that more with kind of like a, maybe I'm high-esque, you know, like a dumb and dumber, we're at the foothills of the singularity, bro. I think that fits better.

12:26They should have done it like that. The foothills of the singularity is definitely a Pink Floyd album, right? Ooh, that's pretty good. That is a good album name. Or maybe it's a band name. There was that quote, and there was also this quote. Our mission, this is quoting from the Google keynote, Dennis Asabas, is to reimagine the drug discovery process with the goal of one day solving all disease. Google literally is saying they're going to solve all disease with AGI. We're back to big promises, Jason. This is, like, big. Like, I said this to you beforehand, and the thing is, looking at this entire list of

13:01all of the things that got announced, most of which are slightly different versions of the same things that got announced, and also last year, same things, right? Like, they just keep, and Google is notorious for renaming things that they've already announced, and so then you don't realize that, wait, is this a new thing, or is this just a new name for this other thing? Or is it the other thing, and it's a slightly new version of it, so they've decided to change the name. Remember when Gemini used to be called Bard? Like, it's all very confusing. Oh, yeah. But looking through this entire list, it is, like, the thought that kept occurring to me

13:33is, well, if anyone could pull off all of this stuff, it's definitely Google. For one, they have all of the technology. They have Demis Asabas, who is, like, the godfather of AI, right? When you, if we're going to, I think we're going to talk about it later, but when you look through the conversations that were happening that were revealed during the Musk versus Altman trial, you realize that almost all of the early conversations were about people terrified of Demis Asabas, because he was, like, he was the guy.

14:05Everyone knew. And they just figured he was going to rule it all. And now he got on stage today and said, I'm ruling it all. This is my kingdom. You are all just my pawns. But Google is, like, the company you're, like, definitely could pull this off. And also, Google is a company that you're, like, they might forget about all of this tomorrow. There is literally a website called Killed by Google. Yeah. With a graveyard of all the things Google said. And a lot of the stuff Google announced is, like, coming this summer. And so it's like, okay, what? Okay, we'll see. So let's get into it. I mean, to be honest, we're having a little fun here because it just feels like Google

14:37is a little high on their own supply, maybe you could say. It does feel like there's a bit of, anyway, yeah, that. Yeah. But they announced some interesting things. And because Google, like you're saying, has all the things, like Google Docs to search to everything, they can do some fun stuff. So, like, Google Docs Live is a feature that Sundar Pichai showed up. And he's basically like, listen, you can talk at your phone. And because Google has your email and it has all your search and everything and personal

15:08intelligence, they say I have this example where someone's like, hey, I'm giving a talk at my high school or whatever. So pull my resume from Google Docs. Pull the email from the school from Gmail. And I want to talk about this and that and this. Remind me to tell the story about how I got into that and bold that. And it'll just, like, create this Google Doc with the whole outline and the tables. And cool. Like, I mean, that is nice. And that's something where maybe Claude Cowork could do that today. Like, if you gave it access to a document or a folder on your Mac and it had context for

15:42whatever. But I think the promise that Google is espousing is like, well, if you just, like, Google already knows it all. So you can just add, you can just talk to Google Docs and it'll make this doc for you. The quality of the doc and the content always remains to be seen. That's kind of like the litmus test is like, would I use this out of the box? How much editing does it take? But it's cool that it does it. It's also interesting that we're now at a phase where Google has stopped trying to pretend like, your data is yours and it's sacred and secret.

16:12And they're literally just saying what we all knew was true, which is, listen, we already know everything about you. We have access to all of your information, all of your data and all of your files. So why don't you just let us do something useful with it? Yeah. And I mean, if it is useful and you would use it all the time, if you're having to make presentations or docs about stuff constantly, like, yeah, sure. They also announced Google Omni and they have like 13 different like generative tools. Like there's Google flow, there's Google pics. We're going to get into Google Omni. And it did feel like we're going to talk a little bit about the Gen Z hate AI because

16:46we had a great email from a listener who's Gen Z who graduated a couple of years ago. But it did feel like such a juxtaposition between how people are booing AI, an ex Google CEO at a commencement talking about AI and Google in this keynote was like, you can generate anything from anything. Like that's literally what they said. Like you can generate anything. You can give Google Omni a photo, a video, a prompt, and it can make whatever you want. It can make videos, images, audio, music. And so they're just full on being like, hey, generate everything.

17:19And even putting these tools into things like YouTube so creators can make shorts, just have AI do it. And it's like, ah, okay, I guess. I mean, the idea would be you could take a video of this keynote or of a person just standing up and giving a talk. You could video yourself giving a speech and then you could feed it into Omni and be like, make me the keynote to go with this. Right. Like really? Yeah. And they showed like lots of manipulation type things of like a guy walking along a wall

17:49and then they made it look like a sci-fi thing and then made it look like change the scene. And like, I guess they're going after filmmakers or maybe like independent video type businesses who don't have the budget to do that with visual effects and like the expensive way. And so maybe you could just have AI do it. And if it's good enough, okay, I guess. I don't know. I don't know either. But I don't know if they know. I don't know if they know either. I don't know that they know who they're going after. I think it's like technology cool. Yeah. But is it David Pierce who's like, is this a thing?

18:21Is this a thing? Put it all out there. But I do. I also think there are a lot of people generating stuff. I mean, I see so much stuff on social media now where it's like, is this? This is AI. This is AI. You know, it's just like real after real. And things that I even have to, like I get my in-laws and other people like send me stuff and they ask me like, is this real? Is this real? I'm like, no, it's not real. Which to that point, there was a large portion of the Google IOC, you know, where they talked about C2PA tagging. And they basically said everything generated with AI from Google's tools will be tagged.

18:56And so there's going to be C2PA. And you can even see the data that it was captured with X. So if you took a video from your Google Pixel phone, it'll say this video was taken on Google Pixel and then edited with Google Omni. Or it was manipulated with this. And so they're also rolling that out to Google Search and Chrome at large. And they even got partners, OpenAI have agreed to play nice, Kakao and Eleven Labs to say this was generated. Like they're all going to tag and label their stuff, which I think is good.

19:29Like that's a positive move. More of these players are going to make it clear when their stuff is tagged. And you'll be able to, I thought this was cool, ask Chrome, is this AI? So if you see a post, you're browsing the web in Chrome, or you come across an image or video, you can literally right click and just say, is this AI? And it will tell you this was generated either by Google or by OpenAI. And whether that metadata carries through the pipeline, you know, if someone generates something with Google Omni, brings it into Premiere, exports it from a media encoder.

19:59And then I don't know if you can strip that data. I'm not, I don't know the technical side well enough. Hopefully it stays through that whole process. But I do think that was a positive move. I mean, all you literally have to do is screen record a video, like make a video of video or screenshot a photo. Like this is nothing. It's a good point. This is literally nothing. Also, the only place where this matters, I shouldn't say it's literally nothing. It is slightly more than nothing. Okay. But it is not a meaningful thing at this point. This is, this is mostly the AI companies trying to,

20:33what is it? What is the phrase like greenwashing, right? This is essentially greenwashing AI where it's like, yes, we pollute things, but also we buy credits for carbon, whatever, or like, so what this is essentially doing is we've created a standard so that we'll be able to identify fake content so that the tools we're making so that everyone can make fake content are fine. Or you could maybe just not make those tools that are going to cause a huge problem down the road. Because here's the scenario. The only scenario where this matters is, is meta on board.

21:04Because what needs to happen is every time you upload a video that is tagged in this way, a giant red key line needs to appear around the video. And there are watermark needs to say, not real, not real. Because you just described the conversations you have with people wanting to know, is this real? And, and, and they're not going to right click in Chrome to find out who was taken on a pixel and whatever. Or that's the only scenario where this matters is will meta adopt this and will meta make it very

21:35clear? And I promise you they won't because the single most useful thing to meta right now is millions and millions of people generating endless amounts of fake content to put on there. That'll keep people engaged. That is true. I was happy to read from our listeners that they also think instance is stupid. The meta feature. Absolutely more on it. It's so dumb. I guess that is a point. Like whether the AI disclosure is proactive versus upon request, I think does make a big

22:06difference. Because if someone is scrolling reels, they're not going to like tap and hold and say, is this AI? And then wait for it to think about it and then look at it. Like that's not going to happen. Now, if, and TikTok, I think is the only platform that allows, has this, there is like a slider in the TikTok settings for like how much AI content you want. And you can literally turn that slider down. It doesn't reveal what's AI. It's just saying you can have less of it. You can't have none. You can't move that slider all the way to zero, but you can, you know, choose the amount

22:37of AI. If this tagging can then lead into that, but it is a setting you have to manage anyway. We'll see. We're still a long way away from whether tagging and all of this has a meaningful effect. I did look up greenwashing, by the way, quoting from Google AI overview, greenwashing is the deceptive marketing practice of presenting a company product or service as more environmentally friendly or sustainable than it truly is. Yeah. Greenwashing. That's the, I think that fits pretty well. That's it. This is AI slap washing, basically.

23:09Oh, there it is. AI slap washing. Yeah. Okay. So they also announced Google Gemini 3.5 Flash, which is better than everything. It's better than the current pro versions. That's available, I think, in the Gemini app and web. And it'll be rolling out more to more people soon, even on the free tier. So that's, that's Flash. Antigravity 2.0, which is, there's so many names, but Google Antigravity is like the developer platform. And so they're going to have a nicer desktop app. Agent first. That was one thing I got from this keynote is like agent, just that like everything agent.

23:40It's all agents. Like Google said, there's going to be agents in search. There's agents in Antigravity. Gemini Spark is literally a personal AI agent, which we're going to get to, but like everything's an agent. And so Antigravity, also agent first. Well, I guess what that means is, I don't know what that means, but I guess it means like you just talk to the agent and then he does things. Well, they do things. There you go. Well, yeah. And I guess to try to just parse this out for people, right? Gemini, we all know what the models are. Gemini, the Gemini 3.5 Flash is supposed to be faster than Gemini 3.1 Pro or whatever.

24:15And it's way more efficient. They made the comment about like saving you billions of dollars. And I'm like, you're not going to save me billions of dollars because I don't have billions of dollars to save, right? Exactly. But okay, cool. That's great. You're, you know, you have, you're trying to explain this. Antigravity is sort of the equivalent of like Codex or Cloud Code-ish sort of, right? But where it's focused on spinning up agents that will then do this stuff for you and then Spark, what you're going to get to is kind of like co-work-ish type thing.

24:46Yeah, yeah. And so it's hard because, and Antigravity is actually not new. They announced this last year. They made it clear that this is version 2.0. So it's, you know, more agency. This is literally, they built the Gemini Mac app using Antigravity internally. So like. Yes. And the idea is it's like a standalone desktop application built around orchestrating agents. And the thing about agents is, you know, I was, I obviously have an app in the app store. You can download it. It's called Contextly.

25:16I'd love it if you do that. But anyway, I. Link below. I wanted to make a change to something. And so I typed it into Cloud Code and it's like, great. Here's what I'm going to do. Agent one is going to do this. Agent two is going to do. I'm like, who are these agents? Where are you sending in ninjas to like fix part of my code? Like, so most of the time we don't even think about that. Now you could also create agents like people are doing, like OpenClaw or whatever. Like you can set these things up to be running all the time. But, but for most, so agent orchestration is, I don't think a consumer feature is what I'm

25:47trying to say. No, no, no. It is. Yeah. And that's actually what a like perplexed computer talks about doing is like, we're going to orchestrate all the models and agents, whatever. So that's, if you're a developer, I think Gemini Spark is one of the more interesting things, which it's always, it's hard to parse like during the keynote, like where does this live? Like, does this live in the Gemini app? Is this like a different app? Is this on the web? And so unclear, but Gemini Spark is kind of like the Claude Cowork, like you were saying of Google.

26:17So it is a quote unquote, personal AI agent takes actions on your behalf. But the big difference is it runs on virtual machines 24 seven. And so it's not dependent on your computer being on and active to run your task. Like at even like Sundar Pachai said from the stage, like you can close your laptop, which I've been seeing memes all over. That was a direct, like he speaking to the people who are standing on the sidelines of the kids soccer games with their laptops open because their agents are running. Exactly.

26:48I've even seen like accessories now where you put it in the USB port or the HDMI port of your laptop to like you, so you can close the lid, but the laptop stays on. And it's because people want their agents like doing stuff. There's nothing your agents are doing that is important enough that you can't just close your laptop every once in a while. Like seriously, what are they doing? Are they like, are they coding? Coding, I guess. So what? It'll just pick up when you open the thing. I know, but it is nice to say like, I don't even have to think about that. It all happens in the cloud. But of course, whatever the agent is working on also has to be in the cloud.

27:20And I think that is a fundamental shift of like, you know, Claude co-work on my Mac. My Mac has to be on because it's working on things on my Mac locally. And like Claude, you know, it's communicating to the Claude servers cloud, but like it's doing stuff with the files on my computer or whatever, using some MCP server. But Google is very much taking the position of like everything happens in the cloud. And so when you use Gemini Spark, like it's doing stuff up there. And then you can come back to it, whatever. And I did think it was interesting to use an iPhone for the Spark demo, which obviously

27:51everything's on purpose, but like I thought that was interesting. And it's also going to be coming to like Chrome. And basically they said Chrome will be an AI browser, which it had AI features already. But I think this is another shot at like Perplexity Comet or ChatGPT Atlas, which I haven't heard anything about Atlas in like the last three months. But that Chrome will have Spark and then it will just be able to do stuff. For you. And then Android Halo, which is the agents will be on your phone.

28:22So Spark is like Gemini agents in the cloud doing stuff up there. And then Android Halo, if you have an Android device, is going to be agents doing stuff on your phone, which is different than Gemini Task Automation, which is also Gemini doing stuff on your phone. So hopefully that's totally clear. Hopefully that's also definitely not letting agents do things on my phone. Yeah. I mean, I mean, order Starbucks for you if it could do it well. Okay. Let's talk about this for one second, Stephen. No, no, no. Like I want to just, I want to just poke at the premise here.

28:54Yeah. How hard is it to order Starbucks? I mean, you can do it with shortcuts. You can do it with shortcuts. Also, you could do it by opening the app and tapping on reorder my last thing. Like I don't understand like how complicated people's lives. Hold on. How complicated have people's lives gone? I don't believe that these are even close to the use cases. They keep talking. Everyone wants to talk about. I actually heard on the recap from The Verge, they talked about you can use it to plan an

29:24event like your wedding. I'm like, no, no, you won't. You will not use an agent to plan your wedding. Right? No, you won't. This is like self-driving cars. Some people actually like to drive cars. Sure. So here's the scenario. And I actually did a video. I'll put in the show notes where I run Gemini task automation on a Samsung Galaxy S26, which you could do right now with Starbucks, DoorDash, and Uber, I believe. Starbucks is the most useful, I find it. But the scenario that I think it would be useful for someone like me is if we ever do

29:55a road trip, we're going to hit a Starbucks somewhere. And if I'm driving, like, yes, I can hand my phone to my wife, which I've done. Hand your phone to your wife. Yes, she could do it. Sometimes she might be asleep. Like this literally happened on the way back from the beach yesterday. She was asleep. She didn't want anything from Starbucks. The kids are going to get stuff. To be able to just, like, talk to the phone and get all the orders with the customizations right so I don't have to look at the phone and I can then just order it, that's one scenario where it's like, okay, that's, there's some value there.

30:27Now, yes, it is slow. I would never, like, sit at home and do that. Like, it would be much faster for me to tap around on the app personally. But there might be scenarios. If you're walking down the street, no, you're not going to do that walking down the street in New York City. You're going to, you're just going to tap on the app. So, yeah, I just think, I think that unless it is fast, the shortcuts thing is the only good option at this point because it's actually faster. It is fast. Right. It's just because you can set it up and be like, make a shortcut of my favorite order and you just run the shortcut and it just, then you show up and there's a drink writing

30:59for you. Right. That's different than, did it get, did it hear me? Is it doing it? Like, I just don't think that, I don't know. I don't feel like this is a problem that actually needs to be solved. It just makes a good demo. It makes a good demo. I mean, if it expands, you know, right now it's only in three apps. If we're to expand and be able to do other things, like if you could tell it, you know, create a project in Asana and create these tasks, assign it to these people. Like if you could just kind of stream of consciousness, talk to your phone and it take all those actions on your behalf and it's actually accurate.

31:31So when you get to the office, you then don't have to like go through all that tedious work of creating the projects and the tasks, whatever it's all just done. Maybe. And it's actually accurate. That's a really important thing. You just glazed right past. I will say, devil's advocate, whenever I did a customary Starbucks order, if it could get those right with Stevia packets, upside down caramel macchiato, like it got all of that. And that's a lot of little dropdowns. It's got to click. I'm just saying. Here's, I just figured it out. Okay. In 2007, Steve Jobs got up on a stage and he introduced the iPhone.

32:06Yeah. And then he pranked called a Starbucks. He said, I'd like to order 4,000 lattes. Ha, just kidding. Nevermind. And he hung up the phone. That's right. And Google's like, what if an agent pranked called Starbucks for you and ordered 4,000 lattes on your behalf? You just shout at the phone. You don't even, it's like Steve Jobs is living rent free and all of these tech executives heads. You know, that's a good point. Yeah, probably. All right. Well, there's a bunch of other stuff. Last thing. And then we're going to get to like universal cart and more Gemini stuff.

32:39But Google talked about a seamless AI search experience. So again, like the whole theme of the keynote was just injecting AI into all the things as much as possible. And so for Google search, they're going to do search agents. So not only can Google search, like if you search for something, it will send agents out there and do stuff for you. And you can check for updates, which I think is a useful task. This would be like scheduled tasks in Claude or whatever.

33:09You could say, check the availability of movie tickets for Odyssey from this theater, like for every hour. And let me know when there's some available. So we can do those kind of repeated automated tasks because it lives in the cloud. And then they even said they're putting anti-gravity in search because they want you to be able to, if you have a question about black holes, to when you ask the question, anti-gravity and Google search will literally build visuals for you, like in real time.

33:42And so the demo that they give is like, what happens if two black holes like circle each other? And there is literally an interactive visual where you can adjust the slider for separation and for mass. And it is showing you this animation of these two black holes around each other with an explanation. Again, I will say that's kind of cool. Like when my kids have a question about time and I'm ready to give a really long-winded answer that they don't care about, I can do this and like show a visual right away. Just Google it, kids. Well, let's Google it together.

34:14I'm going to turn on screen mirroring. We'll throw it up on the Apple TV and we'll have it do that. Like that is, that's cool. Now, most of the time the examples like that you see from these kind of AI search stuff is like black holes for some reason. I feel like black holes is like a common trope of like show me how black hole works. You know, how that goes to like how do I make a chicken parmesan? I'm not sure what kind of real-time slider visualization it's going to use like a breadcrumb and cheese slider. Like what happens when I drag that cheese slider all the way to the right?

34:45I'm not sure what it does there. But cool idea. But it's just AI and everything. AI is everywhere. It is funny that the two demos that they all want to do at Google is book you a flight and show you how a black hole works. It's like where are you guys booking flights to? Like what is it about? The center of the universe. This is how a black hole works. Would you like me to book you a flight to the closest one? I'm like, no, I'm good. Thank you very much. I don't understand. I've read Icarus. I've read Icarus. I know what happens there. It is interesting though because this has already basically happened.

35:17Yes. We're all just letting it happen. Sure. But this is the most sure example of Google just wants you to only use one website. Just go to google.com for literally everything and we never want to send you to anywhere else. And it's like and we're all just allowing that to happen. And that's I think a net negative across the board. Like Google super useful. Yeah. Where did it get all of that useful information from? A bunch of websites that are just not going to exist anymore.

35:51True. I will say though like I think they are fighting still the pull of these the other AIs namely Chachapiti and Claude in the search department. Like my daughter she wants a bunny for her birthday. And I know nothing about bunnies. I don't know about you Jason. We had a bunny when I was a child. It died. I mean well obviously it's not still running around our yard. Did you enjoy the bunny? Just out of curiosity.

36:22I did not enjoy cleaning out the cage. I would not encourage anyone to get a bunny. See that I would encourage your daughter to get have a friend by the bunny and then she can go over and play with the bunny. It's kind of like being an uncle. You don't have to like you don't have to bathe the children or feed them or put them to bed. You just get to hang out with them and do cool things. My brother will like text us and be like hey does your youngest want to go to a Lions game? Yeah. Wow. But you know what? He's like I don't have to deal with the sugar rush afterward. That's the thing. Well it's like it's better to know someone with a boat than to own the boat.

36:54Absolutely. You know what I mean? So anyway she's probably going to get a bunny because she wants a bunny. Like she already has a friend with a bunny and that's why she wants a bunny. So like the bunny is probably happening. That ship has sailed. I know nothing about bunny breeds. I could not have told you a bunny breed two days ago. Bunny breed. And so she said last night can we do some research on bunnies? I said sure. And so I handed her my phone with clawed open. And I was I didn't really give her any instructions.

37:26I was like all right good and ask ask some questions. First of all I always think it's interesting. Number like step one she just started talking to it. She didn't try typing to it. And she doesn't have it. Like she types plenty but she was like she's just going to talk to this thing. So she tapped the voice mode and she just started talking to it. And she just asked a bunch of questions. She asked it for pictures. She asked it like the breeds and like friendliness and all this kind of stuff. And she was just talking to clawed about the bunnies. Now if I would have handed her the Gemini app she would have just used that.

37:57Or the Chachapiti app she would have just used that. But I do think there is a like you know whatever your preference is. Like these all do fairly well. And so Google maybe is trying to differentiate leveraging all the data it has about you. Playing that into personal intelligence. Saying we'll even build you an interactive visual. I think they're having to compete. Because I think it is still we're still in a competitive market. Like they haven't won just yet. I mean they've won for many years. Because Google search has been the default for many years. And this has been the first few year span where they've been challenged in this department.

38:31Where people are not always going to Google to search bunny breeds. But yeah. I think they're trying to get back into it.

38:40Sure. Yeah. What are you going to say? Well Google doesn't care. Because it doesn't. Like that particular set of. Sure you could do that on Google. Like it would just give you an AI overview. But you weren't going to Google to buy a bunny. Yeah sure. But they sure could have shown you ads for whatever person is getting the bunny breed keyword. The bunny breed buyer. You know. And that is the thing. Like that is still the core of Google's business is the ads business. Right. And they still need to be able to show you the ads.

39:11And so they need you there. They need you on the Google search. Because that's what people pay for. And. Yeah. I don't know what that means for like anti-gravity building you a visualization of a bunny. And whether or not. I think that's not necessary. But what it would do is like.

39:26Build you and spin up an app in real time. In your search. That then monitors the local bunny farm. Has a countdown on their website. Telling you when the next breed is going to be born. And Google will just check that every day. And then it will send you a notification when the bunnies are ready to be bought. So Gemini Spark. Build a rabbit agent. No. Not rabbit agent. I said rabbit agent. Rabbit. You're going to get the scariest bunny that you could possibly.

39:58Why is my bunny have rabies? I don't understand. Exactly. So red eyes. These red eyes. All right. There's so much more. Google cart is coming in. Jason has thoughts on that. Plus we still have. Believe it or not. More Google stuff to get to. Flow and the audio glasses. But before we do. We're going to thank our friends. We have a few friends today. I want to thank those at Copilot Money. Copilot Money is a beautiful app for managing your money wherever you are. Whatever device you have. You want to do it on the iPhone app. The iPad app. On the Mac.

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45:25One is a protocol. They had to get everybody on board with a protocol. That's fun. So I do want to say one thing about that. What this means is this is distinct from, I think, the demo you showed where like your phone is actually tapping around on the Starbucks app on its own. That's not this. It's in some ways what Google is saying, I'm sorry, that's too hard, right? So this universal commerce protocol, whatever they called it, is essentially like an, it's

45:55basically just an API between Target and Walmart and Google and all these places so that they can communicate. And I think Google said they have like 60 billion items. And it's basically a big MySQL database with a bunch of stuff in it that they can just like, oh, you click, you want this? Okay. So there's that piece of it. Then there's this, this payment processing piece of the whole thing, which is kind of insane. This agent payments protocol, which is this multi-layered thing that is too confusing to really get into. But basically think about what would be required to unleash agents with your credit card on the

46:31internet. What could go wrong? Just think about that, right? And Google explains it in a way that I'm sure is right, but it's basically like, you know, you have to have the user tell the agent or yeah, tell the agent what they want. And the agent has to find it and put it into a cart. And then the merchant has to be like, yep, I agree. I signed this. And the reason that this all matters is like, what happens if toilet paper shows up at your house and you're like, I didn't want this. Why is there a canoe in my front yard? I did not.