Does Gen Z Really Hate AI? Android 17 New Features, iPhone 17 is World’s Most Popular

0:00They made us too smart, too quick, and too many. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Google revealed a bunch of features coming to Android 17 and new hardware, a Google book, is coming. Alexa is coming to Amazon to replace Rufus AI. Meta made some interesting features this week, both in Instagram and in Meta AI chat. Anthropic is targeting small businesses. The iPhone 17 is super popular and education discounts are no longer an honor system on Apple. This episode is brought to you by Granola, Claude, Nordlayer, and you, the members who support us directly.

0:32I'm one of your hosts, Stephen Robles, joined by developer with an app in the store, Jason Aitin. How's it going? I know the Mac app got released like hours after we recorded last week, and I've never been more mad about anything in my life. But now it's out there. It is. I said, should I wait? And should I just... And I'm like, no, I'm not waiting. It's going on. No, don't wait. I'm kicking it out the door. Fly, little bird, fly. Fly, little bird, fly. We're going to talk about you app in a second because it's also available on the iPhone. It is. And the iPad. And so we're going to talk about that in a second. But a couple five-star review shout-outs.

1:04Thanks. Podcast 728 from the USA. Yes, has there ever been a five-star review that has stuck out? This one did because it was the first one this week. So thank you. Also, caseless. His ESR case broke. And we've been going caseless. Are you caseless with the 17 Pro Max? No. No, I have a Bellroy case on it right now. You still rocking the Bellroy case? Well, and I sometimes use the Nomad one. Were you a little choked up about my question about the case? No, I'm sorry. Got emotional? I had to take it. I don't know why that was funny to me. So wait, Bellroy. I have a Bellroy case and then I also have a Nomad case that I like.

1:36But the Nomad one, which is good, it gets a little roughed up. It does. Which is good. I mean, that's fine. It just looks really nice. But yeah. I'll say this is the first iPhone that I've gone caseless with. But then I went with the Moft. They sponsored a video months ago, but I actually like it. This is the Moft, like, stand MagSafe wallet with Find My. So this thing has Find My. And because it's, you know, it's a big phone, the 17 Pro Max, I can use it as a little grip thing. And it's a little stand. And I like it. So no case for me, but then MagSafe wallet.

2:08So quick check. Yeah. I typically will get a new phone and generally before the end of the first day, it's got scratches on it, like every, like all the time, like no matter what, the 16 Pro, like just that fast scratch to bejesus, like constantly. Like, I don't even understand why 17 Pro, not a single scratch. Okay, well, here's the thing. Here's the check-in. I have dropped mine a couple times. Never on cement, but I've dropped it on like hardwood floor.

2:40I dropped it and it hit like a metal thing. The frame of this iPhone 17 Pro Max, the back and the sides, rock solid. No dents, nothing. It's great. And I, I did drop it pretty hard a couple of times. There are a couple tiny, not tiny, you'll never see it on camera, tiny scratches in this corner here, all the glass, but that's it. And it, um, yeah. But I'm not so in the past, when I say I scratch it up, I, I don't, I almost never drop my phone.

3:11Like I almost never do. It sometimes falls off the arm of the chair onto the wood floor, but it's fine. Like that's not, iPhones have been able to handle that for a very long time. And concrete is the enemy here, right? Concrete. So just avoid concrete period. You're good. But just in general use, like inside out of your pocket, like all that kind of stuff, it would just get scratched to heck and it hasn't anymore. I feel like whatever invincible ceramic duo shield plus max they put on these things, they finally figured it out. Steven. I think, I think they did. My scratches, I think came, I did drop it on pavers, uh, one time.

3:44And I think that was the time it scratched a little bit, but honestly, like segmented concrete, Steven. Correct. And the scratch, listen, I've typically been one in the past where if I have a tiny scratch on my screen, I have to figure out how to like finagle the apple care to get a replacement because it'll bother me. And I've been, uh, I've been okay. I've been living with it. And, uh, anyway, it's not bad. And you just drop it again. That's right. With a hammer. You can't tell, we can't, we can't say that kids. I don't understand why I dropped it on a hammer, but I did. I'm sorry. Listen, I don't know. I don't know why it hit 10 hammers on the way down after I dropped it.

4:16Yeah. The nail puncture. I don't know how that got there. The nail straight through it. Okay. And so, uh, one of the five star review from Barty Burns, still the only podcast he hasn't gotten bored of. We thank you so much. I'm glad we're entertaining. Also important point regarding the Midwest. John Steinbeck famously said, this is from Barty Burns, the Missouri river separating Mondan, North Dakota and Bismarck, North Dakota is the place the U S map should fold, which is good to prove as any of that North Dakota is the Midwest go team. Can I just say Barty Burns definitely sounds like a character in a John Grisham book, just

4:51to be clear. Like, I think that's a great name. That's great name. Uh, and I think, yeah, you fold it there. That's probably in the middle. Well, but yeah, North Dakota, Midwest. Okay. You're, you're very Midwest and Michigan's away on them. We're East of the Midwest. No, no, you're East. Right. We're the East Midwest. Yeah. Okay. So John Steinbeck was a partial. He wanted more Midwest than there exists, I think. Yeah. Anyway. He was a sad, he was, he was, he was very depressed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, it's not depressing. Are these apps? I want to give a shout out. Great. See, like that transition. Thank you.

5:22Uh, a couple of listeners, the virtual boy, that virtual boy.com wanted to shout out his app diddly. You can get it on the app store, Mac and iPhone. It's a fun take on a task app. It looks really cool. And so I'm going to link that down in the show notes. And I'd heard about this app from several different creators. Christopher Lawley covered it on his YouTube channel and others. It's beam, which is a web browser built for iPad to work and feel more like a desktop browser. It has a bunch of keyboard shortcuts, uh, which is rare for a lot of iPad apps.

5:53It has built in ad blocking sidebar tabs. We had talked about, you know, vertical versus horizontal tabs. It's a one-time purchase, no subscription for six bucks. But if you're looking for a great browser on iPad, uh, this is made by Henrik who listens to the show and has listened to the podcast like since the beginning, which is awesome. I had no idea, uh, that we had, uh, just so many cool, uh, no, I didn't know. I know we had a lot of cool developers that listened to the show. Did not know beam creator. Also, I just realized I do have this on my iPad. You do have, okay. Yeah. So Jason been running this. Yeah. It's a great app. So that's beam. That'll be linked down in the show notes.

6:25And one other app I want to give a shout out. I covered this in my video earlier this week with contextually, uh, for a Mac app, but gnome is a pretty fun app searching and getting gifts quickly on the Mac, which sometimes is, you know, it could be not seamless. You know, if you want to share a gift in Slack and or email and or some other messaging app, they don't always have great gift search. And so gnome, it's a $7 app. I talked about it in my video, but, uh, yeah, it's a fun little fast gift search. I put it on a keyboard shortcut, shift option command G and my gift search just comes right

6:56up. I can get a gift. There you go. Gnome, do you say gift or jiff? I, I think it's a, uh, I don't know. I don't usually say it out loud. I feel like it should be gif. Thank you. But I think I usually say jiff. No, but I don't actually ever say any of it. Anyway, I believe it's gif. I think that's a five star rating and review in Apple podcast and say gif, just say gif or jiff. Just, just put your pronunciation spelled out with no other commentary in the five star review, gif or jiff.

7:27Do you say PNG or ping? Do you say giraffe or giraffe? See, my question was like serious, but okay. Wait, wait, so say it again. Like a PNG, like the, the image. Oh, I say PNG. I don't say ping because ping is like another term. It's like P-I-N-G. I'm going to ping you or whatever. I'm going to take a picture of you and make a screenshot of it. And I'm going to ping you. Yeah, there's that. Oh, and one other shout out to the medieval knight riding a polar bear, which I'm wearing on my shirt right now and actually made its way on a transatlantic cruise.

7:58This was a Chris Peck, a transatlantic to Lisbon, Portugal. And there's a little middle medieval knight on the polar bear, 12 days, four straight sea days. And yeah, he's, he's brought the middle medieval knight along. Look at that. That is amazing. I went to Portugal and I didn't take it with me. Listen, I left it with my vision pro so everything would be safe. Oh, wow. Man. So this is curious. I know I knew the medieval knight had traveled many places in Europe. I don't know if I think I might've sent one to Australia, but now it's been transatlantic.

8:30It's crossed the Atlantic ocean. I wonder, can we get it to all seven continents now? No. Antarctica is going to be a problem. Listen, I just watched Chloe Abrams, a huge, if true video about Antarctica, which was incredible. I'm actually going to link it in my weekly newsletter podcast, Top 5 Tech. Let me just shamelessly plug that. If you, if you like podcasts and you like hearing me on podcasts, uh, top5.tech, I've been doing an episode every week, but she went there. She went to Antarctica. I made a whole YouTube video. I think, okay, here's the thing.

9:01We need to confirm that the medieval knight riding a polar bear is reaching all seven continents. So I know we're in Europe, we're in the U.S. If you're in South America, Africa, Asia, Australia, and if there's any possibility that someone who's going to Antarctica listens to this show, email me podcast at primarytech.fm. Number one, I'll send you a pin. If you can somehow confirm that you're in these countries or on these continents and I will pay the $8,000 to send you a pin, uh, I will, I will send you a pin.

9:34The ideal scenario is if you live in the U.S. and you're going to one of those continents, just let us know. That too. But I, but I feel like I want, I mean, someone who lives, cause I know we have, we just had a listener from Japan. Leave us a five star rating review. Anyway. Oh, medieval knight, all seven continents. That's the goal. And last thing, thank you. Last housekeeping for 4k on YouTube. We reached 4,000 subscribers over there. Oh, I thought maybe you just meant we're releasing this show in 4k. No, that's every week. That's every week, baby. What does this even mean? YouTube has had 4k for a long time. No, no, no. It's every week. All right. Your app is out live.

10:06People can download it for free. It's a great app for free. There's a lot of great free things. I'm saying that because of my, my own PTSD about that, but you wrote it. Uh, Claude Code helped solve my biggest productivity problem. Jason, how's been the first week of your app? It's been really cool. Uh, it's weird to have a, to have made something and then to see it for real. Like in the, it was, it was kind of like the first time I wrote a story for Inc and it was like super surreal to be like, I typed those words and somebody was willing to publish them. What is happening right now?

10:36But, uh, it's, it's, it's kind of cool. It, um, it's, it's been great. So the Mac app released last Thursday, it is free to download. It's free to use forever. However, it's, if you, all you want is a replacement for, I will pitch this, the free version of this app. If all you want is a replacement for the notes app, that stock note, Apple notes app that will sync with your calendar. So you can just create notes from calendar events and change the theme. Like maybe you're just tired of looking at that yellow in the notes app, right? Yeah.

11:06Then this is perfect. It's a free app. You can have up to three notebooks, unlimited notes. Uh, it'll sync your calendar. You can create notes from your calendar. You can ignore the calendar part like that. If that's not like literally if all you wanted was a prettier version of the notes app, this is a great option for you. It does have a subscription, $5 a month or $39 a year. And for that, you do get some additional features. You get smart summaries, which essentially what it will do is like, look at your note, give you a summary of that note, and then pull out any action items. So like if you take a lot of notes and along the way, you're like, should do this, need to do

11:37this, have this thing happening, it'll just give you the, give you that summary at the top and then it will also pull out action items. And then you can just take those action items and send them to reminders or to do us or things. So it's kind of like bridging the flow between I have a thing I have to do. And when I go do that thing, I'm going to get more things I have to do. And I need a way to keep track of all of that. Steven is using the pepper theme right now, which is, I like this one a lot. So that was actually the most fun part was imagining what the themes should be. So there are a couple of different themes in here. And so that the paid version gets that there is a pretty cool paid feature that will be

12:12it's, it's basically ready, but I'm waiting for WWDC because I think it will be better after that. I'm hoping that they make some announcements. I think we talked a little bit about that in the, in the pre-show. So if you want to listen to that, you should go subscribe to the show. But, but I've been asked like, why, why subscription? Why not just a one-time thing? That's great. I'll just say this since the app has released last week, I've, I've pushed out like, well, I've already pushed out two updates to the iPhone version and I'm pushing out a Mac update today. So like, this is not a, just push it out into the world and forget about it.

12:44So I'm hoping for people who, um, who pay for it, that it becomes worth it for them. Um, and that, that they were like, yeah, $39 a year. I can, that's not that much money. And it's, it's a well, I think it's a very well-designed app. I did not know anything about how to write code. I've learned a ton about cloud kit and iCloud sync. I have learned a ton about the differences between an iOS app on the iPhone versus the iPad, because there's a lot more to that. I mean, it's obvious that there's a lot to that, but just having to reimagine, okay, on a Mac, what should the experience be like on an iPhone?

13:16What should the experience be like? And on an iPhone, you just want to quickly be able to take a note, right? Like, and on the Mac, you want to be able to organize it and get information out. And the iPad is kind of an in-between, right? You have more real estate, so it should be more Mac-like, but also it's an iOS app. So there's like some, and you can, the iPad is the only one you can rotate the orientation. So you really have to think through what should this interface be like horizontally versus vertically. So I tried to think about all those things for all of our, all the people who are using it. And so far, I feel like a lot of people have really resonated with it.

13:48So hopefully, I would just encourage you, if you're listening to this, you won't offend me if you just download it for free. Just like download it, give it a try. And then you can, I think it's a two week, you can get a two week free trial of the, of the pro features. I would just encourage you to try the pro features. If you hate them, go ahead and just like cancel. So I won't be, I won't be mad at you. So this is awesome. What did you use for the marketing images? Like, I love the fonts that you have in some of these images. Yeah, I just, well, I just went through and I took screenshots of the app and then I laid

14:19them out in the right format in Illustrator and then just exported them and put them in there. So you made these like bespoke, like you made. Oh yeah. All of that is just, yep. That's nice. It's great font. So contextually, I'll put a link to it in the app store down in the show notes. Super fun. It's an iPhone, iPad and Mac. Yep. And as I've been trying to develop my boondoggle of a second app, I have to say it is, it is tough when you start adding things like syncing and maybe sharing things like from the share sheet. So it's tough, but great, great work.

14:51It's awesome. It's awesome, man. And I do love that theme. It's a good theme. All right. News now. Sony released a new camera. We don't have it in hand, but I do want to mention it's the Sony A7R6. And so I will link Gerald Undone. He retired from YouTube and then he posted this video. I mean, it's a collaboration, so it's not technically like Gerald's video, but he just appears in it and talks about rolling stutter and rolling shutters. Two totally different things. But yeah. But I wanted to shout out because I mean, I use a Sony a7 IV still and I've marked myself

15:24safe from purchasing a Sony a7 V, even though I've been tempted several times, but I just have no reason for it. I literally just keep this camera on this tripod, never change any settings and hit record whenever I make a video. But, you know, Sony releases their series of cameras. The R comes out first. So the A7R6. And then they typically will release the A7 VI without the R, which is more of a hybrid camera where it will have, you know, more video features than typically the R series

15:55and less megapixels. And then maybe they release an S version, which I don't think an A7S ever, A7IV S ever came out. I think they're still on the A7S III, which is kind of the YouTuber camera, at least for a long time. But the A7R6, it's out there. It's like 60 something megapixels. It can film 8K 30, which is wild. And, you know, that's if you wanted to 8K. And it also doesn't overheat. They, in this testing, I'll link the video with Gerald Undone and Mark Bennett, they record it for like three plus hours at 4K at 30, I think, or 4K 60.

16:31And it didn't shut off or overheat. It was just, it was wild. So, yeah. There's a little polar bear in there just running around cooling things down. A polar bear with a medieval knight? Maybe? I mean, I don't know. Sure. I don't know. I don't know. And you, can you say anything about this or no? We'll have to wait. I don't have any information yet. Okay, very good. I'm hoping to try it out, though. Like, I would love to review this device, so. Yeah. You should bring it to an F1 race or something. That'd be cool. That'd be amazing. That is my thing. That is how I test Sony devices. That's how you do it. Just take them to F1 races.

17:02Speaking of your, someone you have a relationship with, Lego, right? Okay. I was like, where are we going? No, no, no. A brand. I just want to mention, I don't think this is a security issue. My Wi-Fi network name is Minas Tirith, because I'm a Lord of the Rings fan, and I thought that was a fun name. And Lego announced that they are making a Minas Tirith set. It's going on sale June 1st, and it looks incredible. And I've not bought a crazy Lego like this, I don't think ever, but I'm pretty tempted.

17:38I mean, that thing looks awesome. I mean, 8,300 pieces is a lot of pieces, Steven. A lot of pieces, but I mean, I will redo my entire studio backdrop over here and just have Minas Tirith in the background of all my videos. I mean, that feels like maybe it's worth it. And it's a business expense, too. A business expense. It's a business expense. No, I'm just kidding. I actually bought the Lego. That's going to be like the third or fourth largest Lego set. Really? There's a couple over, there's like two over 10,000 pieces.

18:11There's like the Eiffel Tower. The Titanic is pretty big. There's like one of the Coliseum, and there's like some map that they have. It's like a world map. I think that's the largest with like 11,000 pieces or something. But how many did that thing say? 8,300? It was 8,300. But now I just found Lego's official top 10 list, or top 11, the biggest Legos ever. I had not heard about this world map. The world map is over 11,000 pieces. Yep. It was the biggest Lego set. The Eiffel Tower. You just knew the stuff off the top of your head.

18:42That's wild. I spend a lot of time with Lego. 10,000 pieces. The company, not the pieces. Yeah, yeah. I mean, but if you could spend time with the pieces. We have a lot of Lego pieces in our house, too, by the way. Literally, we have a Lego room, Steven. Really? We actually have an entire room that is just Lego. I should come up and do a video about that. Have I not? We've talked about this for sure. I don't know. I don't think we've talked about this. All right. I'll find a picture. You should have made a picture. 9,000 pieces is the Death Star. The Millennium Falcon, if you were wondering, was 7,500. I thought the Death Star would have been more. But no, apparently not. Okay. I had no idea.

19:13The world map. That's Titanic. That's crazy. All right. Here we go. I found you a picture of our Lego room. Can I show this online? Yeah, I don't care. We have an entire room. This is pretty old, so there's probably more newer. But I'll just send this to you. Did you text this to me? I just did. Yeah. Okay. I'll wait for it to come through, and then we'll pop it up, but I'll use it. It'll come through right now, dude. It doesn't take that long. It takes a while. You're 6,000 megabyte per millisecond. It's not me. It's iMessage. It's now dealing with all those end-to-end encrypted RCS messages, which we're going to get to next.

19:44And so it can't. Oh, this. Now, this almost looks like the Lego movie setup. You know what I mean? Where Will Ferrell comes down and yells at his kids. This one's pretty. This is a relatively old photo. But yeah, we have a whole Lego room. And then if you go to the right of this, you can't see. It's just a lot more Lego sets in those bins. That's pretty sweet. Actually, there's a small Lego area in my parents' house that we've just kept up. It has a castle and stuff, but man. Lego room. If you have a Lego room, send us a picture. I would love to see. That's super fun.

20:15All right. Software updates. Oh, before we get to that, actually, I wanted to mention Apple Vision Pro just for a brief minute because iOS 26.5 came out. Software updates for everything. I do turn on my Vision Pro to update the software when the occasion calls. And while I was there, I knew that there were several immersive videos that had come out. There was one on Sweden. No, Switzerland. Excuse me. There's a Switzerland one and New York City. I just want to shout out that they are both awesome. Have you watched either of those? No, but I will as soon as we're done.

20:47The Switzerland one is beautiful. You know, it talks about the Alps. It shows cities and towns. The narrator is a actress, I believe, a Swiss actress is a great one. But the New York City one, I'm from New York. I have, you know, I feel very connected there. And I was very curious how they would do a New York City immersive video. And they nailed it because there's actually no narration. It's literally just sounds and sights of the city. And if you've ever been in New York City or if you know it well, they really captured it accurately.

21:21Like it feels like New York City. And again, if you've been there, New York feels like an organism. Like the whole city just kind of feels like a living thing. And the immersive Apple Vision Pro thing, the show, it's one of the experience. I forget what it is. There's Boundless. And then there's, what's the other one? Boundless is a series of like the hot air balloons and stuff. And then there's the one with the high line. I have no idea. It's a series. I don't use, I don't go into the Apple TV app in my Vision Pro.

21:52Though I was really excited because people kept talking about how, what's the movie? What's the big, the space movie? Hail Mary was out. Project Hail Mary. Yeah, it was out on Amazon Prime, but it's to. Yeah, or you can buy, you should just buy it because it's great.

22:09Hold on. I need to find, it's Boundless. What is the other one? This is going to drive me nuts. It's the, it's the one with the high line. Someone is yelling at you right now. Listen. I'm yelling at myself. Apple Vision Pro, immersive video, the high line. Tell me the series. Anyway, it's the one, it's that one. It's the series with the high line. It starts with an E. I forget what it is. It'll just pop into my head. But anyway, the New York one, if you have an Apple Vision Pro, I think some of our listeners and viewers, or if you've never done an Apple Vision Pro, who knows how long it'll be around. So maybe just go to the Apple store and try it out.

22:41But the Switzerland one and the New York City one are really great. Elevated? Is that what it is? Thank you. See, I knew it started with an E. Elevated. I appreciate it. I don't know how you found it. I was literally Googling feverishly over here. I'm just better at Google than you. So apparently, apparently, Gemini Intelligence. You have no idea. Apparently. So also with iOS 26.5 for your iPhone, there is now end-to-end encryption for RCS messaging. Apple says it's supposedly in beta, but Google made a big deal about this when 26.5 came out earlier this week on Monday. It is on by default.

23:12I updated to 26.5 on all my devices, but my iPhone, like they're toggled on. You can go to settings, apps, messages, and you can see it there. But yeah, that's great. And also, I saw the splash screen for ads in Apple Maps. Now, I have not seen any ads in Apple Maps yet. I think that's coming this summer, which I don't, you know, Apple considers summer, what, June 21st, probably. Any time between now and November. Any time between now and November. So you will see an ad. If you see an ad in Apple Maps, take a screenshot and send it to us. I'd be curious. I have not seen any yet. There's also suggested places now in Apple Maps.

23:44So as soon as you tap the search box in Apple Maps, it will just show suggested places, even if you've not asked it anything. And so right now I'm showing Jerry's Barbecue. I can't see if the screen is too bright. But Jerry's Barbecue and Bob Evans. Those are my suggested places. I would not go to Bob Evans. But anyway, that's just, you know, that's that. Also, they featured some developers recently. They had a whole article featuring, like, developers in the community and spotlighting them. The developer of Mercury Weather was included in that roundup.

24:16But now they're also apparently forming a team where Apple Ads is courting developers. And the team is called the Emerging Team, the new Emerging Team group that's going to reach out to developers to see if they want to, like, you know, do ads on Apple services. I don't know. I feel like the ads in the App Store have not historically been great. But maybe, I don't know, maybe they're going to do new ones. Maybe I would call me, guys, because here's the thing. When your app gets released in the App Store, you get an email and it says, welcome to the App Store.

24:47Here's a $100 credit to use for Apple Ads. I was like, sweet, I'll spend a credit. Like, I mean, whatever. So I set it up. Yes. And when I log in to look at my Apple Ads account, it shows me that I have an ad running. Okay. And it shows me that it has been shown exactly zero times. What? And it's been clicked on exactly zero times. And I have gotten exactly zero. It's like, so whatever, I just don't understand what does it mean if an ad is running and it's

25:17never been shown to anyone. If a tree falls in the forest. This doesn't, I feel like the definition of running is like kind of loosely held here because I don't understand what's happening. So anyway, call me Apple Ads people because I would like to use this. Well, I just would like to burn this $100 credit to the ground. And if that means that some people actually, now maybe the problem is that you have to tell it like what your bid amount is and maybe 25 cents was too low. And so they're never going to show, it was not 25 cents, but maybe they're just never

25:50going to show my ad. I will say I just searched for markdown notes, which I guess, I don't know if you have markdown anywhere in your, you probably have to target that keyword if you wanted that to show up. But I saw, I'm seeing ads for note plan, which I'm familiar with and Coco note, an AI note taker. I saw two, I've never seen two ads, one right after another in the search app store search. Uh, if you're watching, there's actually the note plan ad bear right in the middle, not

26:20an ad. And then Coco note, which I've never heard of. I've never seen a double ad like that. Coco note. That's a clever name. Like coconut. Oh yeah. Like coconut's a good name. I don't see context. You should add markdown to your description or your things or whatever. Okay. Just give Jason more work. I'm just going to have to write this down. Yeah. I just don't understand. It's like, Oh wait. Okay, here we go. No, wait, seriously spend zero. So maybe I need to change my, uh, target CPA has been shown 14 times now.

26:52So I think that means that my bid is too low. Yeah. Yeah. Raise that increase my bid to $120 because that's my daily budget. There you go. All right. Well, have fun. If you see an ad for context, Lee, uh, take a screenshot. Let's stop. And then don't click on it, but scroll down and find context. Lee and click on that. That's it. That's it. So Google had like an Android event, not really an event this week, but they're, it's like the Android 17 features. It's like a pre IO Google IO is next week. Jason's going to be there in person. So he'll be reporting on the ground. Uh, but they talked about all the new features coming to Android specifically this week.

27:25And I want to get to that. Uh, but before we do, I also want to show that the Google book was teased. Now, if you remember, Google has made Chromebooks for a long time. There was high end Google laptops, namely the pixel book. Did you ever have a pixel book? Did you ever play around with one? No. I mean, well, other than like at Best Buy, they used to sell them. I literally had a pixel book. I was working at a place where I could ask to have a laptop bought for me. And I had a pixel book bought. I have no idea where that thing went because I might've returned it because it was not useful

27:59in my work specifically, but the hardware of the pixel book was spot on. I really liked the hardware. It was a great keyboard trackpad. You know, it was like Intel I seven, you know, it wasn't like the newer Silicon you could use now, but Google's going to run it back and they're going to try and make another high end laptop. This time, instead of calling it the pixel book, it's the Google book, which I feel like that name is not ideal. It's kind of hard to say Google book. You know what I mean? Yeah. The name is, well, I mean, it's very Google. Like literally it's in the name, but also like Google is not, I, every time I try to

28:34tell you about this Google hub nest max pro home thing I have, I don't, I literally have had this thing for years. I have no idea what it's called. Which also Google has a product called Google books, which is buying books from Google. And so now this is just Google book, all one word, no camel case book is lowercase. So it's just Google book, all one word, but it's now being pitched as hardware designed for Gemini intelligence. And Google has now started calling their AI Gemini intelligence, a la Apple intelligence.

29:05And we're going to get more into some of the features that are coming to Android because of Gemini intelligence, but they're going to try and do this again. They're going to say, yes, a high end laptop, a Google book is worth it because of Gemini intelligence and all the things that you can do with it, like custom widgets and running Android apps. And of course it's Chrome and Google docs and all the Google, uh, you know, software and services. They didn't really show it like clearly. We kind of just have teased imagery. There's a teaser video and we see like up close shots of the keyboard, the trackpad.

29:37There's like a glowing Google colored light on the outside, which looks kind of cool. You know, maybe kind of like trying to show like Apple on the logo with a used to glow. Now we're going to have a glowing Google book, uh, Google line or whatever. So we'll see. They're not to have a ton of information on it, but they're going to try the high end laptop thing again. I don't, I do not understand this. Google book. Now I'm just kind of having fun saying it. I know, but Google book. Great. I still don't understand it anymore.

30:07You can say it as many times as you want, but so people did not buy pixel. I mean, excuse me, Chromebooks because they were amazing and they were premium. They did it because they were disposable. Like literally schools buy these things because when you break them, they cost less than feeding you for a year, you know, school lunches. Yes. Like seriously, like they're just garbage. We've had so many Chromebooks and, and my, one of my daughters is using an Intel, a last generation Intel Mac book air, and it makes the Chromebook look like a dinosaur with arthritis

30:44that fell down and can't get back up. That's right. Like the Chromebooks are so bad, but people buy them because they're super cheap and if everything you need to do on a computer can be done in Chrome, which unfortunately is what most of us have to tolerate, then a Chromebook is fine for that. It's like fine if all you need to do is Gmail and Google slides, which again is a depressing way to live, but a Chromebook is fine for you, but you didn't buy it because you're like, gosh, you know, this is a great machine. I just, I really love this thing and using Chrome is not a great experience.

31:17Like none of those things are wonderful. So now they're like, well, what if we just said that this is a AI laptop, which then there's this weird dynamic where didn't Microsoft try that? And everyone was like, we don't want that. Copilot PCs was a real thing. Yeah, it was a real thing. And nobody cared. Literally nobody cared. I mean, I would, maybe Google has a better shop because it's Google, but one of the big issues is to sell a premium laptop. I imagine this is going to cost over a thousand dollars. Sometimes people expect it like when they buy an iPad that costs a thousand dollars to do

31:48computer things. And historically from my time working at Riverside, one of the issues we had is anytime someone was trying to do a Riverside recording and like you would go through the questions and be like, what browser are you using? We're using Chrome. Okay, great. Are you using a USB mic? Yes. Like all the questions seemingly would be correct. And then they would say, oh, well, I'm using a Chromebook. And it was immediately like, oh shoot. Yeah, throw it away and go buy a MacBook Neo. Or even a Windows PC because even those you could connect a USB mic and Riverside could

32:21do its like recording to the browser cache and all of that. So it remains to be seen if you buy this expensive Google book, we'll be able to do computer things like connecting an audio interface and recording a podcast. You know what people like doing, Jason? Recording podcasts. People love recording podcasts. People like doing video calls and using fancy microphones and stuff. And so like, can this expensive laptop do that stuff? So that remains to be seen. Yeah. I don't feel like pitching it as an AI device. Okay.

32:51You know, you can do a lot of AI stuff on your Mac now too. Like you can give Claude Cork full control of your Mac. Right. And I don't know what Gemini intelligence, what advantage it's going to have on a Google book as opposed to Claude code or co-work on a Mac. But we'll see. I'm interested in the hardware. I just, I just don't understand what they think the market is for this because there has not been an, other than like nerds, there's not an abundance of people out there. Like I would like AI on my computer. Right. Like, in fact, we just talked about like the younger people are like, get the AI the F away

33:22from me. Like, it's just, I don't want any of this. And so I don't think that this is going to be the direction that makes a lot of sense. I think that we've, that Apple has proven that what people really want is an inexpensive computer that is not garbage. And so they just make Chrome and this isn't even going to run Chrome. It's going to basically run Android. Right. They say Chrome OS, but I'm not even sure what Chrome OS is today. I don't know, but it's like, it'll just run your Android apps that are on your phone. If you, you don't need to download them. And I'm like, I don't know what that even means.

33:52I mean, it could be like iPhone mirroring, like on the Mac now. Yeah. And which is fine, but it's not the primary way I want to use any app. No, I will say anytime I see a notification on my Mac and I click it just reactively and it opens iPhone mirroring, I immediately quit. I say, no, stop. I don't want to do that. I actually don't. Do you ever use iPhone mirroring on your Macs?

34:14Yes. The only time I use iPhone mirroring is when I'm too lazy to find my phone and I need the two factor code. Oh, from the Microsoft. That's it. Ah. It's the only time I do it. That's the only, if I, I don't have to have that use case, but if I did, I would get it. That's it. That's the only time I ever use it. The other, this is not iPhone mirroring, but the other feature I do like is if there's a live activity, like an Instacart delivery and I can get the live activity on my Mac in the menu bar. That's cool. But you don't have to open the app to do that. Correct. That's not iPhone mirroring. It just does it automatically.

34:44It's just a continuity feature. Yeah. It just does it. The only, the main, well, the reason I don't think this is going to be like a great experience for people is if you've used iPhone mirroring, it takes like 45 minutes for that, for it to open and to boot up and to do its thing. And I understand the reasons why it's like, whatever, but I'm just like, I'm like, by now I could have gone and found my phone. Yes. Yeah. It is not a scene. And that's why I can typically quit it before it even loads the home screen because it's trying to load. I should, I should see if I could turn that off. There's probably, I will say building and running an app in Xcode in the simulator is

35:16faster than iPhone mirroring. I don't know about that. Well, it's pretty close on the Mac mini that I'm screen sharing too. It's slow, but that's a slow Mac mini. So anyway. All right. So we're gonna talk more about the reaction to AI because I found a video on social media of a college commencement and it's a, it's pretty telling. And plus it meta is trying a bunch of other weird features, both AI and Instagram instance, which is weird. But anyway, we're going to get to all of that. But before we do, we have some friends to thank. And the first one is talking about meetings and maybe recording them, transcribing them.

35:48Granola is the way it's an AI notepad for people in back-to-back meetings. So if you have to do a ton of meetings, you know, the struggle, you're trying to take notes, whether there's actually valuable information or not, but there's probably an action item that you need to take away from the meeting and Granola is going to help you do that. It's an AI powered notepad built for the way real people actually meet. And here's how it works. You take rough notes. You know, you could take your notes in bare contextually. That's what you should be doing. You should be taking notes in context. But Granola will transcribe the meeting, turns everything into a clean, structured, actually useful notes when the meeting ends.

36:19And the best part, and this is what really sets Granola apart from a lot of other services, it works with your device's audio. So it's not something that has to integrate with Google Meet or Zoom. It's just going to work seamlessly into whatever video conferencing tools you already use. If it's something proprietary, if it's something weird like WebEx, it'll work with all of that. There's no setup, no awkward bots. And you can actually listen instead of frantically typing every word and still walk away knowing exactly what was decided. I've tried a lot of different apps that maybe record your meetings and do all this kind of stuff.

36:49Granola is one of the best. And especially because it works on that like system level recording the audio, you don't have to think about whether it's compatible with whatever other virtual meeting platform you're using. So if meetings are eating up your day, Granola is a no-brainer. You can try it totally free for three months. Just head to granola.ai slash primary. That's granola.ai slash primary to get your time back. And you get three months for free at granola.ai slash primary. And thanks to Granola for sponsoring this episode and our friends at Anthropic, the makers of

37:22Claude. Yes, they're sponsoring this episode. They've not sponsored any other part of this episode where we're talking about them, but they're sponsoring this part. And I will say it is how, I mean, Jason literally wrote how Claude Code helped him build an app. Yeah. And by the way, I paid for it just to be clear. I paid for the Mac's whatever super version. Jason paid for it to help him buy up his app. I want to talk about something I recently built with Claude, namely a Lincoln bio site on my website. I've built several parts of my own website now with Claude, asking it to build like YouTube video carousels on my homepage, asking it to redo my smart home webpage.

37:52I do a ton of stuff with Claude. And I do a bunch of stuff with Claude Cowork, which now has a great MCP for bare notes and fast mail. I now have scheduled tasks in Cowork where it looks through my email. It can read and not write. You know, you can choose what kind of permissions you give Claude Cowork. And so it can look at my email and I tell it every day it runs a scheduled task, find any email that looks like a sponsor. And because those are kind of hard to find in that mess of emails, draft an email to that. And now I can just go to my drafts folder in the mail app on my iPhone and I can see all

38:25the sponsors that have reached out that day. There's a draft email there from Claude. And then I can, you know, edit the email, attach whatever, and it works great. So schedule tasks in Claude Cowork have great MCPs. Plus it can just natively connect to things like Gmail, Google Docs. I actually use it now to even crop the photos of the chapter artwork. So I save a bunch of photos. And now the way we do the show with Apple Video in Apple Podcasts, I have to crop the photos as squares, but I wanted to focus on the subject. I asked Claude Cowork to do that. I literally pointed at a folder with a bunch of images.

38:55I say, hey, crop all these images as a perfect square. And Claude Cowork just does it. And I haven't looked at the script once this whole time. So I'm not, I think that was all personal experience. And it's all features that you can do. Claude Cowork, Claude Code. It has all of that. Plus I've been using Dispatch, which is pretty cool. You can, you know, basically message your Mac at home from the Claude app on your iPhone and say, hey, run this thing, do this. And Dispatch works great too. So that's all, that's all we've been doing. We just use Claude all the time. And so what you do is go to Claude.ai slash primary and check out Claude Pro, which includes

39:28access to all the features that I talked about in today's episode. I think Jason and I both pay for Macs, but that's just so you get the higher token and you get more usage. But Pro has all those features. So if you're ready to have an AI that can tackle real work, try Claude Cowork today, Claude.ai slash primary and check out Claude Pro. That's Claude.ai slash primary. Our thanks to Anthropic and Claude for sponsoring this episode. And one more, we want to thank our friends at NordLair. Look at this landing page. It's beautiful. It has primary technology listeners right there. Our promo code real big.

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42:04But I do want to mention the other Google I.O. Android 17 features. So MKBHD posted a video about the new features. I'll link his video. The Verge also had an article kind of running down all the new features. But Android 17, it has more Gemini intelligence. There's that word again. So there's going to be a lot more. There's like a redesign of Gemini intelligence. There's a lot more task automation. I did a video with the Samsung Galaxy S26 Ultra talking about task automation where it can literally use apps for you, like use the Starbucks app, use the DoorDash app.

42:37And it was actually decent where there's going to be more of that task automation coming in Android 17. There's AI widgets where you can literally ask Gemini to make a custom widget. Curious how many things you can ask it to do. So that remains to be seen. Maybe you'll see some of my Google I.O. next week. They also have a thing called PausePoint. PausePoint, so trying to help people with their digital well-being. PausePoint, you can literally tell Android 17, listen, these apps, whether it's Instagram or TikTok, these are distracting.

43:08And so whenever I go to open it, start a timer. And you can even tell it to like show you nice pictures of your kids or your family or your pets or whatever. And it'll be like, do you really want to open this app? And do you really want to doom scroll right now? So you can have your Android phone basically like not to bully you, not coerce, but gently guide you away from the app that you just tried to open, I guess.