Episode 152: One-on-One Coaching with Molly Wyatt: How to Get Your Art Seen (Online, Offline, and Without an Art Degree)

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Workshop Announcement

1:00Okay, you guys. I have a huge workshop announcement. Right now, I am announcing I've got one workshop available in October. It's the Honest Art Workshop and it's the only one I've offered in the U.S. in 2026. It's going to be here in Austin, Texas in October. We'll put more information in the show notes for you. But then in addition to that, I am announcing that we're going to Australia. So I'm hosting a workshop in Australia in February of 2027 with our host, Jody Gere of the House

1:35of Gere. This is going to be taking place in just south of Melbourne on the Mornington Peninsula and I'm so, so excited. So if you want to learn more about these two workshops, please go to the link in show notes. Find out soon because these workshops sell out so, so fast. And I would love to see you there.

Welcome to Honest Art Podcast

1:58Welcome back to the Honest Art Podcast, everybody. I am your host, Jody King. And I've been a professional artist for over 22 years. And one of my favorite things to do is to support artists in their growth. And one of those artists is here today. Her name is Molly Wyatt. And I first met, I hope you guys are watching this on YouTube. She's absolutely precious. But if not, you can get everything you need on just on audio too. But anyway, she's a cutie. Anyway, so I first met Wally.

2:30That's not true. That's not right. Hey, that works too, girl. I first met Molly Wyatt at a workshop in Santa Fe. And she just stood out her personality, as you'll see on the podcast. She's got this just very joyful, energetic spirit about her. And then Molly joined the Honest Art Society, where I get to see her, maybe not every week, but a lot during the month, I guess, on coaching calls. And one of the things that we started is, if you're a member of Honest Art Society,

3:06you can join me on the podcast for basically a live coaching call, like real-time sort of moments and moment. This is recorded, but it is definitely real-time coaching. So Molly agreed to come on. And she has some idea of what we're going to be talking about. And when I saw the questions that she had, I knew they were going to be helpful for all artists. So welcome, Molly. Thank you so much for having me, Jodi. I'm just thrilled to be here.

3:37One of the things I want to point out is that Molly and I did not, we did not plan this, but we are both wearing these like blue denim shirts. We're denim girls. With, but also with our jewelry. Oh, yeah, blue. That's hilarious that we both did this. She just, Amy sent me a little memo of what you were doing today. Not true. Not true.

Artist Background

3:59Anyway, so let me tell you a little bit more about Molly. So Molly is a self-taught artist. You call yourself a mixed media artist, but is it primarily paint? Because I know when we worked together, it was primarily paint. Okay. Living in Minneapolis. Go Minnie. Go Minnie. Go Minnie. Okay. Yeah. And her work, I can tell you because I've seen it, it's bold and it's playful. It's got a lot of color. And I love the way you say, channels a childlike sense of energy and movement.

4:31I think that's absolutely true. So I'll just say what you said. You say your practice is anchored in painting as a form of regulation and healing. And you hope to pass those feelings of joy, energy, and hope onto the viewers of the people that see your work. And I think that's absolutely true. I also want to say congratulations because you just sold a piece recently, didn't you? Yes. I sold six. Oh! Oh! At a show. Amazing. That is incredible.

5:03Oh! Love to hear it. Yes. Beautiful. Was that the first time you have sold your art? You know, I did a show, a small show a couple of years ago just to kind of see. And I totally wasn't prepared, but we know that doesn't matter. You're never going to be prepared. So I tried. I sold a few things. And then I had gotten approached to paint live at the Minneapolis Home and Garden Show where they allowed me to display my work. So I didn't really expect to sell anything. But yeah, six large paintings, originals, and then 20 small ones. Unreal.

5:33Amazing. So one of the things that we have in the Honest Art Society is we have this forum, excuse me, and we post our wins. And so a win can honestly be that we just applied to a show because that's scary enough, you know, to do. And we celebrate that. But that's how I knew about you selling your pieces. So congratulations. Thank you. Amazing. Okay. So let's get into it. I know you've got some questions. Hopefully I've got some answers. I know you do.

6:04Yeah.

Business Questions

6:05So let's get into it. Is there something, a challenge or a question that you're currently facing that you would like some support with? Yeah. I think that one of the main things I'm struggling with right now is I always feel like I need to paint this big series and have, you know, a huge thought process behind everything that I'm painting. They all need to go together. But, you know, when you're starting out, you, for me, I'm like, but I kind of want to just paint and sell.

6:35And I think that's the main thing right now that has me tripping up. Like, is it true that you need to have a full series or can you paint one offs and say, here it is? Yeah. Do you want it? That's such a great question. It's so funny to me. You can't imagine how many times I get these questions. And I'll get them in the On Start Society or I'll get them in DMs or something. And the answer is exactly what your intuition is telling you, Molly. The answer is you can do both.

7:05But I, I, I have found that anytime I have started a series, like I'm going to start, I'm going to paint a series, a floor abstract floral series, right? I'm going to, I'm so excited. Like I, the excitement is in my bones, it's in my body and I can't wait. And, and I'm like, I finally got what I want to paint and I'll do two paintings and I'll be like, okay, I'm done. Like I've, I've done it. And I'm like, I don't want to do that anymore.

7:35And so I think in those moments, we really do need to listen to that. Okay. And we just keep going. So there are times where I, where I am intentionally releasing a series, but the series I have found if the, if the topic is too narrow, meaning only floral, right? If that topic is too narrow, then I'll get bored and we'll decide I'm not doing that series.

8:05But then on the other hand, I will say, um, I'm going to release a collection, like say at the holidays and I start, you know, back in, I will start in September to release a collection in November, but I'll, I'll make sure it's like smalls. So that in itself is a collection, right? Yes. And those can look like whatever they need to look like, as long as you're being true to yourself and honest in that moment, the collection is going to come together, right?

8:42Yes. Yes. You're so right. And isn't it funny? Like, I don't know, every single time you have to reconvince yourself of that, but that's, that's a great point that it sometimes matters and sometimes it doesn't. It's just up to me maybe to have the discernment to know which, which time is the best time. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. And I just want to add one caveat. Um, sometimes releasing a collection is a business strategy rather than, rather than a creative strategy. And here's what I mean by that.

9:13Yeah. Um, there are certain times of the year and there are certain artists that also do the same thing where I know I'm not painting any more smalls for the year. Okay. So the strategy is paint a bunch of them and to a bunch, meaning is relative, right? Yeah. What's a bunch to me is a bunch not to somebody else, but paint, um, quite a lot of them and then promote them as it's being done.

9:43So let's talk about like a holiday collection, right? Okay. Or this could be done. Like I know one artist that does this three times a year and that's all he does. He releases a collection three times a year. That's it. And during those, let's say three months where he's creating the collection or the four months that he's creating the collection, he has got, uh, a camera set up in the corner and he's, um, capturing the process of this stuff.

10:14You know, this stuff, who, like, I just feel like I just turned into a sixth grade boy. This stuff. This stuff. This stuff we're doing back here. You know, hey, I get it though. I, stuff kind of is a way to encompass it because it's so much. Oh my Lord. Okay. So, um, anyway, he will record his process of painting his art. That's so much more eloquent. And, and he will post it.

10:45And I know that's one of the things we're going to talk about with you, but he will, he will post this process. And as it's being created, he's creating excitement and he's creating FOMO within his community. And they, and he's telling everybody like on social media, these are going to be released on this date, but only to my email lists. Right. So he's, this is a business strategy. Okay. Okay. And that's what he does. And only three times a year, he releases these collections and that's his process.

11:19That doesn't have to be every artist process. Right. So that's what I'm saying. It's kind of a business decision for me. I want to, I get so excited when I paint a painting, like I can't wait to put it out there in the world. I am so excited. So to wait till, to only do this three times a year, it doesn't feel fun to me. I'm like, are you kidding? Look what I just did. Holy shit. This is like, how did this happen? I need to be yapping to everybody.

11:49Yeah. I got to tell everybody. Right. And the excitement is in the fact that we all know it was bad at one point. Like we all look at that painting and like that went through the fugglies. So hardcore. And I was so self-deprecating in those times. And then this is what happened. That's the celebration. Right. That I, that this art piece of art came together in spite of me. And therefore, look at, holy shit.

12:21Look at this. I earned the chance to show you this. Yes. And I don't want to. You don't know what I went through to get here. Exactly. And I don't want to wait a whole nother quarter to show you that just because of some business decision. So anyway, it can be. What a fascinating way to think about it though. Thank you for that perspective. It's just a tool in your toolbox when it makes sense. Okay. Absolutely. It's just a tool and it's a tool that works very well for a lot of artists in releasing those, those collections.

12:51Hey, real quick while I've got you, I just want to tell you, I know that being an artist can be a lonely job and filled with self-doubt. So artists need other artists and we need painting techniques and the skills to sell our art along with it. So that's why I created the best membership group of artists on the planet called the Honest Art Society. And in it, you receive several coaching calls a month with me so that you can get your questions answered on business and on your art.

13:22You get monthly trainings from art techniques to marketing and business. You get exclusive art critiques as well as exclusive discounts on workshops and courses. And all of this is for only $47 a month and you can cancel at any time. So if you're ready to make your best art ever, along with a great community of amazing artists, I hope you'll join me in the Honest Art Society and you can find out more at the link in the show notes. So speaking of business, business questions.

Social Media Strategy

13:54Yes, I was just reading my business question here. Yeah. Do you have a business related question? So I think the biggest thing I'm struggling with, or not necessarily struggling, I just want to know your thoughts on as an emerging artist, especially today, there are so many options of how to scale your business. And I think that maybe I'm just making this up in my head, but I think abstract is hard to figure out where it lives.

14:24And so for me, I'm like, I loved the opportunity to do live painting at the Home and Garden Show and I want to find more opportunities to do that. However, obviously, I need to have some other things in the meantime. So my question is, you know, social media is a little bit tumultuous, but is that where I start and just get a really good plan on get your social media ready, rolling and good to go and then figure out what's next? Like, is that the end all be all?

14:55Or where do you think is a good place for an emerging artist like me to start to really just go to market and put yourself out there? Such a great question. An amazing question. First of all, I want to say that you're right. There are so many seemingly endless things that we can do, which, and that can get really, really overwhelming. So, but there are two things that are non-negotiable. And I know you've heard me talk about this in the Honest Arts Society.

15:27The two things are social media and your email list. And then we're going to go on from there. Let me tell you why. The reason why every emerging artist needs to be present on social media is because new research shows that over 90% of us now are researching brands, which means artists, that we are researching brands and artists. We go to social media first. So there was a time where we went to Google and we typed in a name and we were like,

16:03you would try to find somebody's website, right? Yes. But now research shows over 90% of us, if it's like, Molly, like when we were together, I think this probably happened. And we're, you know, sharing, have you, do you know this artist? Do you know that artist? What, where were we going? Instagram, TikTok. Absolutely. Yes. Like you're just on there instant. You don't even have to ask, where can I find them? It's just where. And I think, I think you're right, but it's so weird that every, I feel like there's a

16:34new discourse around social media where people are like, nah, and I'm like, but, but I think we have to, we have to adapt to how it's adapting and it's scary, but I don't know why I've just been resisting. So that's good to hear. Well, we're going to get into that. I can't wait to get into that. Um, but so here's the other piece of it, Molly, is that, uh, that's not just the consumer that's going to social media to find, um, artists. It's also, um, galleries.

17:05So galleries, art consultants, and designers are also going to social media. In fact, uh, I follow this one gallery. I can't remember where they're located, but the gallery owner was, uh, was displaying work that like, it was on, on the, that was the real displaying the work from these artists. And he said, I found every one of these artists on Instagram. Wow. So it's not, it's not optional anymore.

17:36Right. Amazing. And, and the great thing is it's free now it's free in terms of costs, but it's not free in terms of time. And that's where we're getting, we're tending to get tripped up by it. The other thing is that we think that we have to have this perfectly coiffed, you know, profile sort of thing to on social media. And that is the opposite because of AI, because AI has everything so perfect.

18:07We want real, we want real people doing real. There's a, uh, artists and, uh, she was in studio elite. Well, she was in the studio elite, uh, uh, cohort before, and she just, just did this thing. She had a big painting in the background and she, I was, she was walking by going, you know, just walking past it, just kind of dancing like that. And I was like, yes, finally, something so real.

18:38Who cares? Yes. I think, I think I realized recently that like being cringe is cool. Like if you don't care enough what other people think of it to just have freedom, if anybody thinks that's weird, they're simply jealous that you're just unleashed enough to not care. So, uh, and here's the other part of that painting behind her. She totally is. She totally is. Here's the other piece of it is that, um, and I, oh my God, when, when you get these,

19:09these trolls that come in, you know, so that's one of the reasons people are scared of social media is because they're afraid of the trolls and that's real. I get it. But here's the thing to remember. You will never be criticized by someone doing more than you. It'll only be the guy with his hands in his pants in the basement of his mother's house who is like, you know, butthurt that he's not selling his art from the basement.

19:43Right. That's the only person that's going to be doing that. So when I'm having a day, I will clap back at those people. Sometimes I'll just delete it. Everybody do their own thing. But most people are, are like nervous about social media because of that. And I think, I agree with you. I think we got to be cringe. I think we just got to do our own thing. It's basically just that nobody could ever be meaner to me than I've already been to myself. Right. So like, what do I have? Like nothing you say is going to be like, whoa, like I've probably said that and fought

20:17that thought. So you're right. Like, okay. Wow. Exactly. And that's the thing is that because we have said those things to ourselves, that's why they hurt because there's a part of us that believes they might be right, that it might be true. I always say this is like, it's like, if somebody said to me, you are so purple, I'd be like, no, I'm not. So like, try harder.

20:48No, I'm not. Yeah. So there's no part of me that believes I'm purple. So there's no part of me that can take offense to it. It's the, it's when somebody says something that we believe might be a little true, that's when it really hurts our feelings. So just remember though, like, I would never say something mean to an emerging artist. I would never, because I have been there and I know how hard it is to do that. Right. And so you won't ever be criticized by someone doing more than you.

21:19Powerful. And you're right. Oh, okay. Now the second piece, the two I said were non-negotiables. One was social media and the other is an email list. I always get pushback from people about the email list. They're like, I don't want to do it. And there's lots of reasons. Most people think nobody wants an email from me. I've got too many emails in my inbox. I don't want to be that person. I don't want to annoy people. I don't have anything to say. I don't know how to set it up. I don't, you know, there's so many, I don't know.

21:51And I don't want to be that person. Here's the thing though. Social media is great. It's great for getting reach and getting like. Top of the funnel. Exactly. Top of the funnel. But where we really sell is through email. Okay. Those are the people that, and you've heard me say this, those are the people that saw your work, saw you hopefully act in a fool on social media. And they're like, that girl, I want to be in her world.

22:24I love her art and I love who she is. And I'm going to get on her email list. Once they're on your email list, they think the sun shines out your ass. So when you release a collection, they are primed and they are ready to pick up what you're putting down. So an email list is so important. If you don't know how to start an email list. Can I tell you, I got, I have 30 people on an email list from that live show. I just don't know what to email them, Jodi.

22:56Okay. Perfect. That's the thing. So you're right. I'm like, I have these people who are clearly interested, but, but if I don't have a series, what do they, so I'm, I'm there, I'm bought in, but what do I say to them? Great question. If it's not a series, especially. We were just working on this in Studio Elite last, yesterday doing this. Okay. So here's what you do. You get your calendar out and it, consistency is more important than anything. Okay. Like consistency is more important than quantity, right? So if you just send one email out a month, beautiful.

23:29Right. It's just what you can do consistently. So if you look at a calendar one year, right, this, this, um, episode is coming out in May. So, uh, think about what is happening each month. And if you don't know what is happening each month, then you can, you know, Google that shit. Um, but like, like I think about June and I'm like, okay, what am I doing in June? Um, I'm traveling so I can share some of my adventures in traveling. Um, June, I also think of as pride month and love pride, love celebrating all of my, my pride

24:06folks. Um, I can talk about that. Um, July comes around what's happening in July. What are, what are some things that people are doing again? Like just take it month by month and okay. And, and write that down. So write it down somewhere. Yeah, no, I was going to say, I need to write this down actually.

24:28So you're going to take it month by month, write a topic down and then schedule the day that you want that email to come out. So let's say you want it to come out, uh, every first Wednesday of the month. Okay. Put that on your calendar, then back it up by two or three days. And so that means that the Sunday or Monday before you're writing that email, don't make it complicated. Don't make it too long. Don't try to sound like a fancy artist.

24:59Just sound like yourself and, and just put what you got in there. Add a few pictures, post which some paintings that either that just sold or that you're wanting to sell the link in there and you're good to go. Easy, easy, easy. And you stay top of mind people that way. Okay. So once again, it's not as complicated as I'm making it seem in my brain is what you're saying, Jodi. Exactly. Exactly. So that now, okay. So these are the two non-negotiables, social media and email.

25:31So now what we want to do is look at how do you get your art in front of people, IRL in real life. Yes. So if you, if anybody heard the, um, episode I did with Jennifer Cup, who is also in the Honest Art Society, uh, she talked about for seven years, she was posting and posting on and that nothing sold and she was getting really frustrated. And then she did an exhibition or an art fair. I think it was, and sold everything, everything that she was probably like, what?

26:06Yes. Well, the key is add in at least two or three times a year, something where you get your art in front of people. There is nothing like it. And as you experience when people saw your art personally, it makes a much bigger impact. And so what happens is that is the confidence that we need because when we're sitting behind our computer or our phone and we're posting, that's going that way. And maybe you'll get some likes and stuff and that'll come back to you, but there's nothing

26:40like getting your art in front of people and getting that feedback in real time. Even if we're, it was, even if we don't sell anything, that's feedback.

26:51Absolutely. Because, you know, I, I kind of didn't know this version, this modern version of my art, if it was, I mean, I, you know, you have your friends who support you on social media and I have like 550 followers. It's okay. But you don't know until you're in person and people are whipping their head around to be like, whoa, what is that? Yeah. And so I think that finally made me click, like, this is resonating with people. I can't sit here and be like, nobody, don't do that starving artist thing that you talk like I, I'm done with that.

27:23But that's the thing. It's like, remember that though, in your basement moments, in your lonesome moments that, okay, well, if you need to feel that energy again, then Molly go maybe apply for something. Yes. Get out there. Okay. But it's the, it's the thing that stops everyone, including me. I'm not a man to this at all, but the thing that stops us is fear of rejection. We are, what if we apply to something and then we're rejected, then that validates our own fears. Like I'm not good enough.

27:53And so that fear will keep us from doing it. And the only thing we got to do, I can tell you is that fear is never going away. No, it never goes away. You just got to keep putting yourself out there. I always suggest reading, um, Jamie Kern Lima's book, Worthy. She, um, want to fight fear in a new way. She, you know, she talks about fear as, um, that it's just not being the right, you know, if you're rejected, it just means that what those people weren't meant to see your sparkle. I mean, it's just the way she talks about it is so beautiful.

28:26Um, so that's what keeps people from doing it. Yeah. I'm going to read that book then too. Oh, it's so good. It's so good on my list. Yeah. So do you feel like there are some mindset things that are holding you back?

Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

28:40Speaking of fear. Yes. I think that, you know, I know that you 22 or 23 years, you've been doing this now, right? And I always remember your story of how it started where you're kind of like, wait, what this year you want? Okay. Okay. And then it just started happening. Right. Yeah. And I think what I'm having a hard time with, cause you know, you were, you were like my age when that happened. Yeah. 35. And yes.

29:10And so what I'm having a hard time with right now is, you know, I've been doing this for five years. Right. And just kind of over the last year, I've been starting to put my stuff out there, but I worry because I didn't go to art school and I know I can get past that a little bit. A lot of people didn't, but I worry that I don't have credibility. I don't have street cred yet. And so I have all this stuff to share, but you just feel a little bit like, well, who am I? Like, who am I?

29:40Nobody. I know people care, but I think I'm having imposter syndrome really just being like, okay, but you're, you're young. You didn't, you know, that's, that's my big catch up right now, which I think is common. It is so, so common. And I struggled with the exact same thing. Molly, I would say for the first five years, I still do occasionally struggle with a little bit of imposter syndrome, but that's just because, you know, new levels, new devils. That's the thing you have to keep rising to the occasion. A hundred, a hundred percent.

30:11So, um, but the speaking specifically to, I don't feel like I have credibility because I didn't go to art school. Um, I want you to keep in mind that most of the greats never went to art school, never went to art school. That's why I teach, like when you, when we do workshops together, like I teach the four elements of fine art, because that's basically what they're teaching in art school. They're teaching you about composition. They're teaching you about color cohesiveness. They're teaching you about, you know, all of the, and they're, but what they are not teaching

30:46you so much is how to find your voice. Totally. Right. And so that's that, like, just keep doing that. Just keep working and practicing to find your voice. One of the things that held me up when, like for imposter syndrome is I didn't know how to draw because I didn't go to art school. Right. I didn't take any drawing classes. And then I heard again and again that there, people were saying, well, even with abstract art, you need to know how to draw. And so finally, I bet it was probably took me eight or 10 years before I finally bit the

31:22bullet and I took some proper drawing classes at the Glassell School of Art in Houston, like legit, a legit organization. And so I learned to draw. I took two semesters, learned to draw, like I couldn't even believe it. And then I went back to my abstract work and kept drawing stick figures. So the moral of this story is nobody is the boss of you.

31:55You can, if you think about Basquiat and the way he drew, it is so real and raw and childlike and it resonates. So I also love, you know, realism and where, where people really, really, they're great at drawing, but that should not be the deciding factor on whether we decide we're artists. We are artists because we are born artists. We are born creative. Have you heard me tell that story about when they, there was some research where they wanted

32:30to track kids from basically preschool through seventh grade. Okay. So they went into kindergarten classrooms and they said, all right, everyone here who's an artist, raise your hand. Molly, a hundred percent of the artists raised their hand, right? Okay. And then they followed these same kids to third grade. They said, everyone who's an artist, raise your hand. Half, half the kids. And then they went to seventh grade and only one child raised their hand. Same kids, but through the course of all of this time, either for me, I self-selected out

33:08that I was not creative and I wasn't an artist. And for other people, it's, you know, society kind of your STEM, your, your, this is what you're good at. That's this. So they select us out. The imposter syndrome comes from forgetting who we are. Oh yeah. Remember? Yeah. Uh, kindergarten Molly who raised her hand and kindergarten Molly would have shoved her seat back, jumped up and down and raised her hand.

33:39Dancing on the table. Yes. You're right. So if we can just remember that we were born to do this. And if you are called every artist, I want you to hear this. If you are called to create art, there is someone in the world who is needing what you have to offer and you get to be the beneficiary of what it feels like to create art. Like, look, look at it as a mic drop moment right now.

34:14Okay. Like, yes, yes. And you talk about the faucet concept that I love so much. And I go back to that and it's that same thing. Like, stop worrying so much about the flow and just let it happen. Don't block it. Don't turn it off, dude. That's right. Yeah. Quit. Get out of your head. Drop into your heart. Have some fun. Play. Or let's be honest. Having some fun right now as artists can feel like, oh, no, no.

34:46I've got to, you know, I've got to slice some canvas is what feels more fun. Fun, you know, just because there's so much frustration, you know, and anger. And that's important too. Do that. Don't think, well, I need to make pretty things so I can't be raw and I can't say fuck on the canvas or whatever, right? No, you can. You absolutely can. And it's important that you do it. Yes. You're right. You're right, Jodi. I love being right.

35:17Being right is my favorite. It's maybe that honest art thing you talk about every so often. Exactly. Okay. Let's do one more question. And the question is, so good. Okay. What decision are you avoiding or what clarity do you need right now, Molly? Okay. Let me, I think it sounds so silly too. But the thing I'm hesitating on is just making my artwork archive page live and really, truly

35:55just being like, here it is. Here is me. And I don't have to have it all figured out. Like I, I, I tend to do that thing where I'm almost there and I've sold and I've done all this stuff, but I'm, I don't know why I can't just press, press go. I, I think I'm almost, it's, I'm afraid of what it could become in a good way. Yeah. And I'm afraid of what it wouldn't become. It's like, I'm in this beautiful bubble where people are excited about what I'm doing, asking

36:30about my stuff, buying things from me, but I'm not like a real entity yet. And I don't know why I can't claim it. Such a good question for, for people who are, um, just to clarify what Molly is talking about is in artwork archive, which we'd love so much, um, artworkarchive.com. Um, it's an inventory management system is what they call it, but it's just so, so, so much more than that. Yeah. Um, but there is a place where you can, uh, hit public profile and then now everybody gets

37:01to see your, all of your work. So that's what Molly is talking about is to literally put her work out into the world for sale. And I, this hesitation is so, so real because we will often say, I want this thriving art career, but there's something that's holding us back from doing that. And usually it's because who am I going to have to become in order to have that?

37:38Yeah. And that's uncertainty. And that's really, really scary. Um, because we have to, we have to step into ourselves in a whole new way. And honestly, we have to, we're making ourselves really vulnerable. Yeah. Like turning, putting our art out into the world is like turning our skin inside out. Yes. And it's like, but no, those came through me and from me.

38:08And, and if I, if those are rejected, then my whole essence is rejected. Mm-hmm. Right. So that's usually where that fear comes from. All I can tell you is do it anyway. Okay. It's not going to go away. Okay. Do it anyway. Okay. Because I know your work, Molly. I want the whole world to see your art. Yeah. And we're going to put your handle, uh, your Instagram handle on here.

38:41Yes. So if you don't post, we're all going to know now. So you're going to be like, okay, well, I thought you said Molly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where is it? And so the people that are now going to follow you, they're going to be like, where's your new piece? Where's your new stuff? Right. So there's nothing like peer pressure to get you out there. Well, and specifically from you too, Jodi, because I have to say in your, when I was in Santa Fe with you for that week, I will, I will never forget. And it's in my application. You said three words to me that changed me.

39:15Okay. You literally came up to me. You could tell I was spinning. I was just like, you could see the wheels turning. I was stressed out for no reason. Okay. You came up to me and literally put a hand on my shoulder and said, settle down, bitch. And I was like, I think I transcended in that moment, Jodi. I was like, she's right. And ever since then, I was like, settle down. I hear you spinning around in my brain.

39:45Anytime I'm getting in a tizzy. And it was so, it's true though. Is it not? Well, it makes me, first of all, it makes me sound so mean. No, no, Jodi. No, that's why I want to tell you, you, you are the most, you are the person who can say that to people and it resonates because you have such a loving way of letting people get out of their body and out of their head and being like, hey, you're okay. It's just art. You're safe to have fun here. It's not that serious. That's right.

40:15Just chill out. And it was such a beautiful thing because especially for people like me, I think if you're an artist, you have to be ready to hear that harsh criticism. And that wasn't even harsh criticism, but that, that primed me in a way where it was like, yes, I needed that tough love to be like, and chill out, have fun. Because otherwise the, the tenseness that you feel is going to translate and you'll never, and you'll never be able to unleash yourself. Absolutely.

40:46There's no freedom in what you were experiencing. That's what I wanted you to have, like was just to experience the freedom of making your honest art. And then, because the brush strokes would, would be tighter, like everything would be tighter that it would feel contrived in some way. So that's, that was, that was, and it was beautiful to watch your work evolve throughout the workshop. That was very, very cool. Well, it's a testament to you and how impactful your words and your guidance are for, for real.

41:19Thank you. That's very kind. Well, I'm, I'm so lucky because I get to see you, like, like the workshop ended and sometimes people, we all go our separate ways, but I know I get to see you in the honest art society. And so it's nice. And every time you pop up, I'm like, oh my God, I know her. I know that's the thing. I'm like, we're all besties in here now. Cause like so many of us have hung out in, in real life that, that has been such a through line for me too. Like honest art society is, it was, it's exactly what I needed to just keep that spirit alive and, and keep it going for myself.

41:50That's amazing. Well, um, thanks for, for doing this and for asking your questions publicly. Um, I know you're helping so many people through this and obviously if you continue to need support, you know, where to find me in the honest art society, we do the coaching every week. So, um, anyway, uh, tell people where they can find you, Molly. Mm-hmm. Molly Wyatt art on Instagram and Tik TOK. Those are my two main things, but soon to be on our work archive. Yes. Yes. And so what we, what Molly doesn't know she's going to do yet, but I'm going to help her

42:24with this. So when she gets, she has that public profile from artwork archive, you can put that link in your bio, Molly in Instagram and Tik TOK, and people can go and click right there and they can go see your art and buy it by the way they want to do. Exactly. Yes. Um, it was such a pleasure. Thank you again. My pleasure. Thank you. And I'll see you in the honest art society and to everyone else, if you are listening to this, it would really help us out.

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