Show 66 - Supernova in the East V

2:57What you're about to hear is part five of what we can now confidently say is going to be a six-part series on Japan and the war in Asia and the Pacific Theater in the Second World War. If you didn't catch the earlier editions of this, you might want to. If you don't mind, or if you already did, well, then without further ado, part five of Supernova in the East. December 7th, 1941. A date which will live in infamy. The events. That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. The figures. Not quite the more man, the more humanity.

3:29From this time and place. I take pride in the words, Ich bin ein violiner. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall. 8-6 to Manhattan, urgent. Marine 6. Tower 2 has had a major explosion. The deep questions. I welcome this kind of examination because people have got to know whether or not their president should cook. Well, I'm not a crook. If we dig deep in our history and our documents, and remember that we are not descended from the fear of man. It's hardcore history. But I'm a field cop. We left off this story talking about a Japanese advance on the second largest island

4:02in the world, New Guinea. Which is part of the main theater of conflict in mid-1942 in the Pacific, New Guinea, and the Solomon Islands. Specifically at this time, Guadalcanal, where the Marines have just landed in strength. And for quite a while in 1942, really the rest of 1942, this will be the focus in this part of the world. Now, we should not forget certain other things. The Japanese are fighting in China. Have been since before this war started. Will be fighting there till the end. That's never going away. And the Chinese get little credit in most countries for tying down the great bulk of Japanese forces and resources.

4:37The Japanese are also fighting in Burma, what's now Myanmar, against Indian forces, British forces, some Burmese forces, and other friends. Chinese forces too, by the way, in Burma. And they're fighting Australians and Americans in the New Guinea-Solomon Islands area. When last we spoke, the Japanese had just started their advance over the mountains, overland, from their bases in northern New Guinea, to try to take this important city on the south side of New Guinea, known as Port Moresby. I said it was Port Moresby, which is silly because it's spelled exactly as it sounds. And as this advance begins, the Japanese begin doing what they've done all along, which is sort of baffling to

5:13most observers. They're committing atrocities, horrible atrocities. They love beheading for some reason. And they've done the killing prisoners in Rabaul before this, the beheading, the civilian killings. And it's one of those things that sort of boggles the modern mind, because you can't help but ask the salient question, why? Why is this happening? How does this benefit anybody, right? Isn't this counterproductive? Well, if you look at the entire war, this was a fascination on the parts of the world when the war was over. Not just the war crimes trials, but studies, experiments, surveys, all sorts of psychological

5:44evaluations and post-war examinations of, you know, human conduct and behavior and orders and obedience to other people's orders were something that was highly focused upon because it is somewhat stunning. It seems a little bit easy to just say, well, you know, human beings can be terrible to each other. And it doesn't apply in some situations. I mean, for example, in Europe, the situation is much easier to boil down to leadership. I mean, the Nazi regime in Germany ordered these things. Don't have to get too complicated. You go look at things like the Ober Salzburg speeches and what Hitler was

6:16saying we're going to have to do to the polls, the orders before the attack of the Soviet Union about having to sort of throw civilized norms aside. Comments like, you know, Genghis Khan is remembered as a statesman today, so it really doesn't matter. I mean, the end result is how you'll be judged, not how you got there. And in the documents, and when you read this stuff, and this doesn't apply, by the way, to how they treated the Jews in the Holocaust because that had nothing to do with practicality, unless you want to say that,

6:47you know, it was revenge. Hitler said, well, if the Jews unleash another war on Europe, they'll be sorry. And boom, maybe that's what he's doing there. But a lot of this atrocious stuff was done or at least justified on practical grounds, right? I mean, take the way the Germans treated civilians in villages where partisan activity was nearby. If somebody took a shot at German soldiers, they'd line up civilians in the village and kill them. And of course, the goal wasn't to just be cruel. It was to try to deter them through terror, something that is generally frowned upon today.

7:19It's called collective punishment. And it's funny because everybody believes in collective punishment to one degree or another. I mean, you ever been in a classroom where the teacher's got a couple kids talking, you know, amongst the 30 students and says, if the talking doesn't stop, all 30 students have to stay after school. Or how about the football coach who says, if, you know, anybody starts, you know, fooling around, everybody's going to have to run laps. I mean, that's a way to sort of get the group to enforce behavior, right? The idea is if the Germans line up a bunch of civilians in a village and kill them for every

7:54partisan activity, the other villagers will go, stop this. We're the ones paying the price for this. So the idea may be completely flawed. In fact, evidence seems to show that in the Second World War, German atrocious attitudes toward the civilian population to stop partisan activity actually leads to more partisan activity. It's long been understood that the Germans were welcomed in some places as virtual liberators when they took over areas that had been occupied by the Red Army, and they turned those people against them by their cruelty. This is not a Second World War thing, of course, though.

8:26I mean, in the First World War, go look at the rape of Belgium. It's based on a similar sort of thing, killing civilians in villages in an effort to deter partisans. What's going on in Asia is a different story and much harder to pin down. I mean, as far as I can tell, and I could be wrong about this, I can see like three levels of responsibility here. What's going on with Japanese soldiers and this cruelty could be happening at the soldier level, which is an excuse that the Japanese sometimes use. I mean, in the Nanking situation in China, it was sort

8:59of a, well, you know, boys will be boys kind of excuse. Yes, the soldiers did things that were out of control, but, you know, can you blame them? It was a very hard fight to take the city. They'd lost a lot of buddies. You know, sometimes people lose their minds a little bit. You know, maybe a lack of institutional control, but this was not a deliberate effort to wipe people out. That would be the excuse. And listen, soldiers have been misbehaving since caveman time, so there's some validity to that,

9:30maybe. Of course, there's no excuse for the loss of institutional control, but we'll play with that as one of the possible levels that atrocities happen at. The actual ground level where the soldiers are, right? Then there's a high-level responsibility possibility, which is what's going on in Europe, right? You could say, listen, the emperor and the major leaders decided they wanted to have a, you know, iron fist, and this would be very in keeping with sort of fascist intellectual doctrine, right? An iron fist sort of strength, and we will crush dissent, and we will teach these people, you know, that

10:06sort of thing. And that can be true, too. But where we left the story was in discussing an affidavit from an Australian officer that was introduced in the post-war war crimes trials in the Asia-Pacific theater. It was recounted in Lord Russell of Liverpool's book, The Knights of Bushido, where in New Guinea, Australian troops were being atrociously killed. I think we used, as an example, a Samuel Elliot Morrison, I think it was, incident where he said some Australians had been tied to a tree, tortured and killed, and some Japanese soldier who spoke English

10:40had put a placard above the head of one of them that said he took a long time to die. Well, how do you think that's going to make the Australian soldiers react when they capture a Japanese soldier? Well, according to this affidavit, that's exactly what the Australian officer had done. A Japanese soldier had fallen into their hands, which is unusual, and the guy spoke English, which is a double rarity. And the Australian soldier who gave the affidavit says they took the Japanese soldier to the Australian corpses, not

11:12the ones tied to a tree, but some other ones, and basically said, why did you do this? And his excuse was the officers ordered us to. And his rationale was that he says, and these are my words, but this is what he essentially points out, that they were trying to create an intentional tit-for-tat retribution cycle of atrocities as a way to discourage their own troops from surrendering. I mean, that didn't happen very often anyway, right? But, you know, the thinking might be it never hurts to

11:44have an insurance policy. I mean, if some Japanese soldier was thinking about dishonoring himself, dishonoring his family, dishonoring his unit, dishonoring his branch of the service, dishonoring his country, well, we'll just add this little caveat. You're not going to spend a couple of years in some POW camp and be repatriated to your country. You're not even going to be put up against a wall and shot. You're going to be treated the same way we treated their captives. So you might as well take the honorable way out and kill yourself.

12:17We should also point out that the Japanese cultural viewpoints on suicide are complex and nuanced. They'd always had more of an embracing of that than many other cultures. But an attempt to sort of meld fascism with traditional Japanese cultural beliefs made it even more of an imperative. And the emperor's orders to his troops basically said, you're not to fall into the enemy's hands. And maybe making sure that the conditions were such, and I think we called it diabolical on the part of

12:47the officers, if this were true, making sure that the conditions were such that the Japanese soldiers would face torture and atrocities and then be killed at the hands of the enemy made it a lot easier to just say, it'd be better to slit my stomach, shoot myself, or hold a grenade up to the side of my head and take the honorable way out. So in trying to figure out why the Japanese would be committing all these atrocities, it's still an open question. Seems counterproductive, doesn't it?

13:19There's one other aspect that might be worth introducing into here, though, and part of the fascination. In the fighting in New Guinea, there will be a Japanese soldier named Ogawa Matsutsugu, and he will write a book after the war called Human Beings and Extremists, the Island of Death, New Guinea. I tried to get that book in English. It doesn't exist. Excerpts from that book we've already talked about in the show. It's called Japan at War, an Oral History by Haruku Taya Cook and Theodore F.

13:52Cook. And in it, Matsutsugu talks about Japanese training methods, and I wonder how much these training methods contributed to how Japanese troops behaved. We'd said earlier, and using a line that was originally used for Jewish folks, I think, but it works wonderfully for all sorts of very distinct peoples on the planet. So using a line and converting it to the Japanese, we said that the Japanese are like everyone else, only more so. Well, every major military in the world has a process for turning their civilians into soldiers.

14:27Basic training, right? And, um, the Japanese versions of basic training in many respects paralleled those of other nations, except what Masatsugu says is when you actually got on the ground, in the field, in country, as they would have said in Vietnam, some of these officers and units took it upon themselves to go farther than most other armies went. He talks about what would be referred to in other places and times as blooding the troops. Masatsugu says that when he got to China, you know, in-country in that war, well, here's what he writes about

15:03what the officers made them do as part of sort of finishing their training. And again, try to imagine any other Allied army doing this, and there are photographs, by the way, in case you have doubts, and try to imagine how that might have some impact on how things actually turned out in the field. He writes, quote, I never really killed anyone directly. I shot my rifle so I might have hit somebody, but I never ran anyone through with my bayonet.

15:35In China, soldiers were forced to practice on prisoners, slashing and stabbing as soon as they arrived for training. Stab him, they'd order, indicating an unresisting prisoner. I didn't move. I just stood there. The platoon leader became enraged, but I just looked away, ignoring the order. I was beaten. I was the only one who didn't do it. The platoon leader showed them how, with vigor. This is how you stab a person, he said. He hit the man's skull and knocked him into a pit.

16:08Now, stab him. They all rushed over and did it. I'm not saying I determined it good or bad through reason. I just couldn't take the thought of how it would feel, running a man through with my bayonet. End quote. Considering the rarity of cameras in these scenes, it's interesting that there are a decent number of photographs of this actually occurring. Time Life actually published some during the war, and they are astounding to look at. No other military did this. No other major military did this.

16:41Does that create a different kind of soldier when this is how you train them? Even Japanese recruits showing up in veteran units would talk about, and I'm using the exact word here, how mean the veterans looked when they showed up. I mean, these are people who've been through a lot. I should also point out that James Jones, arriving on Guadalcanal, talked about seeing the Marines who've been fighting there for months, and he used the exact same word, mean.

17:12So in mid-1942, when these Japanese are starting their trek over the mountains, heading toward Port Moresby, and killing missionaries and their children and everything along the way, decapitating them, killing natives, this is all something that plays into the entire way that the Axis is viewed. They're just seen as somehow vicious. And atrocity-oriented and cruel in a way that even other armies, and listen, armies aren't generally known for good behavior in combat, but this was on a whole different level, and it created a level of hatred, as we said,

17:48in the Pacific, where if you interview or talk to Pacific veterans, getting to be a very hard thing to do now, there are fewer and fewer of them left, and actual combat troops, which is much, much, much different than other troops, they're different, and you can tell. They don't sound like Western front troops. They don't sound like soldiers from North Africa. They hate the enemy, and they hate them often, even to this day. And it's because of what they saw, and what they, the Japanese were cruel.

18:24And where that cruelty came from is hard to pin down. In New Guinea, when they start coming over the mountains in 1942, there is very little to stop them. And that's part of the heroic tale of the Kokoda Track, or the Kokoda Trail, which is one of the great moments in Australian military history. We should remember, there's only about 7 million Australians in the world at this time. So when we use numbers to talk about, you know, the size of forces and everything, remember how small

18:59this population is that they're drawing troops from. And we need to remember something more, as the Australians will point out, left, right, and center. Their army isn't there. Can you imagine having the Japanese that close to something like California, and having the army that would normally defend California on the other side of the world? Feel a little undefended, don't you? The Australian troops, who are part of their regular military, are fantastic. They are making up the tip of the Allied spear in North Africa against Rommel.

19:35Some of these units were at places like Tobruk. They were spending time in Syria, becoming excellent in that theater, learning all the little tricks of the trade, of fighting in the desert, which is a unique sort of an environment. So what happens when the Japanese start coming over the Kokoda track, threatening the northern outposts of Australia, threatening Australia itself? Well, they have a bunch of what in the U.S. we would call, like, National Guard troops or reservists. And this is where the lore of the defense of the

20:11Kokoda Trail sort of begins. We should also point out something else. It has all the literary makings of a great tale. The stage is set for drama, isn't it? I mean, anyone who's interested in military history knows that if you combine one part small area to defend, like, for example, a pass, with one part threat of national extinction, throw in a little pinch of outnumbered, outgunned, and overmatched with a little dash of what the Aussies call mateship, which,

20:43you know, military comradeship, and you have a recipe for national military immortality. And in the Australian military annals, the Kokoda track is right up there with Gallipoli for those moments that just move the Australian soul. Your minds want a little bit of, like Thermopylae in ancient Greece, right? The only difference is at Thermopylae, you have the Spartan king and 300 of his best guys and some extra people, too. But, you know, you have the cream of the crop keeping the enormous hordes of the enemy at

21:18bay. In New Guinea, it's people the regular military refer to contemptuously, usually, with the term Chacos, which is short for chocolate soldiers. That's what the Belgians were called in the First World War, often by the Germans. They figured they would just melt when exposed to heat. The Australian regulars generally look down upon these people who are going to be the first line of defense in New Guinea because, after all, if they were any good, wouldn't they be with the tip of the spear in

21:52North Africa or Syria or even places like Singapore that just fell or Burma? These guys are what's left and they have to hold down the fort against Japanese veterans who have steamrolled everything in their path up to this point? Good luck with that. Right? Beating the British at Singapore. Beating the Americans in the Philippines. Who's going to stop them in late July 1942? These reservists, these National Guardsmen, these Chaco soldiers? I mean, at least in another incident that's similar to this, you get a Thermopylae in ancient Greece.

22:28At least the Spartans had a king there with 300 of their best guys. Part of the lore in this case that makes it so immortal is that it's not Australia's best guys and they're the ones sort of by fate tasked with this endeavor. Now, what makes it so terrible, though, is where this endeavor has to take place because to those of us not in combat, it just seems like it would be awful to be facing bullets and shells and aircraft and

23:01all that stuff. But everyone in the war on the front lines, anyways, facing that. What makes one experience of a combat soldier different than another are the other variables, like how terrible a place you happen to be in while you're facing the bullets and shells in the aircraft. New Guinea is on par with fighting in the Arctic or the Sahara Desert or the Amazon rainforest. And that makes all the difference in the world. I mean, there was a phrase that I ran across in

23:35the materials that purports to be a saying that Japanese soldiers had. And it's basically a comparison of the various places a Japanese soldier might find themselves fighting in or stationed in, you know, based on their good or bad fortune. And the saying is that heaven is Java. Hell is Burma. But no one returns alive from New Guinea. That's why the title of Ogawa Matsutsugu's book was Human Beings in Extremis, The Island of Death, New Guinea.

24:05And Matsutsugu says that people would come simply to look at him after the war because they couldn't believe somebody got out. That's how few people did. Remember, the Japanese are going to have a name for all these people that get lost in the war and then come back years later, right, to view their own gravestones, to go back to their families only to find out that their wives have remarried and their children have grown up with

24:36other fathers. They call them the living war dead, which is a fabulously interesting phrase. How many people do you have to have falling into that category to have to come up with a special phrase for it? And they had this all over the war, we should say. I mean, there were Germans returning from Soviet POW camps years later. The difference is that people didn't get lost in any other theater anywhere near as often as they got lost

25:08in the Asia-Pacific theater and a lot of people got lost in New Guinea because when you look at the terrain and the circumstances of the people who had to fight there, it is wild. Mountains that are on par with the Alps, a jungle that is as heavy as you will find anywhere, rainfall that sometimes tops the more than 300-inch mark. It is never dry in New Guinea except on a few particularly dry spots. I think it's Matsutsugu who wondered if you could drown marching in rain that was that heavy.

25:43Famed military writer James Dunnigan said about the New Guinea fighting that it combined the worst aspects of jungle and mountain combat, and that's what makes the situation so memorable for the people who fought there. Yes, they remember the fighting as combat troops on every front remembered, but they added to that the equivalent, as one author said, of fighting in an obstacle course. I mean, the number of veterans that talk about these things like the phenomenon of the false crest, for example, is a little bit shocking and pretty universal.

26:18The false crest phenomenon relates to the fact that the soldiers who fought in New Guinea and Osmar White, who was a war correspondent there, said something to the effect that, you know, geography is impartial, so it affects both sides equally. The climbing that these people had to do straight up and straight down, mountain after mountain after mountain, broke the spirits of so many of them, and their stories of soldiers on both sides breaking down in tears

26:48and embracing each other when they finally get to the top of some of these mountains and then to look over the horizon which had been invisible to them before they got to the top and seeing more mountains just the same as far as the eye could see. In his book, Kokoda, which is a pretty, pretty classic book, author Peter Fitzsimmons tries to give a sense of what the terrain is like. And by the way, when he refers to what he calls the diggers of the 39th, he's talking about the

27:2339th Infantry Battalion and the diggers, that's a term for Australian soldiers, and he writes, quote, the diggers of the 39th, struggling up and over these godforsaken mountains, tried in vain to come to terms with their new surroundings. This was like no place they'd ever been before or even heard of. For many of them, particularly those from the often long, low, featureless plains of western Victoria, it was beyond their imagination. The mountains and ranges continued to the far horizons, to all points of the compass, valleys, crevices, and creases

27:58sprayed out seemingly at random, many of them filled with thick mist, and most of them the men knew, entirely uncharted by Europeans. Through it all, somehow, the track, he means the Kokoda Trail, the bloody track, poked and prodded its way roughly northward, sometimes gripping grimly to the side of a mountain above a raging torrent, sometimes going from rock to rock in that torrent for as long as a mile, sometimes glugging along beneath four feet of marsh,

28:28and often going up a slope which was just a few degrees off vertical to an absolute height at the top of the ranges of over 7,000 feet. Then, he writes, it wasn't just the gut-wrenching agony of reaching the top only to find that a dozen more hills exactly like it lay between them and sundown. It was the bone-jarring agony of the equally steep descent, torturing knees that had never been subjected to such punishment, and all the while risking falls that could maim a man for life.

29:02End quote. At the suggestion of some Australian listeners, I picked up Osmar White's book, Green Armor, and White was a war correspondent who essentially went with the troops and kept journals, and so it's a little like being with a travel correspondent, and as White finds something unusual, you discover it with him, and he talks about the primeval nature of the jungle in this area and how it is a little like Jurassic Park in the sense that it, he said at one point that 10,000 bombers could drop their load in one of these valleys he was

29:39talking about and it wouldn't leave a scar. If you sit still for a few hours, you get the feeling that you would start turning into a human Chia pet and start going all green and growing. In country like this, the help of the native peoples is vital. And the native peoples of New Guinea are fascinating, and the more I researched them, the more I started to fall in love a bit with my subject. There are about, and there were no surveys done, so who knows,

30:11about 2 million estimated people on the island at this point, and the diversity is impossible to describe because there's between 700 and 1,000 tribes of them. They speak between 700 and 1,000 different languages. A giant chunk, by the way, of the entire globe's language diversity comes from New Guinea, and the differences between one tribe of people and another tribe of people right next door could be stark. So trying to broad brush anything is a fool's errand. The people in Port Moresby, for example, who are in regular contact with Australia, very different than people's miles into

30:46the interior, which is a little like going into a time machine if you get off these trails because you start running into peoples that have little to no contact with the outside world. In fact, if you wanted to try to find some of the last remaining groups of human beings who have not been contacted by the outside world, you should have New Guinea on your short list. You should have some islands off the coast of India. That's always been a fruitful place to find some uncontacted tribes.

31:19The Amazon rainforest, always a good bet. Lots of things can hide in there. And New Guinea, even today, has tribes that, if not uncontacted, very little contact with the outside world. That is both fascinating and somewhat scary, and it makes the allied and Japanese armies look a little like one part John Wayne in a war film combined with one part pith helmet wearing great white explorer, kind of. One of the things to consider also is just like on Guadalcanal, there are few to no good maps.

31:51So the armies fighting here are flying blind, which is just one more reason you need the natives. And the indigenous peoples have always been important when outside powers are fighting in their territory. We always use the example of Apache scouts because that's one of my favorites. I mean, you want to go fight Apaches in the Dragoon Mountains? You better have Apache scouts or you're not going to find any. You want to go into Afghanistan and start going after tribesmen there?

32:21Better have some friendly tribesmen to help you. And in New Guinea, the one aspect that really gave the allies an advantage over time in this regard was they had more friendly indigenous peoples on their side than the Japanese did and they made a real effort to cultivate them. And they had to because remember the indigenous peoples of New Guinea are basically colonial subjects. I mean, there's a natural tendency to sometimes have a sense of resentment against the colonial occupiers, but pretty soon

32:52the Japanese for similar reasons to how the Germans would turn people in Eastern Europe that they had liberated against them when they could have had them on their side. The Japanese do quite a bit of that to the indigenous peoples of New Guinea and they will pay for that by not having their help and their help is such that the Australians will coin a term for the people there. Sounds a little bit politically incorrect today, but anyone who knows the story knows how much love and

33:24respect it is spoken with. The Australians called the indigenous peoples that helped them the fuzzy wuzzy angels. And many an Australian soldier and a bunch of Americans too owe their lives to the locals. We just spent all this time talking about the insane terrain, how wet it is, how crazy this footpath trod over millennia by the natives, how crazy it was for both Western troops and Japanese troops to try to negotiate these things. How on earth do you get the supplies, the massive amount of supplies that troops need to fight

34:00to them through this? It's not, there's no bulldozers making roads. The stuff for the most part has to come in on the backs of other human beings and the allies will contract in 1942 alone to use 32,000 natives as the equivalent of a human transport chain. You can airdrop some stuff and there is an air base, a small air base in Kokoda which is a prime strategic objective but you absolutely can't survive without the help of these natives.

34:30Not just as we said bringing the food in but if this track, this Kokoda track is so unbelievably hard on soldiers, what is it like to try to get wounded men from the front lines back to a place where you can treat, oh I don't know, like a blown off limb? the natives bring them down, a native on each corner of a cot carrying the wounded man, sometimes jumping from rock to rock to rock in streams. I mean, this is a story of human endurance and you can see

35:05why the Australians just sit there in awe of what was achieved here. The conditions were heartbreaking and trying beyond belief. Now, what it isn't is an affair that you can sit there and put a big map up on the board and show these giant outflanking maneuvers and big arrows pointing everywhere although that's not stopping MacArthur of course from doing press conferences down in Australia showing that that's exactly what he's doing here but part of the way I want to talk about the whole upcoming war especially these island campaigns

35:40is to try to acknowledge the sameness of the experience for the soldiers fighting on the ground. For them, there's not that much difference because the war itself has nothing to do with generals for them and colonels and majors and captains as one Australian veteran pointed out Kokoda was a straight up corporal's war. That's because when you're out on some trail on patrol there is no general there with you. I love the way one of these squad leaders quoted in Eric Bergerid's book and I think it's one of

36:15the best I think I've said it's one of the best I've ever read for the nitty-gritty ground level stuff of what fighting in the Pacific was like touched with fire the land war in the South Pacific. He quotes a U.S. squad leader explaining sort of the difference between what it's like you know at these higher levels where the 17 to 25 human beings it takes to support every combat man at the front line what it's like for them at a war level and what it's like for the guy who's the squad leader and

36:52the people who are in his squad. Bergerid quotes this American squad leader but this is exactly how it was for the Australians too as saying quote the squad leader a corporal or sergeant is the man who sees that the assault orders are executed reams and reams of paper are used to write orders from the highest authority down telling everyone what to do and how to do it. They have predictable phrases take and occupy assault and capture operations orders annexes to the operations orders etc.

37:25The squad leader never sees the reams of paper consisting of brilliant orders written by officers who've attended every war college in the world. The annexes to the orders cover everything from battery voltage in handheld radios to the rolls of toilet paper that will be available. These orders and annexes are sent to the war colleges, the archives, and the big file in the sky but the snuffy squad leader doesn't care a tinker's damn about them. When push comes to pull, he says, the lieutenant or platoon leader tells his squad leaders, when I give you

38:01the word, first squad, move out in that direction. Second squad, keep contact with first squad's right flank and move out. Third squad will be in reserve for now. Got any questions? Everyone is thinking to themselves, he says. Yeah. Can I go home now? So the lieutenant says, move out. The squad leader tells his 12 or so men, so and so, meaning, you know, Joe, move out. Number two is, you know, John, and so on. An enemy machine gunner is pounding like hell at you.

38:33One of your snuffies says, Jesus Christ, Sarge, you're going to kill every one of us. You yell back, that's right, move out and get killed or I'll have to kill you. And so it goes. All of those a-holes, he says, or most of them who wrote all of those brilliant operations orders were never squad leaders. End quote. The way the war appears depends on the zoom level you look at it. And you can look at it from any zoom level you want.

39:04That is the ground level, squad level zoom level, the people actually fighting. But you can zoom in and out to any degree you want. I mean, I can pick up a book I hardly ever have out of my arm's reach, the Encyclopedia of Military History with Trevor Dupuis writing it. And he'll give you the satellite level zoom out and just explain the campaign sort of in a very quick and general fashion. But you don't get any sense of what it was like for the people on the ground.

39:38But maybe an overview is worth it here in Australia to show what happens. As we said, the Australians are fighting with the Chacos, these people who are like reservists who have to kind of hold back the Japanese long enough for Australian troops who are being, some of them anyway, withdrawn from the Mediterranean, brought back to Australia for a quick refit and then going to be sent to help. And here's the way Dupuis puts the, you know, this initial part of the Kokoda campaign.

40:10It doesn't sound very dramatic the way he says it, though, but it is an encyclopedia after all. Quote. July 21st to September 13th, 1942, advance on Port Moresby. Elements of the Japanese 18th Army under Major General Tomatoro Hori pressed inland from Gona, drove in local Allied troops and moved up the rugged Kokoda Trail to seize the key pass over the Owen Stanley Mountains, which happens on August 12th. Pushing ahead, he writes, the Japanese reached to within 30 miles of Port Moresby before stiffening Australian and

40:42American resistance under Australian Major General Edmund F. Herring, supported by tactical air forces with local air superiority, halted the advance. End quote. That doesn't really give you a sense of the drama and the oppressive jungle fighting involved. I've always found that for that you need to turn to either the soldiers on the ground who are doing the fighting and their accounts or the stories of the war correspondents who were often the ones who wrote those accounts down. For example, Australian war correspondent George H. Johnston was there on the ground.

41:17His dispatches were eventually cataloged in a book called The Toughest Fighting in the World. And he, at the time, you know, writing in contemporary terms as he's finding stuff out with the troops, starts seeing the survivors of some of these conflicts up on the Kokoda track in the Owen Stanley Mountains come shuffling down from the jungle. He says, quote, Our wounded are beginning to come back from the Owen Stanleys. Thin, bearded, gaunt men with hollow cheeks and the marks of strain and pain around their eyes.

41:48Their uniforms are ripped and covered with dried mud. Their slouch hats are pulpy and shapeless. Stretcher cases are jolting back on crude log litters on the shoulders of brawny Papuan natives. The others have walked all the way along the terrible track that links Moresby with Kokoda. They don't try to conceal what they've been through. It's only by realizing the difficulties our troops are facing that we shall be able to overcome them. Now quoting one of the troops, quote, Up there we've been fighting on the worst battleground in the world, one man said. Before I was hit, I spent forty-six hours without shutting an

42:24eye. There are mists creeping over the trees all day, and sometimes you can't see your hand in front of your face under the cover of the jungle. Most of our chaps haven't seen a jap. You don't even see the jap who gets you. It's like fighting the invisible man. Those japs are tough, hard fighters, and their camouflage is perfect. They can move through scrub or tall grass without making a sound, and without showing a sign, except, if your eyes are good, an occasional stirring in the vegetation. My unit made two attacks on Japanese positions.

42:56We got to within fifteen feet of them, but we still couldn't see them. When they were attacking, we could hear a voice shouting from some distance back. We soon learned that trick. The voice always comes from a long way back, but the real danger is the jap force right up close to you. The japs have amazing patience. They will lie on the ground or stand in a creek up to their necks in water all day without moving, just waiting to catch you off guard. They use the old trick of calling out false orders, and sometimes

43:30they begin jabbering at you from only a few yards away. If you stood up to cover them with your rifle, a sniper would take a crack at you from a different direction. At the moment, they're all over us, but they've got five times the number of men we have." End quote. End quote. The false orders thing is wild. A lot of these Japanese troops have a person or two in the units who spoke English, and they would yell out orders to see if they could get some of the enemy, usually absolutely exhausted and tired and on

44:03the edge of their, you know, nerves, to see if they could get them to stand up or start moving and then open fire on them. It's vicious. It's that kind of fighting. The Australians run into the same trick with Japanese wounded that other Allied troops have run into. A story I recall has a Japanese wounded soldier calling out for help. An Australian officer goes over to try to help him, and the Japanese soldier throws a grenade at him from close range. Once again, that poisons the well for any other Japanese who might legitimately want to surrender and get

44:38medical treatment or anything like that. And the Australians start doing what the British and the Americans have already begun doing in their theaters, not taking any chances. I remember one soldier saying, we just never stopped watching Japanese dead. And they would run them through with bayonets and shoot at the corpses. They just, it was a little like having vampires rise from the grave. They just never knew when it was safe to consider, you know, a corpse a corpse. For those who are scholars of the Kokoda campaign, they know how many revisionist books over the years have been

45:11written about so many of the aspects of the fighting. I mean, were they really outnumbered as bad as the old stories say and all that kind of stuff? And I just want to say that as an American, I find that somewhat distracting from the real situation here that makes it heroic. It's not being so outnumbered. It's literally what they went through. I mean, when you read these accounts what these soldiers are dealing with, it's upsetting and horrifying in a way that, you know, you just didn't run into, as I've said many times now already, in other theaters.

45:45And I should also, to be fair, as Osmar White said, right, geography is impartial. This is happening to the Japanese, too. They're going to get a lot more of that when the situation turns the other way. There's a lot going on in this theater, as we said, on August 7th is when the Marine landing about 850 miles to the east of here happens right in this one theater on Guadalcanal. We've already talked a little bit about that. And then the Japanese will try to land at Milne Bay, at

46:16another part of this same area of New Guinea, to capture an airfield, and the Australians will throw them back, becoming the, this is famous, although I've heard it, other people say it's not true, but I think it is, becoming the first of the Allied troops to sort of deny the Japanese something that they're trying to take in this war. The scale of the fighting reminds one of a very large Vietnam War campaign. So the Kokoda fighting will have like 6,000, 7,000 Japanese troops against 2,000 or 3,000 Australians for a certain point.

46:47It seems like small potatoes compared to other fronts, but you can't have large potatoes on this front because you can't feed anybody, right? You want to put four or five divisions on New Guinea? Well, you don't have the transport to do it and they die after you dropped them off there, right? So this is how you're going to take this area with about that many troops and the Japanese are slowly but surely going to start to get pushed back over the mountains in the other direction, back down toward their

47:18bases on the north of the island. Part of the reason for this is because the Marines on Guadalcanal have made this entire theater something that the Japanese have to address. And sometimes when they're trying to reinforce Guadalcanal against the Marines, they can't reinforce New Guinea to the same degree. So they're starting to ping off of each other and take pressure off of each other. Also, the Milne Bay battle that we just discussed, well, that's where you start to see Americans on the ground fighting next to Australians and with them. This is not widely understood in the United States.

47:52In Milne Bay, it's more engineers and some anti-aircraft gunners, but you're going to see more and more of that. Also, and this is a bit of a sore point in a lot of Australia's soldiers' minds, but there will be criticism from people like General MacArthur in Australia who will say things like, the Australians aren't fighting well, you know, that they're not good troops and all these kinds of things, completely neglecting that these are militia going into combat for the first time against Japanese veterans who've been there before.

48:22Wait till he sees what the Australian tip of the spear guys can do when they get there and they start arriving little by little. And as this campaign goes on, you start to see the really good Australian troops up against the really good Japanese troops. There's a line that I loved. I believe it was quoted in Eric Bergerid's book where they asked a veteran who was talking about, you know, how they ranked the jungle fighters. And after a while, it was always thought the Japanese were now these super

48:53jungle fighters. But after a while, they will say that the Australians are the best jungle fighters in the war, that the Japanese are the second best jungle fighters in the war, and that the Americans really you can't judge because they sort of knock the jungle down first and then fight in what's left. But once the tables turn a little bit and aircraft play a big role in this, you'll start to see the Japanese suffer. And they're going to suffer in a way that will be cataloged in Ozawa Matsutsugu's book.

49:23And he'll call the fighting on Kokoda, he'll say his great memories of the entire campaign is one of suicides and mercy killings. So that gives you an idea of the Japanese memory of this place. And as the fighting continues, the Japanese are not just fighting, you know, the European allied troops, they're fighting the natives in green armor. Osmar White has a little blurb that just reminds you that these natives, they remind me a lot of the Polynesians, where a lot of the Polynesians are the most friendliest, most open, most welcoming, most

49:58hospitable kinds of people you will ever want to meet. But don't make them mad, right? If you make them mad, they can be just, well, here's what Osmar White talks about. He talks about one of the natives fighting with the Australian troops, and his name is Lick Lick. And White says, quote, with him, meaning one of the people in the story, was a small, pot-black native about four feet nine inches tall named Lick Lick, a cheerful-looking creature with a grin that spread right around his head.

50:32Paddles, the other person, said that Lick Lick was being sent back in disgrace and told us about his offense. In a raid on Salamaua on July 1st, Lick Lick begged to be allowed to carry ammunition for his boss. Eventually, permission was given. During the raid, he behaved with great steadiness and courage as number two to a Tommy gun. He killed two Japanese with a bush knife. Then he disappeared. Our troops had withdrawn by nine o'clock in the morning.

51:04Lick Lick was missing at the rendezvous. Just before the last men moved off, he arrived exhausted, dragging a bulging copra sack. It contained 13 Japanese heads. He then had the effrontery to ask for leave so that he could take them back to his village in the hills and hang them on the pole of the, he described it as a men's clubhouse. When, in the course of his dressing down, it was pointed out to him that very

51:34little credit would devolve on him for cutting off the heads of men killed by other warriors, he replied simply, but they were not dead, boss. They were only wounded. End quote. So Lick Lick had gone out there, killed the wounded, and cut off their heads. There were stories of natives wanting Japanese heads so badly that they, lacking knives sometimes, would carry them to a tree with a fork in the trunk, wedge their neck into the fork, and spin the body around until the

52:07head popped off. Whole Japanese patrols will go missing soon, only to be found later as rotting skeletons with the jungle vegetation growing all through them. Like I said, a little like Polynesians, sometimes wonderful, hospitable people who seem so innocent and giving that it's almost like Eden before the fall, right? But don't make them mad. What eventually begins to turn the tide in New Guinea is something that is beginning to turn the tide against the Axis in the whole war, everywhere you look.

52:40It's the non-sexy stuff. We've been talking about it this whole series, haven't we? I mean, Marine Corps General Robert Barrow had a great line, but it just echoes what generals have said forever. He says, amateurs think about tactics, but professionals think about logistics. And in New Guinea, you can see the Australians slowly but surely building up their strength, bringing in new good units from the Mediterranean and places like that. The Americans bring in more troops in Guadalcanal.

53:10You're going to see the Marines eventually give way to army troops. And all of this is part of what will begin to simply stop the Axis impetus. And the things that the Axis had going for it were things like the momentum, the initial surprise, the wonderful cutting edge, and the head start that their militaries often had in being prepared for this. Remember, the Japanese have been fighting in China for years, right? That creates a bunch of veterans. The Germans had a war machine that was just awesome, but they needed these

53:46things to compensate for what they didn't have, because this is, on paper, not a fair fight, the Axis against the Allies. We've been saying it all along, right? The Allies have an advantage, a huge advantage in population, economic power, industrial capability, natural resources, the geographic distribution of things like their bases and support areas. These are not anywhere near equal. It's part of the reason the Axis went to war, right? To redress some of that imbalance as they saw it.

54:18But in a war of attrition, which Eric Bergeret says the Pacific is going to be, once the impetus of the Japanese is stopped, these are the things that are important. And the Japanese begin to start the process of seeing what being ground down means. The Germans are getting the same experience with their Axis partners in Europe. As everyone who studies the European war knows, that they'd already failed to take Moscow in the 1941-42 winter. And a lot of people look at that as the loss of their impetus.

54:53They will try to regain that impetus as part of the big summer 1942 offensives. And of course, that ends up with Stalingrad. And we all know how that turns out. But I mean, you look at the difference. Compare how things look from the Axis side on the first day of the year, 1942, January 1st, 1942, to how things look from the Axis side on December 31st, the last day of the year, 1942. It is night and day.

55:23What changed? The Axis impetus had stalled. The sides had sort of crystallized. And now you have a grinding war of attrition. And in a grinding war of attrition, the side with the most stuff, the better ability to bring that stuff and transport it to where you need it, the ability to resupply, all these things begin to tell. And many of the battles in the last six months of the Pacific War here in New Guinea and the Solomon Islands is the grinding down stuff.

55:56I mean, in Guadalcanal, there's going to be something like seven larger naval battles and three larger land battles, but almost all of them are connected to one way or another, trying to resupply the island. The side that can keep bringing in fresh troops and replacements and supplies is going to win. In Guadalcanal, you get this wild situation for a while. I like the way author Richard B. Frank in Guadalcanal describes it. He says it's a it's a mutual siege. So 12 hours of the day, the allied forces are under siege.

56:32The other 12 hours of the day, the Japanese forces are under siege. And it's a night and day question. At night, the allied forces are under siege. At the daytime, the Axis forces are under siege. Frank writes this. And when he says cactus flyers, by the way, on Guadalcanal, he's talking about the pilots who are flying off of Henderson Field, this airbase that is the sort of at the center of the marine perimeter on Guadalcanal that

57:03they're defending. And he writes, quote, because of the efforts of the cactus flyers and the lack of efforts by American admirals, a curious tactical situation arose in the waters around Guadalcanal, a change of sea command every 12 hours, creating a sort of mutual siege. By day, American ships plied the channel between Tulagi and Guadalcanal, and transports arrived to unload, keeping a wary eye cocked for Japanese aircraft. At sundown, all the ships flying the Stars and Stripes exited hastily to the east or sought the haven of

57:37Tulagi's harbor, quote, like frightened children running home from a graveyard, end quote, in the words of Samuel Elliott Morrison, end quote. He's now going to talk about Iron Bottom Sound for a minute and a couple of ships. Iron Bottom Sound was the name given to an area where so many ships had sunk, they said it had an iron bottom, and it's around these islands. He says, quote, shortly after darkness, Japanese men of war heaved into Iron Bottom Sound, which they'd ruled unchallenged since August 9th, with the unhappy exception of Blue and Henley.

58:13There they would favor their countrymen with rice, bullets, and soldiers, and the Americans with a bombardment. These operations achieved the regularity of a crack railroad run, and disgusted Marines labeled them the Cactus Express, soon better known as the Tokyo Express, end quote. In other words, both sides are trying to keep their troops resupplied and reinforced, and the side that stops being able to do this is going to be the side that loses. That's what happens in a war of attrition, right? Eventually, one side's worn down to the nub, and the other

58:50isn't. And this is where our description of this war is probably going to deviate from a lot of the TV specials you see, or things from documentaries, because wars of attrition tend not to be all that interesting from the tactical and strategic standpoint. There's a workman-like way about them. I like the way Eric Berger, of course, how many times have I said that, describes it. First, he points out that there is no real front line in most of these battles, like you might have

59:23in Europe or North Africa, because the jungle's just too darn easy to infiltrate through. So what the sides involved do is create perimeters, like the Marines on Guadalcanal. A perimeter is something where you create a circular defense area, where everyone's facing outward. And that way, even if somebody comes through the jungle and infiltrates and outflanks you, you're not surrounded. So you have perimeters, and the other thing you have are patrols. Patrols are the only way intelligence is gathered by the officers on the ground.

59:56They send out squads, usually, of soldiers who will go out in different directions and try to see where the enemy is, make contact with them if they have an advantage. And that's what this war devolves into, which makes it not so interesting from the General MacArthur level, because, as I said, workmanlike, right? Patrols go out all the time. They run into the enemy. The firefight's quick and deadly and over. And that just continues on and on. Eric Bergerid writes, quote, The small unit war of patrolling and watching the

1:00:31perimeter had a brutal pace. During a campaign, there was no let-up in the activity or the violence. The Japanese landed at Buna and started over the Owen Stanley Mountains in July 1942. Rabaul was bypassed in early 1944. In the time between, significant contact existed between Allied and Japanese ground forces every day. Although punctuated with a small number of massed Japanese assaults, the war in the South Pacific was a war of attrition. Day in and out, soldiers were killed, maimed, or stricken with fearful disease.

1:01:05Many characteristics of the war, he continues, such as the immense casualty rates, the poor replacement system, the hideous climate, and malignant terrain all worked to push the armies towards exhaustion. Yet the soldiers fought the land war in the Pacific with a savage and relentless intensity that had no parallel in World War II. Although it is possible to identify incidents of restraint and humanity on both sides, the essence of the conflict was something very close to a war of annihilation.

1:01:36End quote. So even though we've taken quite a long time to get to this point, we're going to be moving rather quickly for a while because there's a sameness to things. And my apologies to everyone out there whose grandfather or great-grandfather fought in one of these campaigns were going to hop over like the island hopping the U.S. Navy is going to do. But these island fighting situations are very similar. Author James Jones, who fought on Guadalcanal, said it was like a choreographed military ballet to a certain point. You land on the island, you isolate the island, you cut the island

1:02:13into pieces, and then you begin slowly but surely wiping out the defenders. This is part of why, as Eric Berger had said, it's a war of annihilation. Because unlike many other theaters in the war, the goal is not the same. In those situations, the goal is to break the enemy. There's lots of ways to do it, right? You outflank them, you get in their rear, you hit them at decisive points, you take strategic objectives that screw up their defense lines, whatever it might be.

1:02:43But once you get the enemy to flee, run, retreat, rout, whatever it might be, that's where the real killing starts. Think about the Highway of Death in Iraq or the Filet's Pocket in 1944. That's where a ton of damage happens. The reason this theater is different is because the Japanese don't run. Alone amongst the great armies of the world, the Japanese morale is, for all intents and purposes, unbreakable, which means you have to go around and kill them all. You have to wipe out each position, one by one by

1:03:15one. It's a combination of workmanlike and extremely deadly. And it creates a sense of fatalism amongst the troops, which is normal in war, but of a level that you don't see. It's why, again, the Pacific War veterans are different. I remember in the wonderful series I saw from Britain called Hell in the Pacific, where they interviewed so many American veterans, and one of them just says we were crafted to be a machine, and each one of us were working parts, and we killed. That's what we did. We were a killing machine. In that same wonderful documentary, one of my favorite people to

1:03:52ever talk about the Pacific War, Eugene Sledge, who was a Marine, he described the front lines this way, and I've never forgotten it. He said, quote, Now, that statement isn't meant to denigrate all the people behind the front lines, because I think, as we said earlier, 17 to 25 individuals is what it takes to keep someone at the front lines, and those people could be killed or in danger at any time. But those people in the hundred yards at the front line, it's a different situation.

1:04:23First of all, there's not a chance you might get killed. According to James Jones in his book, A Chronicle of Soldiering, and something he calls the evolution of a soldier, he says part of the evolution of a front line soldier is coming to the conclusion not that you might die, but that you will die. He says you are a different person simply for considering the idea. The other thing you do in the hundred yards at the front line that the people may be in a

1:04:53medical station behind or a support unit or whatever doesn't do is you kill, and you don't kill here and there. You kill all the time, and that will change you too. I find it much more interesting to focus on the soldiers than the leapfrogging and the maps and the arrows in this case, because all these campaigns share a similarity, and they all really revolve around finding the best way to marshal your forces at decisive points in order to get the killing machine, as that American veteran said, into

1:05:25place so that they can begin killing. The other thing that is important to point out is that the war looks very different when you read the actual accounts of the Pacific War veterans, especially if they're not clouded with all sorts of nostalgia. If you find the stuff that happens at the time, written at the time, you find very little patriotism and all the things that glorify, especially the Second World War, which is often referred to as the Good War, you find a sort of deadly earnestness that is both sobering, and if you're a scholar or

1:06:00a student or just really interested in human behavior, it's a wonderful sort of test case for extreme kinds of things that you just don't encounter anywhere else. Jones writes in A Chronicle of Soldiering, such are we humans, such is our nature, that we can look back on moments where we very nearly died and remember them with nostalgia and pleasure. The truth is, 35 years, which is how long it had been since the war when he wrote this, 35 years has glossed it all over and given World War II a polish and glow that it did

1:06:36not have at the time. The process of history always makes me think of the way Navajos polish their turquoise. They put the raw chunks in a barrel, half filled with birdshot, and then turn the barrel and keep turning it until the rough edges are all taken off and the nuggets come out smooth and shining. Time, I think, does the same thing with history and especially with wars. End quote. He then goes on to do something that you don't normally see done in the history of wars

1:07:08and especially the Second World War and he explains why. He goes on to make a distinction between the leaders and the soldiers and he talks about class differences and he doesn't mean it in a Marxist sense. He simply means it in a way Americans would say college boys and rural kids. I mean, the difference between the people who both write the history and who the history is written for. You know, the generals, the press, the media, the people back home who read this stuff, the people

1:07:41in the colleges, and he makes a distinction between the people on the ground and says you could fight in a bunch of battles and read the history of those battles later and not recognize the campaign you fought in at all. And by the way, doesn't this remind you like of the Eric Bergerid quote of the veteran who said, you know, none of those people pushing papers were squad leaders? Well, James Jones says basically the same thing. He writes, quote, History is always written from the viewpoints of the

1:08:14leaders and increasingly in our age, war leaders do not get shot at with any serious consistency. Leaders make momentous, world-encompassing, historical decisions. It is your average anonymous soldier or pilot or naval gunnery raiding who has to carry them out on the ground, where there is often a vast difference between the grandiose logic and plans and what takes place on the terrain. End quote. He then talks about the sort of things that almost never make it into the history books, where he talks about how the war itself and combat specifically can turn a

1:08:49person into someone who lives simply for this moment. And he talks about how it's true that everything tastes better, every moment is savored more. You are, in a certain sense, really living because the moment is all you have. He says, quote, Little things become significant. The next meal, the next bottle of booze, the next kiss, the next sunrise, the next full moon, the next bath, or as the Bible might have said, but didn't quite, sufficient unto the day is the existence thereof. This is a hard philosophy, but then a soldier's profession is a hard profession

1:09:25in wartime. A lot of men like it, though. And even civilian soldiers have been known to stay on and make it their life's work. It has its excitements and compensations. One of them is that since you have none yourself, you are relieved of any responsibility for a future, and everything tastes better. It is absolutely true, for example, that when you think, when you know you are going off to die somewhere soon, every day has a special, bright, delicious, poignant taste to it that normal days in normal

1:09:59times do not have. Another perversity of the human mechanism? Some men like to live like that all the time. Some are actually sorry to come home and see it end. Even those of us who hated it found it exciting, sometimes. That is what the civilian people never understand about their returned soldiers in any war, Vietnam as well. They cannot understand how we could hate it and still like it. And they do not realize that they have a lot of dead men around them.

1:10:34Dead men who are walking around and breathing. Some men find it hard to come back. Some never come back at all. Not completely. End quote. That's the part of the experience that to me is so much, you know, I always say I'm fascinated with the extremes of the human experience. Well, going from this island to that island to this other island doesn't intrigue me as much as what James Jones talks about there.

1:11:05What this war put human beings into as far as situations and what those situations did to them. And it would be decades before these circumstances filtered down to the public and in fact a lot of the public still doesn't understand even though the information is out there exactly what the real war on the ground was like. I've read a lot about this over the years and the best possible explanation for this is that most

1:11:36people don't want to know what it's really like. It is too awful to serve as a good propaganda tool during the conflict, right? Not going to exactly get people all excited about going off to war or having their children go off to war if you see what it's really like. It's also not very good as an entertainment option after the war is over. You're not going to want to go see multiple viewings of a film that shows what war is really like.

1:12:11American poet and journalist Walt Whitman had said about the U.S. Civil War that the real war will never make it into the books and that phrase is used as the title of a chapter in author Paul Fussell's book Wartime. Fussell was an American officer in the Second World War and led troops badly wounded in Europe and then after the war spent some time trying to de-romanticize modern conflict and in a chapter where he talks about the way

1:12:44that the soldiers talked you know vaguely subversive sort of tone in their voice he then explains why this was and it has to do with the difference between what they were experiencing and what the public back home were being treated to in terms of portrayals of their experience and he writes what was it about the war that moved the troops to constant verbal subversion and contempt it was not just the danger and fear the boredom and

1:13:16uncertainty and loneliness and deprivation it was rather the conviction that optimistic publicity and euphemism had rendered their experience so falsely that it would never be readily communicable they knew that in its representation to the laity meaning the public what was happening to them was systematically sanitized and Norman Rockwell-ized not to mention Disney-fied end quote one of the ways in which this was done was in the decisions what you show the folks back home when you're showing

1:13:48the dead how do you portray the dead Fussell points out that most Americans got their history knowledge of the second world war from books like the time life life goes to war book published in 1977 and he points out that in that entire book of photographs there are exactly three human heads and they are all Asian he then goes on to show that all of the bodies that you see of American troops are intact and these

1:14:20are all things that are done for the sensibilities of the readers but that's not what the soldiers on the ground saw and he says that a better comparison for what your average combat soldier was seeing in the second world war would be what a plane crash of hundreds of people in a jet aircraft looks like if you're the first one that wanders up on the scene and he then points out that most people don't know what

1:14:51that looks like either he talks about how most of these soldiers would see all of the things that are normally on the inside of a human body on the outside again you'll see no portrayals of American troops looking like that in your history books and believe it or not while the excuse that is often used is that we're trying to be respectful of the troops according to Fussell they didn't like this because it made their experience

1:15:22all the more difficult to relate I mean I had talked earlier about how hard it is to sometimes get these combat veterans to speak it's because we who weren't there have no frame of reference we can't possibly begin to understand and he writes quote what annoyed the troops and augmented their sardonic contemptuous attitude toward those who viewed them from afar was in large part this public innocence about the bizarre damage suffered by the human body in

1:15:54modern war the troops could not contemplate without anger the lack of public knowledge of the graves registration form that's a burial form used by the U.S. Army Quartermaster Corps with its space for indicating quote end quote members missing that's fingers hands toes other things he continues you would expect frontline soldiers to be struck and hurt by bullets and shell fragments but such is the popular insulation from the facts that you would not expect them to be

1:16:25hurt sometimes killed by being struck by parts of their friends bodies violently detached if you asked a wounded soldier or marine what hit him you'd hardly be ready for the answer my buddy's head or his sergeant's heel or his hand or a Japanese leg complete with shoe and putties or the West Point ring on his captain's severed hand end quote the other things that don't make for very good exciting propaganda pieces or war movies is your

1:16:56own soldiers losing their mind from what they see and Fussell quotes a few incidents talks about Wilfred Owen who was a famous poet from the first world war and which they of course called the great war until there was a second world war and Fussell writes quote in the great war Wilfred Owen was driven very near to madness by having to remain for some time next to the scattered body pieces of one of his friends he

1:17:28had numerous counterparts in the second war at the botched assault on Terawa and BDO Atoll one coxswain at the helm of a landing vessel went quite mad perhaps at the shock of steering through all the severed heads and limbs near the shore one marine battalion commander badly wounded climbed above the rising tide onto a pile of American bodies next afternoon he was found there mad end quote these may sound like isolated occurrences but in his book

1:17:59On Killing Lieutenant Colonel Dave Grossman who taught psychology at West Point said this quote during World War II more than 800,000 men were classified 4F meaning unfit for military service due to psychiatric reasons despite this effort to weed out those mentally and emotionally unfit for combat America's armed forces lost an additional 504,000 men from the fighting effort because of psychiatric collapse enough to man 50 divisions at one point in World War II he writes psychiatric casualties

1:18:31were being discharged from the U.S. Army faster than new recruits were being drafted in end quote then there's the sort of incidents I imagine you would least like to find out about if you were one of the parents who received those terrible telegrams from the U.S. government which usually started off with the phrase we regret to inform you and then explaining that your son was never coming home the last thing you want to find out is

1:19:03that perhaps they were killed by their own people one of the nasty little realities of war forever but modern war specifically is how many people die from what is euphemistically called friendly fire this is an unavoidable thing especially in modern war but in Europe and North Africa and other theaters it was usually very understandable things like artillery for example your famous phrases the short round for example short round meaning a round that lands way short and

1:19:35hits your own people instead of an enemy it happens or aircraft coming in for close air support that hits friendly troops instead of enemy again hard to avoid over the long haul but in the Pacific due to the terrain jungle especially and all the night fighting the friendly fire was often much more up close and personal and many more people were killed by their own people using small arms Australian medics I was reading one account were

1:20:08continually horrified by the number of slugs they pulled out of their own people that were of a caliber that the Japanese didn't use but the Australians did meaning those people were friendly fire victims and when you look at the rates of friendly fire they are shocking Eric Berger quotes some of them the worst was it on the island of New Georgia 24% that means one out of every four Americans shot on New Georgia were shot by

1:20:40their own people but there were reasons for this the jungle jitters was one of the famous ones people got trigger happy and the number of people that were found when daylight first hit outside their foxholes killed by other marines or US army soldiers is legendary you have to go out to go to the bathroom but everybody's so afraid of the Japanese that anything that moves gets shot at and in the morning you find out that you

1:21:12killed a water buffalo or you killed a deer or you killed a civilian or one of your own these are the sorts of incidents that are so troubling and upsetting that they don't sell a lot of tickets for movies after the war and they prompt phrases like the real war will never make it into the books when you look at the fighting on Guadalcanal for example you can write as Richard B.

1:21:42Frank did an entire book about it and it makes it sound like a number of major World War II battles were happening there and the whole thing but when you compare it for example to what's going on in Europe the numbers look minuscule as we've said even when Guadalcanal will have 30,000 Japanese on there which is a sizable force we should remember that at the exact same time during the German summer offensive it's millions of men

1:22:12fighting on the steps of the Russian area around Stalingrad and that whole area but that doesn't make it any less important in fact the emperor of Japan will push his people to continually reinforce Guadalcanal in an attempt to take the island and the problem they have is they deliver them little by little on this Tokyo Express like we mentioned earlier and they're trying to build up a sizable force and when the commander takes a look at what he's got available the new troops look great the troops that have been there already are dying starving wracked

1:22:48with disease disease will be much more of a problem for both sides than combat will be so you're never able to get say 30,000 well rested well fed ready for combat troops and this will be an issue as will be American firepower the Japanese had hoped to offset firepower disadvantages by attacking at night as we said by their what they considered to be superior Yamato and Bushido spirits and they were going to go in there and they were going to overrun American positions and it was carnage when you read the Guadalcanal battles it often reminds

1:23:24one of like the old cowboy and Indian movies where you've got the horse soldiers you know up on a hill and they're defending the hill against waves of enemy attacks well that is what the Pacific was kind of like most of the damage as we said earlier is done by patrols right like a Vietnam war situation and you have you know the patrol ambushed on the trail quick fire fights and people are dead and that just happens day in and day out all over the place the Japanese would launch these major attacks these charges at

1:24:00night those are always sort of recorded as official battles in the in the Guadalcanal campaign right on September 12th for example something called the Battle of Bloody Ridge well if you look at the casualties you know it's a little more than 100 Americans it's a little more than 700 Japanese which is a lot in the Pacific for an encounter but again in Europe in Europe this is a this is small-time stuff but it doesn't matter that it's small-time stuff if it's a question of taking and holding the island or conquering the island right the only

1:24:36thing that matters from the war effort point of view is who has the island at the end of the day actually it's a not casualties it's deaths so remember casualties involves wounded people to missing people to captured people to the just over a hundred on the American side just over 700 on the Japanese side that refers to dead KIA killed in action in any case there'll be naval battles that are famous but they really sort of just add to the attrition I mean on August 24th 1942 there'll be something called the the Battle of the

1:25:12Eastern Solomons on September 15th 1942 a Japanese submarine will sink the carrier WASP so you know those precious aircraft carriers which are now the most important ships in the world the Americans lose another one on October 11th and 12th there'll be another battle naval battle battle of Cape Esperance off of Guadalcanal again more attrition on October 26th 1942 there'll be the Battle of Santa Cruz the U.S. will lose the carrier Hornet but it's all part of the attrition process by October 13th 1942 speaking of attrition

1:25:44and the side that's able to supply their people with reinforcements and supplies wins the first U.S. Army troops land on Guadalcanal and I believe James Jones the person we quoted earlier with them and he said the U.S. Marines I believe I said this he said they looked mean when they saw them and they also looked hammered especially the troops from the division that landed initially and they had that famous stare that the artists so immortalized they'd been racked by malaria they'd been fighting and very little sleep I mean what this did to

1:26:21the veterans as we said you can tell a Pacific veteran if you look at photographs of U.S. soldiers for example or Australian soldiers or Japanese soldiers in the war you can tell where they were serving you did not see for example Japanese soldiers racked by disease and starving very often in China but you did in Guadalcanal they in fact nicknamed it Starvation Island the starvation is much worse on New Guinea when the Australians and Americans eventually you know retake the Kokoda track begin to attack and put under siege the Japanese bases on the

1:26:58north part of the island places like Buna it's awful the Japanese by the way had constructed these these bunk houses these these areas where they could defend from and it just it tore up the people that tried to take them it was very vicious but the lack of food and supplies turned the Japanese situation into exactly what Ogawa Matsutsugu said when he called it the island of death he tells a story about everyone trying to find

1:27:29food and that all of a sudden what a human being might consider edible changes Matsutsugu talks about the starvation and writes quote I sensed that the extremes of existence could be reduced to the human stomach lack of protein in particular fostered a kind of madness in us we ate anything flying insects worms in rotted palm trees we fought over the distribution of those worms if you managed to knock down a lizard with a stick you'd pop

1:28:00it into your mouth while its tail was still wriggling yet under these conditions a soldier offered me his final rice and a soldier I met for the first time gave me half a tarot route he dug up we had other fears on New Guinea near the end we were told not to go out alone to get water even in daytime we could trust the men we knew but there were rumors that you could never be sure

1:28:30what would happen if another of our own soldiers came upon you we took precautions against attack I once saw a soldier's body with the thigh flesh gouged out lying by the path the stories I heard made me shiver and left me chilled to the bone not all the men in New Guinea were cannibals but it wasn't just once or twice I saw this kind of thing one time when we were rushing along a mountain trail we

1:29:01were stopped by four or five soldiers from another unit they told us they had meat from a big snake that they were willing to share with us their almost sneering faces unnerved me maybe we were thinking too much but my companion and I didn't stop thank you maybe next time we said and left I knew that if it were really a snake they'd never have shared it they were trying to pull us in to share their

1:29:32guilt and quote cannibalism something that you saw almost never on any of the other fronts they apparently referred to Australian flesh as white pig and the Papuan the indigenous people of New Guinea in Papuan flesh as black pig can you imagine and when you read the accounts from Australian troops or American troops they're all seen through the eyes of an individual right a small mosaic as I said earlier the combat could be switched to you could

1:30:02switch the New Guinea combat with the Guadalcanal combat and if I didn't tell you where it was the difference is negligible in terms of your average soldier eye view for example after the last big attack by Japanese troops and at one point the Japanese as I said we'll have like 30,000 men on Guadalcanal the Americans are continually reinforcing the island they'll be up to like 58,000 at a certain point this battle for reinforcement and resupply is as we said the non-sexy side of war but key to who's going to win these things and after a

1:30:38big it's sometimes referred to as the land battle of Guadalcanal in mid-October the Americans start going more on the offensive and trying to drive the Japanese to the edge of the island and then eliminate them and when you read the accounts of the American veterans for example you once again get a real idea of the absolute hatred that had been engendered by the treatment meted out to both sides it was an Australian soldier who said that he didn't in North Africa he didn't feel one way or the other about what he called the Tonys which

1:31:14are the Italian troops and he said they sometimes had a sort of grudging admiration for the Fritzes the Germans but he hated the Japanese and he hated the in the book Into the Rising Sun by Patrick K O'Donnell which is accounts of American veterans he talks to raider battalion members on Guadalcanal and one of them is Dean Winters who was part of the second raider battalion he was on one of these patrols known as the long patrol to drive Japanese troops sort of backwards and he says at one point that they came on a Japanese

1:31:49hospital in the clearings and the hospital is just a bunch of huts and he writes quote we came upon a Japanese field hospital in bivouac area we killed a lot of Japs we bayoneted and shot anything that was still moving it was a series of grass huts they were on the ground wounded several had broken legs it didn't look like they'd had proper medical attention because some of them were bent at a 45 degree angle they weren't sticking straight out we were back in Japanese territory and didn't want to make noise so we used bayonets

1:32:25I was pretty angry we had a patrol and they captured one of our men and tied him over a log and used him as a woman they rammed a bayonet up his butt and he bled to death that made me angry so whenever I'd get into action I'd get angry I wasn't afraid when I was angry we all felt that way after what we'd seen end quote it is really tough though to get into close combat one Australian soldier said that he just shriveled up this is quoted in Francis Pike's book Hirohito's where he said

1:33:01he just shriveled up when the Japanese were 10 yards away with edged weapons what you saw as a soldier in terms of other people being wounded and the terrible wounds well my stepfather had a friend who fought on one of these islands an American and had me go up and see him once and he wouldn't talk to me he'd become an alcoholic and stayed in his house all the time this is 40 years after the war but he was one of those guys like Eugene Sledge had said who was within a hundred yards of the

1:33:36front line all the time and he was one of those guys that James Jones had pointed out never came back from the war completely but look at what they saw in the same book O'Donnell quotes second raider battalion veteran Ray Baumel who says quote I was about to go back and tell them that I couldn't find anything and behind us our officer named Miller and his runner must have walked up along the trail come around and crash through like a herd of elephants I almost shot him I said holy Christ he was pissed off he

1:34:14said where the hell is everyone what is taking so long I said they're laying over here about 15 yards I'm guessing then I was going to step in front of them to lead them but they trained the officers to go first so I stepped right behind them I was about a step behind them we took two steps and a Jap machine gun went off and almost blew his entire head off all his teeth were knocked out

1:34:47and his tongue was like strips of liver his whole lower jaw was almost missing I said lay low it's amazing how you react and I said lay low lieutenant end quote he then later says that the next day the officer who had been shot in the head died saying he suffocated in his own phlegm and then pointed out the obvious it wasn't a pretty sight those are the kinds of experiences right the human experiences that will

1:35:20have some people understandably almost drinking the rest of their life away trying to not recall the terrible images that are stored in their memory banks as terrible as the hatred may be between the combatants I can't get out of my head something I read in Francis Pike's Hirohito's war because it reminds me a little of the Christmas truce in 1914 in the First World War where the two sides jumped out of the trenches and came together

1:35:53and started exchanging materials and gifts with each other to the horror of their commanding officers by the way because it sort of showed a human nest that defied the conflict itself there's much less of that as you might imagine in the Pacific which so many modern histories like to call a race war a race war of annihilation but in Hirohito's war Francis Pike recounts an incident I never heard of before based on an entry in a

1:36:26Japanese diary and it involves the starving Japanese soldiers on Guadalcanal in at Christmas 1942 when the Americans get a special Christmas food treat because the Americans weren't eating particularly well either and the Japanese nearby can smell it and Pike writes quote while the Japanese were receiving their last supplies from Rabaul on Christmas Day gifts of boiled lollies I don't know what that is by the way tobacco and matches were being distributed to the Allied troops field

1:36:59kitchen served a special dinner of meatloaf and preserved peaches the smell of American delicacies drove the Japanese to despair private Nishimura recorded a bizarre incident in which one of his colleagues an English speaker declared I've had enough he stripped to his underpants and feigning drunkenness staggered towards the American lines silence followed only occasionally interrupted by laughter the Japanese soldier returned several hours later bearing food a gift from the American soldiers a few yards away few Japanese

1:37:32soldiers he writes were as fortunate end quote by Christmas 1942 though the situation in Guadalcanal is almost over by the end of the year the Emperor gives permission for the Japanese troops to withdraw and they launch a campaign to try to evacuate some troops from the island and by February 1943 the Americans declare the area secure the final casualties are however sobering when you combine the land casualties with the casualties from pilots in the air the

1:38:05casualties of the naval soldiers on both sides Richard B Frank says the American forces lost 7100 people the Japanese forces at least 30,343 people the casualty rates were very lopsided and 75% of the Japanese killed died due to disease and starvation this is an example of the cruelty if you will of the Japanese strategy here in this war the idea that they're going to take these islands and then they're going to force the allies to take

1:38:37them back and they're going to win over the allies because their people are willing to suffer more they may be right about that but the suffering that they put their own people through is cruel to the extreme it did create a sense of admiration though from their enemies and Richard B Frank writes quote we cannot leave the subject of the Japanese soldiers on Guadalcanal without honoring them for their one supreme virtue a determination a courage far

1:39:08above that of any of the other combatants in World War two John B George a junior infantry officer who faced the Japanese at the Gifu I think it's Gifu and later in Burma wrote quote most of us who have fought in the Pacific are ready to admit here and now away from all the convincing firsthand evidence we've seen mass starvation untold suffering shell shock cannibalism mass suicide that for sheer bloody hardened steel guts the stocky and

1:39:39hard muscled little Jap doughboy has it all over any of us end quote Frank continues quote in facing defeat George went on the Japanese soldier quote took it like a man like a hero no surrender for him end quote in his book the rising son author John Toland quotes a report from Lieutenant General George C. Kenny to Hap Arnold the head of the U.S. Army Air Forces pointing out that the people back home including

1:40:09the War Department had no conception of the problems facing the troops in the Southwest Pacific and says quote the Jap is still being underrated there is no question of our being able to defeat him but the time effort blood and money required to do the job may run to proportions beyond all conception particularly if the devil is allowed to develop the resources he is now holding let us look at Buna he writes there are hundreds of

1:40:41Buna's ahead for us the Jap there has been in a hopeless position for two months he has been outnumbered heavily throughout the show his garrison has been whittled down to a handful by bombing and strafing he has had no air support and his own navy has not been able to get past our air blockade to help him he has seen lots of Japs sunk off the shore a few miles away he has been short on rations

1:41:12and he has had to conserve his ammunition as his replenishment from submarines and small boats working down from lay at night and once by parachute from airplanes has been precarious to say the least the Emperor told them to hold and believe me they have held as to their morale they still yell out to our troops now quoting what they yell what's the matter Yanks are you yellow why don't you come in and fight a few snipers

1:41:43he continues asked to surrender after they'd been surrounded called back if you bastards think you're good enough come and get us I'm afraid that a lot of people who think this Jap is a pushover as soon as Germany falls are due for a rude awakening we will have to call on all of our patriotism stamina guts and maybe some crusading spirit or religious fervor thrown in to beat them no amateur team will take this boy out

1:42:15we've got to turn professional another thing there are no quiet sectors in which troops get started off gradually as in the last war there are no breathers on this schedule you take on Notre Dame every time you play end quote a football analogy there of course Guadalcanal is often seen as a campaign with major mistakes on both sides Ernest and Trevor Dupuis in the Encyclopedia of Military History says the Americans made fewer mistakes than the Japanese

1:42:49and that's why they won the American mistakes were almost inevitable if you recall that the entire campaign was given five weeks a mere five weeks of preparation and the Marines performed heroically but you can begin to see a mere year basically after Pearl Harbor that the writing is on the wall for what the Japanese have signed up for and you run across numbers sometimes that just display it in a wonderfully obvious sense in 1942 for example

1:43:24this is remember the first year of the war for the United States the Americans churned out 49,445 planes according to Richard B. Frank Japan churned out 8,861 and 1942 is the least productive year of the war for the Americans 43 and 44 you're going to see production numbers absolutely shoot through the moon now all those planes aren't being used in the Pacific theater by the Americans and all those planes are being used in the various theaters

1:43:58in the Asia-Pacific area by Japan the United States it should point it be pointed out that by the end of 1942 has opened up a second front in North Africa Operation Torch so they have troops that they have to support with aircraft and all these other production figures in multiple theaters nonetheless the difference in production numbers are so incredibly profound that the Japanese would be foolish to think that they aren't going to just be buried it

1:44:33is the bravery courage and willingness to die for the emperor that they hope will compensate for that but when you look at the casualty ratios between Japanese and allied troops as we said earlier in this segment you would be justified I think as a Japanese parent of a dead Japanese soldier in thinking that the government was guilty of some sort of gross negligence or military malpractice in the positions they put their own soldiers in I mean

1:45:07on New Guinea after the campaigns at Buna and Gona and those places the war continues there until 1944 and the Australians have gotten extremely good and the kill ratios are astounding here's what Eric Berger written touched with fire writes about it quote the Australian juggernaut was not only rolling it was doing so with very little cost in Australian lives disease preyed upon all soldiers in New Guinea until the end the Japanese however were losing their ability

1:45:42to cause pain to their enemies in New Guinea fewer than a thousand Australian soldiers were killed from February 1st 1943 the end of the Buna-Gona Sanananda campaign until January 1944 during the large Japanese attack on Finchavan 52 Australian soldiers lost their lives a minuscule figure in the grim arithmetic of war in the process in addition to the 13,000 dead suffered in Kokoda-Buna the Japanese lost another 30,000 men we will never know exactly how many died in

1:46:16battle but the kill ratio on New Guinea was mounting to levels rarely seen in modern war end quote the Allies were adopting strategies too that would minimize their casualties even more they were not going to attack the most strongly defended areas that the Japanese held this is the so-called leapfrogging strategy that the Allies choose MacArthur often claims credit for this by the way but there's a lot of historical evidence to suggest he was sort of dragged

1:46:46kicking and screaming it may have been Admiral King who came up with this initially uh and he was sort of the sort of the counterpart in the Navy to MacArthur but the strategy meant that these major strong points were simply to be bypassed and that if you could cut them off from resupply and reinforcement the soldiers on those places would simply starve to death and those wonderful defenses that had been so carefully set up would never

1:47:17be used uh Bergerid compares them to giant POW camps in effect and the more soldiers the Japanese sent to these places to make them even harder to take the more they were inadvertently consigning to captivity and starvation and the less they had to send to areas that were actively going to be attacked author Ian W. Toll in his book The Conquering Tide explains the Japanese feelings about the Allied leapfrogging strategy and writes quote and by the way um Rabal as we've said was it was on the island of New Britain it is the

1:47:55major Japanese base in the region and the Japanese assume the Allies are going to try to take it so they're going to make it a death trap and Toll writes quote as an air base Rabal had been very nearly neutered by unrelenting air attacks but with units streaming into the lines from points west Japanese troop strength approached a hundred thousand surrender was beneath consideration of course so the garrison began to prepare for a climactic fight to

1:48:25the last man defeat might be inevitable but it would be honorable heaven beckoned and they would sell their lives dearly and take plenty of American soldiers and marines with them for almost two years the Japanese had been building and improving their defensive fortifications their intricate networks of subterranean bunkers and tunnels and they were well stocked with provisions and ammunition for a long siege he writes so they waited and waited and waited and the Americans did not

1:48:56come the defenders were denied even the consolation of dying for the emperor a Japanese intelligence officer interviewed after the war admitted that the Japanese quote end quote hated the leapfrogging strategy perhaps because it offended their sense of honor but he added that they respected it and understood its wisdom now quoting the intelligence officer quote the Japanese army preferred direct assault after the German fashion but the Americans flowed into our weaker points and submerged us just as

1:49:27water seeks the weakest entry to sink a ship end quote this of course is not to say that there weren't terrible terrible fights to come even the so-called weaker points in the Japanese defense perimeter were going to be extremely difficult to take and this leapfrogging strategy that bypassed these major areas still had to take a ton of other islands in order to do so if you looked at a map of the region in the southwest pacific

1:49:58you will see that MacArthur and the U.S. Army and the Australians and New Zealanders are coming up through New Guinea towards Rabaul on one side on the other side of New Britain and Rabaul the Navy and the U.S. Marines are working their way up the Solomons the island chain there and they will sort of cut off Rabaul now the fighting though working your way up the island chain is brutal take New Georgia for example after a

1:50:29nice rest period after Guadalcanal is over to restock your forces and get them ready the Navy and the Marines and Army units also start working their way up the island chain on the 21st of June 1943 or thereabouts the Americans land on the island of New Georgia and it is brutal one of the main areas on New Georgia is called Munda and here's what Ian W. Toll in The Conquering Tide writes about that quote the 4500

1:51:02man Japanese garrison had dug in deeply and well and the terrain was abysmal the Munda campaign was a photo negative of the fight on Guadalcanal with the Japanese and allied positions reversed now it was the American soldiers and Marines who struggled through swamp and underbrush losing contact with adjacent units and suffering heavily under harassing attacks by the enemy Japanese units he writes launched nighttime bonsai attacks accompanied by shouting profanities and taunts in broken English two green

1:51:34American army regiments broke and ran throwing down their weapons several were shot by other American soldiers who mistook them for enemy and several dozen had to be evacuated because of quote end quote psychoneuroses one officer recalled that fear was like a disease that spread through the ranks eventually transmuting into mass panic discipline and morale crumpled now quoting a soldier quote by morning in an unmanageable mass men were huddling in groups along the trails to the rear

1:52:07and pursued savagely by the enemy that caught up with many of them and to use an archaic phrase put them to the sword end quote Toll says that quote eventually all available reserves were committed to the capture of Munda three army divisions required a full five weeks to secure the airfield eleven hundred and ninety five allied servicemen were killed in the effort most of the defenders died or took their own lives end quote We've talked about

1:52:39how much hate there was amongst both sides and yet there are memories as we said that stick in the memory banks of the soldiers and marines who had to fight in these campaigns in his wonderful book that we've quoted already from Into the Rising Sun Patrick K. O'Donnell talks to Harry Clark of the 4th Raider Battalion fighting on New Georgia and he remembers this quote We took Viru Harbor a lot of boom boom and bang bang

1:53:12It was a blur It was kind of bewildering to say the least There's nothing orderly about modern combat I'm sure you've been told that enough that you're about to vomit in your wastebasket It's a blur of sound The only thing you're whittled down to immediately is the base person you are You know what you're supposed to be doing Then he sighs It says I shot this guy Thank God he was Japanese and not American or I

1:53:44would have made the biggest mistake in my military career He sighs again Being a scout sniper I've been cautioned over and over to look for papers look for documents This, that, and the other thing This soldier was about six feet the guy he shot clean as a whistle Most were starving to death and filthy and dirty This guy was as clean as a whistle and around his neck he had the most gorgeous miniature painting of himself

1:54:17in Shinto robes I took his dog tags and papers he had in a side pocket and turned them over to military intelligence They're the ones who told me his name something that has haunted me for my entire life They said now quoting them quote This is a second lieutenant They don't call them that but he's like a lieutenant in their special landing forces their marines and his name was Ryuki Yanagara Now quoting the Marine again quote

1:54:47I'll tell you I cannot remember the names of so many people to whom I owe so much but I remember his name It's terrible to find out the name of somebody you killed Later I was in Japan with the Dow Chemical Company and I ran an article in the newspaper and the article said quote Anybody interested in knowing about Ryuki Yanagara special landing forces in World War II please contact Harry Clark at such and such a

1:55:18hotel and then he says At my age I'm forgetting so many things but the last thing I'll ever forget is Ryuki Yanagara end quote I once again remind us all to remember what is in the memory banks of these guys and long after we've forgotten about the war they haven't forgotten about the people they killed the people they lost the friends and the visions that haunt their nightmares By the time the New Georgia campaign kicks off

1:55:48the most important and well-known figure in the Japanese military is not around to see it The great Admiral Yamamoto who is head and shoulders above most of the other all of the other Japanese military officials will be shot down by American pilots on April 18th 1943 The result once again of American intelligence advantages and crypto analysts who are able to decode the Japanese messages announcing that Yamamoto is going to be in the region they ambush him

1:56:19they shoot him he's found later with two .50 caliber bullet wounds apparently sitting in his chair after the plane that he is in is shot down and crashes in the jungle and one American said that this was the equivalent of winning a large battle against the Japanese that there is no other Japanese military officials anywhere near his caliber and for the Americans we had said during the Battle of Midway that it was essentially like paying back

1:56:49an Osama bin Laden when the Americans sunk those Japanese carriers well from the American point of view an Admiral Yamamoto is like an Osama bin Laden and so to be deprived of his leadership at this point in the war is almost symbolic of where things are going for the Japanese war effort because by mid-1943 things are starting to look extremely bleak and in hindsight you can see that it's getting impossible to imagine things turning out in

1:57:20any way shape or form the way the Japanese would hope I mean if you look at the number of aircraft carriers that the U.S. puts you know into operation from late 1942 all through 1943 it's something like seven big carriers and a ton of escort and light carriers the Japanese are commissioning very few ships and the attrition is taking a toll on a bunch of ships that normally you don't pay attention to you know everyone focuses

1:57:50on the big ships and the important ones but there's a lot of things like destroyers and transports and things that are vitally important to day-to-day operations that are being destroyed regularly and they're not being replaced regularly in fact some of the really heartbreaking things that you read about in this campaign if you're Japanese are the numbers of Japanese soldiers that end up drowning when their transports are sunk I mean I think there was thousands and thousands

1:58:21in one incident alone that went to the bottom of the sea before they ever even got to land and fight as we said if you're a Japanese parent of a soldier that didn't come home I think you'd have every right to be extremely disappointed and that might be putting it mildly at the way the war was conducted and the lack of any sort of real sense of value in the lives of the average Japanese soldier in

1:58:54November 1943 the U.S. Navy launches another line of assault in the Pacific War this one will be an island hopping campaign through the central Pacific so we've been in the southwest Pacific up till now right Australia New Zealand New Guinea the Solomons all those places New Georgia Guadalcanal but now I mean this area the Gilbert Islands is like 1200 miles from Guadalcanal a whole different line of assault that will eventually take the U.S.

1:59:25Navy towards the Philippines and towards some of the most iconic island assaults in this war places like Iwo Jima but they start with another iconic assault on a coral atoll in the Gilbert Islands that's iconic for a completely different reason it's called Terrawah and Ian W. Toll in The Conquering Tide says that it was the proudest and most terrible day in the history of the Marine Corps where Murphy's Law and I've said Murphy's Law is never

1:59:58more applicable than in war where everything that can go wrong does go wrong and the only saving grace for the Marine Corps in the whole affair is that many important lessons will be learned and that the price the Marines will pay at Terrawah will almost certainly save the lives of a lot of Marines later in the war places like Iwo Jima for example but the lesson is so sobering that this is why and I'd mentioned this

2:00:30earlier in the series this is why my naval from the Pacific War stepfather said don't ever join the Marines because he'd seen the kind of situations they found themselves in and he wanted his stepson to return home alive all you have to do is look at the photographs and they are shocking of Marines chest deep in water on coral reefs wading with their rifles over their head towards the shore as Japanese machine guns something like a

2:01:03hundred of them crisscross the water shooting down the Marines when they're absolutely helpless trying to just get to the shore Terawah is nightmarish then the bombardment that starts on the 13th 14th 15th of November they will shoot drop and lob something like six million pounds of ordnance onto this little teeny place I mean the fighting area is about half the size of New York Central Park the island is heavily though fortified and protected there's about 5,000

2:01:36Japanese troops there the admiral that is in charge of them says that a million troops could not take that island in a hundred years in the Encyclopedia of Military History Ernest and Trevor Dupuis describe the situation this way quote November 20th 24th 1943 Terawah Bay Show Island citadel of the atoll an area of only 300 acres flat and sandy had been honeycombed with underground shelters and some 400 concrete pillboxes bunkers and strong points defending artillery included

2:02:088 inch guns brought from Singapore the island was ringed by a coral reef its opening studded with submarine mines and the beaches laced with barbed wire insufficient reconnaissance and faulty maps had not disclosed that the inner coral reef of Bay Show itself was too shallow for landing craft despite the heavy preliminary bombing and naval gunfire 4700 veteran combat troops under Rear Admiral Kiiji Shibasaki emerged from their underground shelters to man their defenses as the initial assault

2:02:39waves of the 2nd Marine Division approached while some amphibious tractors reached the beach they write most of the assault craft grounded on the inner reef and the assailants were forced to wade several hundred yards through crisscross fire suffering shocking losses end quote to say that doesn't do justice to what the marines encountered some of the eyewitness assaults do a better job I should point out that these atolls are very different than Guadalcanal and New Guinea they don't have giant mountains like Guadalcanal and New Guinea do the high points on some of these atolls are like

2:03:1610 feet above sea level and they don't have dense jungle to hide you either they're pretty open the good news is not a lot of places where you're going to get terrible malaria like you do on the Solomons and whatnot the bad news is when the Japanese start shooting at you there's no place to duck cover and get out of the way the marines will initially pile up on the beach behind a giant retaining wall that the Japanese made out of cut coconut trees and the logs stacked up so you see these marines who arrive

2:03:53in the first wave they have the landing craft there's a small number of landing craft that have tracks and the tracks go right over the coral reef and land them on the beach and they're stuck there waiting for the subsequent waves of troops to join them those are the waves in Higgins boats a different kind of transport craft that get caught up on the reef while the Japanese are beginning to blow them up with accurate fire and sometimes the drivers of these boats begin to panic there will be quite a bit of animosity and I

2:04:30think we mentioned this very early on between the marines and navy and coast guard drivers who will drive them from the ships to these beaches they storm because sometimes those guys don't want to get anywhere near the beaches that these marines have no choice but to assault the eyewitness accounts are brutal there's a time life book series a whole series on the second world war and they have one book called island fighting with a lot of primary source accounts that bring the chaotic and heartbreaking well I guess unless you're Japanese scenes to life one of

2:05:07the ones that caught my attention specifically had to do with some of these vehicles being blown up in the water as they went from the transport ships trying to get the marines to the beach here's the way the book describes it quote only a handful of Amtraks remained to shuttle them meaning the marines in across the lagoon reef in fact there were no Amtraks at all in sight when Major Robert Rudd's 3rd Battalion 8th marines reached the reef opposite Red Beach 3 in Higgins boats as the ramps of the boats came down marines on shore

2:05:44heard a sound quote like a steel girder hitting concrete end quote and one of the boats disappeared quote it had been there said one eyewitness and then suddenly it was not in its place for a split second there was a blur in the air and then there was nothing end quote then came another grinding crash and a second boat vanished the Japanese had the exact range beyond the reef the coxswain of the 3rd boat panicked quote this is as far as I go he yelled and let down his ramp and a boatload of heavily laden

2:06:21men drowned in 15 feet of water end quote well the ones that didn't drown found themselves sometimes in neck deep water on a coral reef that could cut right through your shoes holding their rifles over their heads as the machine guns raked the sea around them quote the remainder of Rudd's battalion began wading in few lived to tell of it but there were many witnesses colonel Shoup radioed major crow quote rude is landing to your rear

2:06:54and catching hell end quote crow and his men could see for themselves so could a sailor on the dashiel in the lagoon that's a destroyer watching through binoculars later he recalled and this is the recollection quote it was like a war movie those poor guys plodding in chest high water and getting shot down i tried not to look but i couldn't turn away the horror of it hypnotized me if i get to be a hundred years

2:07:27old i'll always remember end quote overhead the story continues in the battleship maryland scout plane lieutenant commander robert mcpherson watched too he wrote in his log quote the water seemed never clear of tiny men their rifles held over their heads slowly wading beachward they kept falling falling falling singly in groups and in rows end quote the description ends with this quote some of the waders made it to relative safety under the pier others trudged on towards

2:08:00shore through water tinged pink and whipped by bullets many died quickly some died slowly wounded and struggling to keep their heads above water as the blood drained out of them and their packs pressed them down some stepped into holes and drowned some died trying to help wounded buddies heads and limbs of the newly slain bobbed gently in the swell the dead from the first assault waves floated stiffly like logs end quote the chaos at shore was

2:08:33very apparent when the marines managed to get something like six medium tanks ashore but in order for the tanks to move up and help they would have had to have rolled over and crushed marine dead and wounded which they refused to do but then when trying to get around them ended up falling into holes for the most part and once again like so much in this conflict it's average infantrymen that have to go up and average

2:09:07marines that have to go up and destroy all of these japanese strong points by hand and by the time it's over with so are the japanese of the 4700 japanese defenders on the island 17 prisoners are taken and most of them grievously wounded a lot of japanese will kill themselves by shooting themselves with their own rifles pulling the triggers with their big toes and of the marines well ernest and trevor dupuis say this quote terawa in

2:09:40ratio between casualties and troops engaged ranks among the costliest battles in american military history its lessons brought about many improvements in amphibious assault techniques correcting the manifest mistakes committed there end quote saying that the marine casualties on terawa would end up saving marine lives later in the war by teaching invaluable lessons on how you conduct amphibious warfare is cold comfort to the families of the dead we had said earlier that japanese parents of dead japanese soldiers

2:10:13would have every right to think about their young people their loved ones as being sacrificed admiral nimitz received tons of letters and one of them is quoted in the time life book just saying you killed my son at terawa imagine getting a bunch of those according to the encyclopedia of military history marine losses taking these places in the gilberts were 985 dead marines and 2193 wounded ones fighting as we said in a territory about half the

2:10:47size of new york central park the american public was shocked by the results and doubly so because franklin roosevelt made the executive decision to do something that was rare and allow footage of american corpses floating off the beach to be shown in theaters he thought the american public needed a jolt in the fabulous documentary i mentioned earlier hell in the pacific it said that the shock did indeed result in an increased number of war bonds being

2:11:22sold but it also resulted in marine corps recruitment dropping for the same reason my stepdad probably didn't want me in the marines and he called it a suicide squad and when you saw those elite marines waiting 700 yards in chest deep water under machine gun fire well if you're a parent you probably don't want your son doing that the marines didn't want their people doing that either and what their marines paid a high price for learning

2:11:56at terawa will be employed later as we said reminds me of douglas haig on the western front the british commander there that took so much flack for being a butcher but fans of douglas haig say that what he learned in those terrible battles that got him that nickname assured that there would be less loss of life later in the war marines at places like iwo jima later will benefit from the sacrifice of marines at terawa now

2:12:31douglas haig of course is a first world war general and if you look at the difference between tactics strategy and equipment in 1914 the first year of the first world war and 1918 the last year of the first world war right a mere four years it is astounding and i believe we said when we talked about the first world war it's like technology on steroids and in the modern world war has that effect and you see

2:13:05it in the second world war also by 1943 the allies aren't just churning out tons more stuff than the axis right it's not just a quantitative advantage it is beginning to show a huge improvement in quality as well the united states for example had poor for the most part poor aircraft when the war started there were some exceptions by 1943 much much better aircraft are making appearances and being deployed i mean the p38 the famous lightning

2:13:40that was a 1942 plane really but in 43 it's it's all over the place in 43 you start getting p47s you start getting corsairs the f4u the p51s are still a little ways away but you do start getting b29 super fortresses rolling off the assembly lines new carrier aircraft hell divers i mean it's going to be the fact that the japanese especially are not going to be able to take advantage of improvements in technology to anywhere

2:14:14near the same degree if you're an aircraft fan from the second world war you know that they're constantly all the powers are trying to take advantage of what you learn in combat and come up with variants of your planes or new versions so take the me 109 the german aircraft well there was an me 109 a b c d e finally you get to like the g's and stuff and they're all better right taking advantage of

2:14:45newer stuff the americans will do the same thing the british should do the same thing the russians will do the same thing but the japanese fall behind on that too they had the zero fighter that was such a great fighter when the war started but as the war goes on the japanese aren't getting much better and their enemies are so you combine the fact that you're going to have a ton more aircraft being churned out by allied factories and this aircraft is going to start out stripping the japanese aircraft in quality too it's not just

2:15:22aircraft that are getting qualitatively better i mean for example in 1943 you start seeing late 42 actually but in 43 you start seeing the essex class aircraft carriers rolling off the assembly lines my dad served on the essex in the korean war the essex is one of these carriers that actually takes advantage of wartime experience to make a better design as we should remember in the second world war everyone expected battleships to be the big important you know queen of the seas when it turned out to be aircraft carriers the aircraft carriers that japan and

2:15:58the united states had for example were ones that were designed before the war before they knew that these were going to be the dominant ships and before they had any chance to incorporate real wartime lessons into the design the essex class carriers are different and people who talk about them i was reading a whole thing on them just the other day were saying that they're they're significantly better than the pre-war aircraft carriers the japanese are not going to get a chance to incorporate those wartime lessons in ship design anywhere near as effectively because they produce

2:16:35so so many fewer ships the japanese are going to rely on converting battleships that are under construction into aircraft carriers i mean they're going to try stopgap measures to help themselves meanwhile the united states is creating like seven eight nine new fleet carriers a year i mean it's it's a dynamic that the japanese can't win it's a steam roller by 43 and 1943 shows you that the axis are beginning to lose everywhere we said the beginning of 1942 to the end of 1942 it's like night and day but once 1943 rolls around this is a

2:17:12one-way street when it comes to how things are going 43 is a terrible year for the axis 44 is worse and of course 45 is nightmarish 1943 is the year that the allies kick the axis powers out of north africa they then quickly cross the mediterranean and invade the island of sicily then they quickly cross from the island of sicily to italy and knock the italians out of the war mussolini is deposed in 1943 so he's one of the big three right tojo hitler and mussolini the germans flip out as you might imagine when italy

2:17:48decides it's going to declare war on them now and they quickly occupy the country and they start fighting the british and american forces in the tough mountainous terrain of italy with mussolini controlling sort of a rump symbolic state that's propped up by hitler but the writings on the wall also in 1943 the bombing of german cities really ramps up 42 saw you know the thousand bomber raids and all that but by 43 it's almost round the clock bombing the british at night the americans by day and eventually this will begin to take its toll on

2:18:25german quality because german designs will be almost captain america ish you know crazy technological stuff you know jets and all these other things but slowly but surely you see the whittling down of german parts and the tool and die industry and the ball bearings and all these things that suffer from the bombing so that by 1945 you may have these really sophisticated german designs but the internal parts and whatnot are substandard by german standards and so

2:18:55that will begin to erode some of the value in these high-tech designs and will also make it harder for the germans to churn out some of this cutting-edge stuff in any sort of numbers that could make a difference on the eastern front the soviets are now by the end of 1943 pushing the axis forces irrevocably and irreversibly back toward the frontiers of germany all the conquered territory that the germans had taken in 1941 and 1942 is

2:19:26being won back at huge costs by the soviets and even though some areas will remain in german hands longer than others the long fighting retreat back towards germany has begun and of course in britain the stockpiling of troops and aircraft supplies equipment and transport ships is well underway for the long-awaited much-anticipated reinvasion of western europe that will culminate with the june 6 1944 landings at d-day in normandy so the axis is in real trouble by the

2:19:57end of 1943 you can see how things are speeding up in the pacific by the fact that the allies the americans especially start increasing the speed of their timetable beyond what they thought they would they'd had estimates for how long it would take to move from this island to that island and they throw those timetables out and they start going more quickly what's more the fact that they have control over a lot of the code breaking

2:20:29as we said and the intelligence allows them to see where the japanese are deciding to put their reinforcements right they'll reinforce this island and then that island so the americans will go to other islands it is absolutely a confounding strategy for the japanese this is really the point in the war where you can find yourself as i do now somewhat morally conflicted by how you feel about the japanese situation because on one hand in the in

2:21:00the so-called good war that the second world war is portrayed as these are the bad guys and to feel sorry for them is like feeling sorry for nazi germany but i always try to remind myself that there are a lot of people in a place like japan who didn't support where things are or wouldn't have and they're trapped along with the people that maybe deserve some level of retribution and all of them i would think have

2:21:31some bone to pick or a good argument to be made against a government that puts them in the situation that they find themselves now because they're about to reap the whirlwind we've said all along that japan this whole time has been punching above its weight class how astounding their conquests have been to this point because japan has no right to expect that they could do what they've done we compared it to the japanese rising sun going

2:22:02supernova and the explosion has taken the blast radius to the borders of india in one direction to the borders of the soviet union in the north all the way to midway island you know nearing hawaii in the west and down south all the way to new guinea in the solomons it's an amazing achievement for a small island nation and a nation that is resource poor a nation whose industry is only formidable when compared to its regional

2:22:33competitors but but punching above your weight class often doesn't last and they're about to find out exactly why they're forced to use their human capital in such a reckless and heartbreaking fashion because they have to make up for the material capital that they lack in w tole in them the conquering tide has a story that just perfectly exemplifies how ridiculously outclassed the japanese are at this point in the war once the the great arsenal of democracy

2:23:03in the united states for example has ramped up and you see big companies like boeing and grumman and douglas these aircraft companies that are churning out assembly line production of planes and the japanese still have skilled small craftsmen churning out theirs and he tells a story about how the mitsubishi plant that is making the zero fighters has no airfield next door to it and so they have to transport the newly made zero fighters can't do it

2:23:33on a truck apparently they're too fragile can't do it on railroads there's no rail heads near the factory so they use beasts of burden to do it oxen towing these fighter planes the 25 miles that they need to go and by this time in the war they can't get feed for the oxen except on the black market and when that starts to fail toll says the oxen start to die and so they can't get the planes

2:24:04the 25 miles they need to get them so that they can be used think about how much of a disadvantage that puts the japanese in and think about how symbolic it is that that this country who has to use oxen to move 20th century aircraft the situation they find themselves in when they're facing the united states at this point in the war in mid-1944 the united states begins to turn the very strategy that had been part

2:24:34of the defense plans of japan against them we have said for a long time now haven't we that the japanese plan here was to have a a chain of island outposts a defense perimeter made up of islands that had air fields that could throw up an interconnected web of air cover over the entire region shutting down sea lanes to their adversaries sinking allied fleets destroying allied bases on other islands this is just what the americans start

2:25:04to do it's turnabout is fair play time and if you look at a day-to-day rundown of events in the pacific war you will notice a growing number of air attacks over a wide range of territory almost all the time some of them are moderate in size but some of them are very large i mean for example on february 18th 1944 american carrier planes hundreds of them strike the japanese naval base at truck in the carolines now

2:25:35truck is uh the main naval base for the japanese in the pacific it's been called the gibraltar of the pacific it's been called the japanese pearl harbor but mcarthur's southwest pacific advances and the solomon island advances have already been cutting those areas off making them less valuable the japanese have had to rely on it less and less they moved a bunch of the big ships out but when the americans strike on february 18th they they destroy

2:26:05almost 300 japanese planes most of them on the ground they sink something like 200 thousand tons of shipping much of it crucial and vital and in short supply merchant ships they have some submarines they're helping the aircraft too and the american submarines are beginning to assert their dominance in a way that has only recently been acknowledged i mean they're cutting off the ability of the japanese to resupply any of these islands and the american aircraft wreck

2:26:35whole parts of the truck naval base the japanese are in no position to repair facilities like this they've got to pick and choose where they can operate and where to put precious fuel and where to risk things like merchant ships and there's going to be several major events where a whole merchant ship fleets will go down taking hundreds or thousands of japanese fresh troops on the way to somewhere or being evacuated from somewhere else to the bottom of the sea it's becoming hard for the japanese to move unfortunately for them the americans are doing a

2:27:12darn good job of it against all odds the logistical challenges i mean if you actually it's kind of the non-sexy side of war as we've been saying if you go look at the actual things the americans have to do to supply their people over thousands and thousands and thousands of miles of ocean it is a triumph of modern industrial skill and logistics as we've said the americans have been starting the central pacific campaign and that's what terawa and the gilbert islands was part of but in february 1944 you get the next jump look at your

2:27:48map right from the gilberts all the way to the marshals so in the first week of february the americans take kwajalein in the third week of february they take an iwatak now these islands are fought over and they're deadly but they're nothing like terawa and that's partly because of what was learned at terawa now the problem for the japanese though is the next jump from the marshall islands is to the marianas and the marianas are part of what japan has now called the absolute national defense zone so this isn't an area that's on a perimeter

2:28:24that you're hoping to conquer out to and then defend this is part of an area that the japanese consider to be like home island stuff places like saipan and tinian and the former american possession till the japanese took it of guam if the marianas fall into allied hands the japanese have done the math and realize that the brand new american heavy bombers the p-29 super fortresses now rolling off the assembly lines yeah if they're taken off from air bases in the marianas which are closer to japan than hawaii is to california they'll be able to

2:29:00make the round trip to tokyo and back bomb the emperor's palace if they want to at will the b-29s have been able to reach japan from bases in china but that is small time stuff compared to the round the clock nastiness that the japanese can expect if the americans capture the marianas which is why they're part of the absolute national defense zone everyone realizes how big of a deal this is no one's quite sure when and where the americans are going to attack though because their timetables keep catching the japanese off guard and the japanese

2:29:36are not reading american codes but the british and americans are reading japanese codes at around the same time that the june 6th 1944 d-day landings at normandy are about to happen the great preparations for landings in the marianas are taking place and the challenges are you know everyone knows about d-day and normandy and that gets a lot of press but as a military historian naval historian craig l simons writes in his book um world war ii in the pacific the challenges are not even comparable between the marianas landings and normandy and he writes quote the

2:30:12american build-up for the invasion of saipan codenamed operation forager occurred simultaneously with preparations for overlord overlord of course the codename for d-day measured by firepower he writes the saipan invasion fleet was even larger than the one devoted to normandy raymond spruance the admiral commanded the overall invasion force that included pete mitchner's powerful task force 58 which by now consisted of 15 aircraft carriers seven battleships 11 cruisers and 86 destroyers it would provide cover for an invasion force that included 56 attack transports and 84 lsts those are landing craft carrying 127 571 soldiers and marines end

2:30:49quote for comparison purposes 15 aircraft carriers and some of these are light carriers but they'll still make a huge contribution 15 aircraft carriers is more than double the total number of aircraft carriers the u.s had in its entire navy at the time of pearl harbor so you can see how this one task force is bringing to the table firepower that the u.s has never had no one's ever had it's more than 500 ships that will finally

2:31:21you know take part in these saipan landings these marianas attacks simons continues quote the invasion of saipan also required a much longer sea lift than at normandy while the invasion forces for neptune overlord that's normandy had to leap 50 or 100 miles across the english channel many of the transports and amphibious ships loaded up at pearl harbor more than 3500 miles from the target beach for neptune overlord the landing craft could and did shuttle reinforcements and

2:31:53supplies to the beaches in a near constant rotation for weeks after the initial landing for saipan by contrast the men equipment the supplies and the ammunition all had to cross the broad pacific in a single giant stride eisenhower he continues had warned marshall that a shortage of lst's landing craft at normandy could mean that his invasion force might be stranded on the beach for as long as three days without resupply by design the men who invaded

2:32:25saipan would be stranded there for three months before significant reinforcements or supplies could reach them though of course he writes the japanese too would have to fight the battle with what they had on hand since saipan would be virtually cut off from support end quote in his book eagle against the sun ronald h spectre describes how the marianas are going to be a different animal than tarawa and the coral atolls was it was going to be

2:32:57more like those battles in the solomons and maybe even new guinea and he writes quote the marianas were much different from the tiny low-lying atolls which the marines had captured in the gilberts and marshals saipan tinian and guam were large and varied land masses with everything from swamps and sugarcane fields to high jungle-covered peaks and steep ravines they combined all the hazards which american soldiers and marines had learned to dread in their earlier island campaigns a

2:33:29fringing coral reef protecting a shallow lagoon rugged jungle terrain and lots of limestone and coral caves for bunkers and artillery positions end quote american intelligence has been very good as we said and they have a huge jump on the japanese because they and the british are reading japanese codes but they don't know that the japanese have about twice as many defenders on the island as the americans think they have that's going to be a nasty surprise

2:34:00the good news is that because the marianas are in the inside of the japanese defense perimeter the japanese don't have the defenses up to par yet because they didn't expect the americans to be there that soon so both sides are going to be caught a little off guard when the american attacks on the island start air attacks followed by big fleets i mean the american fleets over 500 ships this may be the largest fleet so far

2:34:32in the war and it rolls into the area and starts pounding these islands in his book the rising sun author john toland describes a japanese soldier's account of sitting through the bombardment waiting for the marines to eventually land and he writes quote battleships cruisers and destroyers began the final bombardment at 5 30 that would be 5 30 june 15 1944 by the way the dug-in defenders he writes along the beaches and on the slopes crouched through

2:35:04the ordeal prepared to fight to the death one made a final notation in his diary now from the japanese diary quote we are waiting with molotov cocktails and hand grenades ready for the word to rush forward recklessly into the enemy ranks with our swords in our hands all that worries me is what will happen to japan after we die end quote the marines and um and army troops too because there's going to be an army division

2:35:37in reserve here are themselves wondering about what it's going to be like and what sort of hell they're going to encounter when they get to the beach they are being given a little bit of information from exactly the wrong people um the americans of course like everyone like to listen to whatever the cutting-edge music coming out the new tunes from the states and unfortunately for them one of the djs playing the hits works for the other

2:36:09side john tolan writes quote a more ominous admonition came from a graduate of ucla an american girl of japanese descent who had been visiting a sick aunt in japan when the war broke out nicknamed tokyo rose by the americans she first went on the air as ann short for announcer and currently called herself orphan annie your favorite enemy now quoting tokyo rose's radio broadcast right before the landings at saipan that the american soldiers and marines would

2:36:41have heard setting up the next record playing their favorite brand new song quote i've got some swell recordings for you she was broadcasting just in from the states you'd better enjoy them while you can because tomorrow at 0600 you're hitting saipan and we're ready for you so while you're still alive let's listen to end quote and then of course she'd say whatever the song was right while you're still alive here's a little tommy dorsey for you

2:37:13something like that the japanese were great at the psychological warfare side of it and the soldiers and marines getting ready to hit the beach would have had just a little bit more to think about after orphan annie gave her broadcast when the actual landings start again you can see the advantages of the lessons learned at places like terroir because they have enough of the landing craft so that the marines don't have to go wading through the

2:37:45water with their rifles over their head being shot with machine guns the landing craft in an almost i mean they've really synced up how the landing craft hit the beach almost simultaneously now i should point out that despite a massive naval bombardment and aircraft everywhere the japanese were there and ready so the american amtraks and everything coming into the beach was working better unfortunately the japanese were also ready for the attack and ronald h specter writes

2:38:17quote the result was that the amtraks and armored amphibians churning toward the beach on the morning of june 15th encountered fierce resistance as the first waves left the line of departure tractor drivers could see large splashes thrown up by japanese artillery shells falling directly behind them when the landing craft crossed the reef and entered the lagoon the enemy unleashed a barrage of artillery mortar and machine gun fire marines crouched low in the bobbing amtraks listening to

2:38:50the whistle of heavy shells and feeling the sickening thud and jerk produced by near misses the amtraks and armored amphibians answered with their 75 millimeter guns and automatic weapons while planes from nearby escort carriers swooped down on the beaches like angry hawks firing rockets and machine guns and bombing targets just beyond the beach end quote he says in the first 20 minutes 700 of these vehicles and 8,000 troops came ashore think about that to have 8,000

2:39:23marines landed in 20 minutes that is coordination some of these marines though are going to hold onto a foothold that's as small as 12 yards off of the water by nightfall the marines have landed 20,000 men this is showing exactly how much of a science they've gotten this down to the problem is is that it's not going to be easy even now at night the Japanese will counterattack the beachheads they will use tanks they will fail

2:39:56but it's the beginning of the kind of battle that the Japanese are going to fight for the rest of the war when they're fighting essentially for the homeland they're also willing to risk much more now that the stakes are so high including their painstakingly rebuilt battle fleet there hasn't been a big naval battle in a while now the Japanese haven't wanted to risk something like this without a good chance of winning or achieving something worth the

2:40:29potential downsides saving the absolute national defense zone from conquest is deemed to be something that important and Ronald H. Spector in Eagle Against the Sun picks up the story quote while the marines were digging in for the night lieutenant commander Robert Risser captain of the submarine Flying Fish was peering through his periscope at a parade of Japanese battleships and carriers silhouetted against the coastline of San Bernardino Strait in the central Philippines about 900 miles from Saipan

2:41:02it was the biggest group of targets Risser had ever seen but he knew that the first priority had to be getting word of this fleet to Spruance and the Pacific Command when darkness fell the Flying Fish the submarine surfaced and sent out her message quote the Japanese fleet is heading for the Marianas end quote Admiral Spruance will tell his commanders that the Japs are coming after us with the largest fleet they've ever used also and it

2:41:35should be pointed out that on a historic standard these fleets aren't just the largest fleets in this war up till this time these are the most powerful fleets that have ever come in contact with each other in world history even up until this day in Hirohito's war Francis Pike puts it in perspective he points out that the largest aircraft carrier battle before this time period where you have aircraft carriers on both sides is the Battle of

2:42:08Midway where both sides put together muster seven aircraft carriers this battle that's about to happen is going to have 24 he says it's almost 350% more than the second most battle he says if you take just the aircraft involved this is the largest air battle in American history he says if you just count the aircraft it's the fourth largest air battle in all history anywhere and he says if you add what's going on at the Battle

2:42:41of Saipan with land forces and everything over there he says it's arguably the largest military naval engagement in history in other words an engagement that has both naval elements and land elements people don't think about it that way this is a perfect example of the kinds of encounters in the Second World War in the Pacific theater that don't get noticed by people that focus inordinately on the European theater there are no naval encounters in the Mediterranean or the North Sea or the Atlantic to rival anything like what's going on in the Pacific and if you're

2:43:14a Japanese sailor you would have every right to feel optimistic about the outcome here the Japanese are desperate for a decisive battle and it looks like they've scraped together the proper forces to get one and over and over you read these remembrances by Japanese sailors who are looking out over the balcony and can see this fleet that is so much more powerful than even the fleet they struck Pearl Harbor with I mean just take the two largest battleships that human beings have ever put afloat and they're with this Japanese fleet the famous Yamato and her

2:43:47sister ship the Musashi whose 18.1 inch guns have never been fired in anger they're going to be fired in anger now the Japanese figure and then they've got their first new purpose-built aircraft carrier to come off the slips in a while the Taiho armored flight deck considered to be and you love this little poke in the eye of fate don't you consider to be unsinkable you may recall that that's the same moniker that the poor Titanic had and the Taiho has only been commissioned for a month right so you talk brand new it's brand new

2:44:20and it becomes the flagship the Japanese have a plan and it's a good one they're going to launch their planes which have significantly greater range than the American aircraft out of the Americans range so that they can hit the American ships but they can't be struck in return the devil though is in the details when you get to the nitty-gritty part of the reason the Japanese planes have this extra range is because they lack some of the things that the American planes are going to have like armor makes you light to not have armor increases

2:44:52your range increases your maneuverability but you better not get hit and they don't have things like self-sealing fuel tanks like the Americans which will again lower your weight just don't get hit in the fuel tanks or the fuel lines some of these Japanese aircraft are of a new improved type which as we pointed out all the major countries of the world are trying to keep pace with aircraft development the Japanese have fallen behind so it's great to have all these new aircraft the problem was is to go with all these new aircraft the Japanese have

2:45:25all these new pilots who can hardly fly these new aircraft and they're having accidents all the time in the post-war interviews with Japanese admirals they focus on this inordinately and it was not something that was really apparent at the time but these aircraft are being flown by Japanese pilots who have dozens of hours in the cockpit often compared to hundreds and hundreds of hours that the American counterparts that they're going to fly against have in theirs and you would rather have a much worse plane with a much more experienced pilot than to have a pilot

2:45:58who only has dozens of hours in the cockpit even if their plane's better and in the case of the Japanese their planes aren't better want to get an idea of the little things that show exactly how desperate the Japanese are the Japanese have fueled a lot of these warships with the equivalent of straight crude oil right out of the ground they can't even get the oil that they need for the ships boilers and engines refined and if they do get them refined they can't get the refined oil to where the warships are they have huge

2:46:30fuel problems and you know it because this straight crude is going to foul the boilers destroy the engines I mean you don't use this if you think you're going to have a fleet to fight next year and the year after and the year after that this is a sign of desperation as the Japanese fleet approaches the Americans on June 19th 1944 they begin launching their waves of attack planes now they are outnumbered by the Americans in carrier aircraft and they know this they have a compensatory part of their strategy to deal with this though they

2:47:05know they've got air fields on all these islands around Saipan and they all have land-based aircraft so they're going to add the land-based aircraft to the carrier based aircraft that they have and they may even outnumber the Americans and what they don't know is that for the previous days leading up to this the Americans have been pounding all these airfields pounding them whittling down all this strength the Japanese admirals are counting on cratering these airfields and making them next to useless if you read the primary source accounts of what's going on when the Japanese begin

2:47:40to launch these attack waves at the Americans it's funny because it's not what you would expect it's often a bunch of Japanese naval officers sitting in the command center of say one of these aircraft carriers and after they launch the planes they start looking at their watches because they know how long it should take those planes to get to the Americans and they're expecting to hear all this chatter over the radio and start to hear reports about what's happening and what's being sunk and all those kinds of things and they look at their watches and

2:48:16they're not getting anything back so then they figure okay this must have happened or that must have happened and then they look at their watches again a little while later and there's still nothing and you can sense the unease growing something seems wrong and what turns out to be wrong is that the Americans are not caught by surprise but instead are waiting for the Japanese the Japanese have added radar since midway so they've got some radar now but it's not as good as the Americans and there's very little of it compared to what the Americans

2:48:51have the Americans are not just loaded with radar they're putting it in airplanes now they're putting it in anti-aircraft shells the famous VT shells which instead of the aircrafts having to be hit with an anti-aircraft round to explode the American rounds will sense when the aircraft are near and just explode this will take a huge toll as well we had talked earlier about how the Americans are learning how to conduct aerial defense and by 1944 they've got this down to a science they've got their aircraft carriers protected with ring after ring of other warships including

2:49:27at the very outer edges destroyers that are on picket duty so that when the Japanese aircraft show up looking for aircraft carriers first they have to get through the defensive screen of American planes if they get through them then they run into the destroyers then they run into the cruisers after that then they run into the battleships after that all of them shooting and filling go look at pictures filling the sky with black puffs every one of those involving shrapnel going out in every direction and the Japanese do not make it through these defenses to

2:50:02get to the precious American aircraft carriers they get massacred by the American fighters one American pilot who's enjoying this unbelievable killing field says this is just like a turkey shoot and forever afterwards the Americans will refer to this battle as the great Marianas turkey shoot what you're really seeing if you boil it down to brass tacks is you are seeing veteran experienced combat pilots feasting on a bunch of kids basically on a bunch of people who've got no hours in the cockpit who can hardly land their planes on carriers and who are being torn to

2:50:38pieces and who gain almost nothing for their trouble while the aircraft are being launched by the Japanese aircraft carriers things start to go wrong already and an American submarine spots the wonderful brand new one month after commission unsinkable Taiho and launches a bunch of torpedoes at her in an incident that deserves to be remembered with the name of the pilot the Japanese pilot name and I hope I pronounce his name properly Asakio Komatsu is above the Taiho sees the torpedo wakes heading for his carrier and dives his plane at one of them and then suicidally

2:51:15smashes into the ocean destroys the torpedo that's heading for his aircraft carrier killing himself destroying his plane but not keeping all those torpedoes from hitting the Taiho one of them hits it and like so many of the Japanese carriers at the earlier battles doesn't seem to do a lot of damage initially but stuff starts to add up another American submarine spots the Shokaku which is one of the veterans of the Pearl Harbor attack launches a bunch

2:51:46of torpedoes at it what's kind of ironic about this is the American submarine doctrine is not meant to go after warships like the German doctrine it's meant to go after merchant ships it's the Japanese who build these massive submarines intending to utilize them against warships and kind of you know looking their noses down at the idea of attacking merchant ships and yet here you are with two Japanese aircraft carriers struck by American submarines and the air

2:52:17complement of these carriers being torn to shreds by American aircraft this is a sacrifice on the Japanese part that is heartbreaking and before the battle the heads of the fleet had raised the flag of Admiral Togo the Japanese naval hero who won the most famous Japanese naval battle ever the 1905 crushing victory over the Russians at Tsushima so they raise that same battle flag and they basically repeat Admiral Togo's message you know that the fate of

2:52:48the Empire rests on this battle and every man is expected to do his utmost which is sort of a Japanese version of the Lord Horatio Nelson the British Admiral's line and they do their utmost and they die while doing it author Nathan Miller in his book War at Sea a Naval History of World War II writes about the American planes finding the Japanese and beginning to lay into them and writes quote the two forces collided about

2:53:1990 miles from the American carriers pushing the charging handles of their 650 caliber guns and checking their sights the Hellcat the American the Hellcat pilots nose down from 25,000 feet on the 69 Japanese planes spread out below them let me stop here that's just one wave of the Japanese attack and Miller continues quote commander Charles W Brewer reported that his initial burst of gunfire literally ripped a zero to pieces before the debris had hit the sea

2:53:50Brewer was already on the tail of another fighter he accounted for two more zeros during the brief battle Japanese planes were quote end quote falling like leaves said one pilot and those that escaped got only as far as the line of battleships protecting the carriers before they were shot down by anti-aircraft guns firing shells with VT fuses those are the radar fuses some cartwheeled along the surface of the sea in flaming arcs and exploded in black

2:54:20geysers of smoke and seawater the only hit was on the South Dakota which lost 27 men without a reduction in her fighting capacity in all 42 Japanese planes were shot down by the Hellcats and the surface ship screen no enemy aircraft reached the carriers and only one American plane was lost end quote that was an example of what happened to one wave of the Japanese attacks but all the subsequent waves went the same way one American

2:54:51pilot said for 35 miles he could see burning wreckage leaking oil and on fire in the sea where all these Japanese planes kept falling into the water when the final numbers are tallied it is one of the most one-sided naval battles in all history the Taiho which had been struck by that one torpedo eventually blew up when the fumes from fuel lines spread to the whole ship and ignited several hours after the torpedo hit the Shokaku

2:55:23that was hit by other torpedoes turned over and sank the next day the Americans managed to find a light carrier the Hiyu and they sink that the only real drama on the American side happens when American planes try to get back to their aircraft carriers they had been launched desperately and with an understanding that the Japanese were too far away for them to hit and get back to their carriers so they limp back almost out of

2:55:54gas and the American Admiral does something that they did in an earlier battle as well and it's a it's one of those moments that's an inspiring one because with all the submarines and all the apparent Japanese aircraft that may still be out there and dangerous you want to run dark when the when the sun goes down you don't want to be visible but with American planes trying to find you and desperately land the American Admiral decides

2:56:26to light them up like a Hollywood premiere as one of the American pilots said they turn on all the lights then they turn on the landing lights and they turn the search lights on and point them straight up in the air and even though a lot of American pilots ditch into the sea they're quickly rescued and the final casualty totals according to Ernest and Trevor Dupuis in the Encyclopedia of Military History are quote the great Marianas

2:56:57Turkey shoot as it's called cost Admiral Ozawa 346 planes and two big fleet carriers and of course one light carrier U.S. losses they write were but 30 planes and some slight damage to a battleship from a single Japanese bomb which found its target end quote that is a crushing defeat for a Japan that needed a decisive battle but not a decisive battle that they lost what's more when it's over the fighting on Saipan is still just

2:57:29getting started and if Saipan falls remember all of a sudden Japan and its homeland are within range of America's brand new super heavy B-29 super fortress bombers the B-29 super fortress by the way is a fearsome weapon it is a preview of what cold war bombers will look like and it is a quantum leap from where bomber technology was a mere five years before this time when the second world war began and the Japanese don't have

2:58:00to try to imagine what it might be like to have their cities come under attack by this weapon because they need only look at their axis partner Germany and see German cities being converted from full-fledged functioning cities into rubble nightly and daily by allied bombing attacks by bomber planes which are nowhere near as sophisticated as the B-29 and when U.S. Army Air Corps personnel begin launching B-29 bomber attacks from southern China which are just able to

2:58:32hit the Japanese mainland they can't hit most of the islands they can't hit Tokyo but it's a warning that as they inch closer and as the airfields get closer to Japan and as the range of these bombers increases it's only a matter of time and it in April 1944 I think it's April the Japanese will launch their largest offensive of the entire war and it is little known in the West which I've always found interesting but

2:59:03I didn't know about it till about 35 years ago it's called Operation Ichigo half a million Japanese soldiers more than a hundred thousand horses something like 15 thousand vehicles and we've already explained the Japanese lack of resources and they can hardly get their fleet enough fuel to even move so something like this is a major endeavor so one would think well this must be for you know high stakes right if the Japanese win here at this

2:59:33Operation Ichigo against the Chinese you know should be decisive unfortunately and tragically if you're looking at this from the Japanese point of view it's not I mean they're really trying to create a land bridge between two areas they control and they're trying to overrun these American air bases so that the B-29s can't hit them from China by the time it's over the Japanese lose another hundred thousand of their soldiers they inflict something like north of 300,000

3:00:03more casualties on the Chinese for little decisive gain this is becoming a pattern in 1944 where the apocalyptic side of this war from the Japanese perspective just picks up steam I mean in the same time period the Japanese launch another attack in the Burma India theater which ends up going nowhere and cost them another 72,000 dead the fighting in New Guinea has never stopped in fact there's the Japanese are still inflicting casualties on Americans and Australians

3:00:34there and the disease which we really have not done justice to is killing and and incapacitating more Japanese more Australians and more Americans than the combat many times more casualties than the combat the malaria the the dysentery the many other infections and stuff that that are taking a toll of Allied and Axis soldiery is brutal as we said this is the theater where people starve to death and disease kills or incapacitates far more people than combat

3:01:04this is not how it is on most of the other fronts it makes the Asia-Pacific theater different and at this time period the New Guinea campaign the island of death is really living up to the hype as far as the Japanese post-war reputation of that place is concerned and after MacArthur promises no more BUNAs because the BUNA campaign was vicious he and the Australians managed to sort of bypass most of the Japanese cut them off from

3:01:34supply and leave more than a hundred thousand Japanese soldiers on New Guinea starving to death and dying of disease and then as we said you have the Battle of the Philippine Sea which just ended the Great Marianas Turkey shoot where the Japanese lose three carriers hundreds of planes and barely scratch the Americans it's a sign that the war is beginning to enter a new phase a phase where just like in Europe actually the Axis have lost

3:02:04the war but they're going to continue fighting the last year of the war is the most horrible but it's also a time when there is no doubt as to who's going to win it which creates a circumstance that just adds to a sort of a tragic overlay to the whole thing right it's one thing if you die for a cause but if it's a a lost cause already it reminds one of something like the last stands

3:02:35all throughout history I mean think of Thermopylae or think of the Alamo if you're an American right the famous last stand in Texas where an overwhelmed amount of volunteers at a little church or a mission in Texas get overwhelmed by the Mexican military that outnumbers them many times over but something like Thermopylae or the Alamo is redeemed somewhat because eventually the people that were able to overwhelm the last stand are paid back you know many times over right the Americans come in and defeat the Mexicans in a war the Greeks defeat the Persians eventually in

3:03:11this part of the conflict the Japanese are going to fight the equivalent of Alamo after Alamo after Alamo and Thermopylae after Thermopylae after Thermopylae but there's never going to be an avenging angel moment when the battle of the Philippine Sea is over the Japanese forces on Saipan and Tinian and Guam are on their own there will be no reinforcement there will be no resupply their job is to die and take as many of the allies with them while they're doing it now we should remember that this was always part of the plan right as strange

3:03:46as it sounds that this should be the plan but the Japanese were going to have these island outposts and then they were going to make the allies take them back and the assumption was the Japanese would be willing to take more pounding than the allies would take you know inflicting the pounding that's already been put to the test on a number of these places New Guinea the Solomons Terawa the Gilberts the Marshalls but Saipan begins a different segment of this war because on Saipan are a bunch of Japanese civilians as you get closer to Japan

3:04:21you start running into women and children and this complicates matters greatly and and adds a whole different sort of problem for the Americans and the Australians as they try to deal with these places because what do you do with civilians that get caught in the crossfire what's more what do you do with civilians that get caught in the crossfire who are thoroughly indoctrinated by Japanese propaganda to believe for example that people like the Marines are going to rape and murder them one of the pieces of propaganda said that a Marine could not become a Marine

3:04:56until they killed a close family member I mean if this is what you really believe you have a bunch of civilians that are almost as fanatical sometimes as the soldiers and you see this play out tragically on Saipan and on Guam Saipan most of all though and what happens on that island so shocks the American high command that they begin to make calculations that if this is what it's like on an outer Japanese island what will it be like if we actually have to invade the Japanese home islands are all the civilians going to be

3:05:31like this after the Battle of the Philippine Sea we'd said that the Marines had landed in force on Saipan they have misjudged the number of Japanese defenders on the island there's 32,000 of them which is about twice as many as the Americans thought this forces the Americans to bring in an army unit that they brought in reserve and they land the 27th division and then the Marines in the 27th division begin advancing up up the island of Saipan which is about 12 or 15 miles long Guam is the big one in the Marianas it's like

3:06:0630 miles long and when these units advance up the island of Saipan you see the American inter-service rivalry reach the boiling point and boil over the Japanese of course have the most famous inter-service rivalry of any of the major powers their army and navy almost hate each other sometimes I mean it gets into open warfare practically the Americans though not immune but at this point when the Marines are relying on the army and then decide that the army is unreliable all hell breaks loose something that becomes a big enough problem to go all the way

3:06:41up to the American high command back in Washington DC it breaks out into open discussion in the American media with some newspaper outlets siding with the Marines other newspaper outlets siding with siding with the army and what happened is this the Marine forces on Saipan were on both sides of the army unit the army was the center and the army was connecting the two Marine divisions when everybody advanced the army units were slower in the advance and what that meant was the Marines were able to move farther ahead of the army which imperiled their flanks

3:07:16and the Japanese infiltrators could attack them both the Marine commander on Saipan and the U.S. Army commander on Saipan were both named Smith the Marine commander was a guy named Howlin Mad Smith was his nickname and he proved that he would live up to it when he started berating the commander of the U.S. Army forces for being insufficiently aggressive and then he went to his own admiral and demanded that he be fired this other army commander and then the admiral fired him and all hell breaks loose when that happens the army

3:07:49not happy with that as you might imagine getting in each other's faces I mean it's really quite astounding many of the commentators I was reading would either take the Marine side or the Army side but plenty of them said that a lot of this disagreement stemmed from a very different idea of tactics and doctrine the Marines traveled lightly advanced quickly were willing to suck up more casualties in the hopes that by ending a campaign sooner the overall casualties would be lessened the army was much more deliberate they preferred to wait for things like artillery support

3:08:23they would they would hunker down you know at night and sometimes retreat to a better perimeter they were trying to save lives right use maneuver use technology use air and artillery to lessen the amount of casualties but what this meant was the 27th division connecting the two Marine divisions was not moving as quickly and this was upsetting the Marines the fighting on Saipan was also you know it's becoming a cliche to call it deadly but all these islands have different threats as we've been saying all along on Saipan it's caves the island is riddled with

3:08:58them and Japanese soldiers will hide in these caves and if the caves are not dealt with they will come out after the Americans move past them and attack them in the flank and rear snipers and all those kinds of things the problem that the Allies and the Americans find out though is that these caves sometimes have civilians in them and the civilians tend to be in the places where you least expect them and this makes matters more complicated and tragic Army Sergeant John Sider is quoted in Matthew A.

3:09:30Rizal's book The Things Our Fathers Saw and describes one of these caves that they come across and the Americans had Japanese Americans with them who they would often use as translators to communicate with the Japanese soldiers and would say hey you know come out of the caves and that's the story Sergeant John Sider relates he says quote we had this cave and we had two Japanese Americans guys from the Hawaiian Islands they didn't carry guns or anything but they were smart they walked right into the cave and talked to the Japanese soldiers they weren't going

3:10:04to give up our two came out and told us and then they went back in and told them they had five minutes before we were going to shell them then they went back in and told them they had three minutes all of a sudden we heard the screaming of women and children we told them to let the civilians out the Japanese wouldn't let them out that was their protection so it came down to dot dot dot they blew the cave up how many people were killed we don't know but that cave was closed they exploded

3:10:39it with dynamite end quote in Japan at war and oral history Haruko Taya Cook and Theodore F. Cook interview a Japanese veteran on Saipan who has a truly Reader's Digest type adventure maybe that's not the right way to describe it trying to survive the American assault on Saipan and eventually he finds himself in a cave like the one the American just described that they had to blow up the veteran his name was a Yamauchi Takeo and he describes finding this cave and running in it with a buddy for protection but there were already

3:11:14people in the cave including civilians and you begin to see the tragedy and perhaps a preview of what a war against the Japanese home islands might turn out to be like and the veteran says quote that sailor and I fled to the very northern tip of the island where we found a cave to crawl into inside were a Japanese non-com a non-commissioned officer I thought he must be a master sergeant that's the way he spoke several

3:11:44soldiers and some Japanese women with babies maybe 20 of them all together it was pitch dark at night I could hear their voices babies crying the sailor and I sat in the corner in the darkness without talking to anyone else there immediately above that cave ran a road American forces were all over the place the sergeant insisted that the baby's cries would alert the Americans kill them yourself or I'll order my men to do it that's

3:12:15the sergeant speaking several mothers killed their own children the veteran says now he talks about the Americans attempt to get them to come out quote now the Americans began to broadcast surrender advice over loudspeakers from the sea Japanese forces throw down your arms we will protect the honor of those who fought hard and who give themselves up we have water we have food their Japanese he says was a little shaky they said that they would resume

3:12:46firing after a fixed interval that was the first time I heard an American call to surrender but I feared that if I surrendered within sight of our own men during daylight I might be shot in the back end quote he then tells a heart-wrenching story of a civilian teenager many of the civilians had cyanide and they were killing themselves and he says that this teenager's whole family took the cyanide and killed killed themselves but seemingly gave

3:13:16her something that was fake so that she would survive and live and he said that he had to tell her you can't kill yourself your parents tried to spare your life you know they say that things like war and any big historical story is thousands of little individual stories added together like a mosaic this is truly tragic and yet at the same time you know especially in the years after the war one would hear a story

3:13:47like this and say well they asked for it they started the war and all those kinds of things which is understandable and yet at the same time one's tempted to suggest that there are a lot of innocent blameless or just um pawns on all sides trapped in this kind of matrix if you will if you can't spare some sympathy for Japanese civilians at least spare some for the Chamorros the people of Saipan who were there before

3:14:18the Japanese even arrived after the first world war thousands upon thousands maybe tens of thousands of those people will die and suffer terribly caught in the caves while the Americans and the Japanese fought it out in a book called Saipan oral histories of the Pacific War by Bruce M. Petty he recounts story after story told by Chamorro people who survived this affair and the loved ones that they lost along the way and the family tragedies that unfolded in front of them it's grim stuff as the Americans

3:14:53fight their way up the island the Japanese can see the writing on the wall in his book combined fleet decoded author John Prattus quotes another Japanese diary this one by a soldier named Nagata Kazumi and he's writing this it's thought on July 4th and his diary entry is a testament to what most Japanese by this time are clearly aware of that the end game is in sight and he writes quote the decision to make a final

3:15:25stand has at last been announced only Japanese officers and men will fight under such hopeless conditions the spirit of Yamato however is rendered powerless by the overwhelming strength and the heavy weapons of the enemy the island of Saipan is too small it is even difficult for me to hide myself and I'm only five feet tall our last day will be here in a day or two nothing to regret nothing to regret nothing more to do this

3:15:59is fate it had to end this way end quote on July 6th the general in charge Sato is his name will climb on to a rock have a last meal according to some anyway of canned crab meat and sake and then slit his belly with a knife or a sword while an adjutant behind him waits for the proper moment to shoot him in the head this is followed by Admiral Nagumo's suicide the victor at Pearl Harbor

3:16:32and the loser at Midway will dispense with any of the ceremonial protocol and simply shoot himself with a pistol at least according to survivors the day after these two commanders and their lives it's the turn of the rank and file to do so and we've been calling these charges these basically suicidal charges by the Japanese bonsai charges which is what the Americans called them because the Japanese soldiers would often yell bonsai as one of the things

3:17:06that they would scream on the way in to attack but the Japanese especially here on Saipan are taking part in what the Japanese term is a gyokasai and that means the breaking of the jewels and they will drink a lot of liquor get to a point where they're actually singing before thousands of them will explode onto the American lines this was not totally unexpected in Matthew a Rizal's book the things our father saw US soldier Nick

3:17:39Grinaldo says quote I remember it rained like hell that night and the water was running down the slope into our foxholes I had to use my helmet to keep bailing out you know the night before the bonsai I woke up that morning and oh Jesus Christ they the Japanese got above us and they were giving us plunging fire shooting right down into the foxholes because they were high enough to look down Lieutenant Gower he was my

3:18:13platoon leader he was regular army he was a good man he called us together the squad leaders he said I think we're getting hit with a bonsai we're going to have to pull back end quote let me point out that this happens like so many of these major Japanese attacks at night Grinaldo continues quote holy Jesus there was howling and screaming they had naked women with spears stark naked they took bayonets and strapped them on the

3:18:47end of a pole and they came screaming at us figuring hey the good-hearted Americans aren't going to shoot a woman you know horseshit there were so many of them like cockroaches coming out of the woodwork we had to pull back end quote I have a book on Saipan and it spends something like 30 or 40 pages covering this event with three to four thousand Japanese fighters swarming over the American front lines forcing the Americans to pull

3:19:22back there are plenty of accounts of Japanese sword-wielding soldiers who are hacking to death wounded Americans who can't get away chopping off heads it's it's medieval at times but it's also doomed in his book the nobility of failure tragic heroes in the history of Japan author Ivan Morris describes this specific incident and puts it in the larger context of the Japanese suicidal attacks the bonsai charges the gyokozai's and he says quote it was not only pilots

3:19:59or even military men who responded with suicidal desperation to the agonizing course of events in battle after battle from the Aleutians to Guadalcanal Japanese soldiers avoided surrender by participating in fierce suicide attacks which the Americans described as bonsai charges probably the most fearsome scenes of all took place on the island of Saipan in July 1944 when organized military resistance became impossible some 3,000 Japanese soldiers most of them armed with nothing but bayonets or sticks charged into

3:20:37the concentrated machine gun fire of the American marines and were mown down to the last man at times the Japanese corpses were piled so high that the marines had to move their machine gun emplacements into an open line of fire as new waves surged forward a particularly macabre note was provided by a contingent of wounded soldiers many of them swathed in bandages and leaning on the shoulders of their comrades who staggered out of the hospitals and

3:21:14infirmaries to take part in the last suicide attack subsequently he writes entire units of Japanese soldiers knelt down in rows to be decapitated by their commanding officers who then in turn committed harakiri hundreds of other soldiers shot themselves through the head or more frequently exploded themselves with hand grenades as the marines advanced through the blood-drenched island they witnessed one mass suicide after another end quote it was army units that were initially struck by this charge but

3:21:51after they were overrun and forced to pull back the Japanese reached artillery units behind them that were composed of marines and when they were finally stopped there were people like typists and cooks and people like that who'd been armed hastily and picked up weapons to try to beat off this terrible attack and when it was over the field was littered with Japanese dead more than 4,300 bodies were counted of the American casualties it was in excess

3:22:29of 900 killed and wounded and a ton of medals given out including multiple medals of honor most of them posthumously it was the worst Japanese bonsai attack or gyokosai if you prefer of the war the desperation is clear for all to see after the bonsai charge the Americans continue to move up the island compressing the Japanese into the northern tip of the island where there is a more than 800 foot tall cliff with jagged rocks in

3:23:06the sea below and that's where the final tragedy of Saipan occurs right in front of America's watching eyes as the soldiers saw it all unfold and it was filmed you can go see the tragic footage of this where Americans slack-jawed watched the civilians the Japanese civilians but also natives from the island begin to commit mass suicide again from island fighting quote Saipan was declared secure on July 9th but the final horror came after the fighting was

3:23:40over at the northern tip of the island lay Marpee Point hope I pronounced that correctly a plateau some 833 feet above a shore of jagged coral rocks and there hundreds of Japanese civilians joined the few remaining troops in an orgy of self-destruction despite loudspeaker assurances that the victors would treat captives well parents threw their children off the cliffs and jumped after them whole families waited and swam out to sea to drown themselves one group of a

3:24:13hundred Japanese bowed to marines watching from a cliff then they stripped bathed donned fresh clothing and spread a Japanese flag on a rock one man distributed hand grenades and one by one they pulled the pins and held the grenades against their bellies end quote there's also photographs of Japanese families who were wavering and didn't know exactly how to begin and hidden Japanese snipers from a distance would make up their minds for them and shoot them down

3:24:47there are so many bodies offshore that the Americans can't even bring ships in because they're having to plow their way through the human wreckage in his book The Rising Sun author John Toland actually has descriptions that are too upsetting to even talk about of the ordeal that the survivors who didn't die in these suicide attempts live through I mean what's it like when you're in a cave with your father your mother your siblings including some as

3:25:20young as toddlers and they have to have a discussion about what's about to happen I mean in one of his stories related by a survivor who did not die the father and the mother have the conversation about how they're going to go to a happy place and all these things I mean it is it is a human tragedy writ large and it's clear from all the accounts that it melts the hearts of even the adversaries here

3:25:54we've been calling this a race war war of annihilation a war of hatred but the marines and the army personnel who witnessed this they know they're looking at a tragedy and Toland tells the story of one American officer watching this with tears streaming down his face saying why do the Japanese kill themselves like this no one knows exactly how many civilians on Saipan ended up dying either through suicide or getting caught in the war casualty figures

3:26:27for the entire Pacific campaign can be wildly different from one source to another part of the reason why is so many people disappeared caves get blown up with people inside Japanese soldiers turn up years later suicides happen in remote places and the jungle tends to conceal a lot but I've seen civilian death totals between 20 and 25,000 people Japanese and Chamorro those are devastating casualties for an island this size 12-15 miles long 20-25,000 dead civilians it's

3:27:01a nightmare scenario as the war goes on and you're going to run into more and more populated islands every step of the way towards the Japanese homeland as far as Japanese casualties those vary too on Saipan between 27 and 29,000 Japanese dead are usually the numbers you see American dead and missing well Saipan's about um 3,500 a little bit more than 3,500 maybe American dead a couple hundred missing between 13 and 16,000 wounded remember that the

3:27:37invasion of Tinian happens right at the same time and the invasion of Guam happens right afterwards Guam is another tough fight but on Tinian it's about 320 Americans who die but it's like 5,500 Japanese and you start to see how much the kill ratio is turning against the Japanese in a way that you rarely see in modern war 10 to 1 ratio is becoming pretty common and on Guam the Japanese lose and I've seen anywhere from

3:28:14again wildly different figures in the Encyclopedia of Military History it says 10,000 men but many sources will say the Japanese lost more than 18,000 men on Guam the Americans lose about 3,000 dead and about 7,000 wounded the entire operation Operation Forager if you total it up the Japanese lose about 67,000 men out of 71,000 originally these numbers represent almost total destruction of Japanese forces you don't see this anywhere else it's a sign of how committed they

3:28:51are to the cause and how unlikely it is that you can break their morale and get them to surrender it's going to be a fight to the death and after Saipan and Guam and Tinian are through the Japanese know that at least the more insightful amongst their leadership that the war is decided but it's not over yet one of the naval chiefs of staff says after Saipan Falls that hell is about to descend upon us they

3:29:28know that the B-29s are coming and before the islands are even free of Japanese defenders Navy engineers the CBs come in and start building the airfields that the B-29s will use to attack the Japanese homeland on July 18th the military leader Tojo resigns he's forced to by the emperor and the other elements in the government two days later a bomb goes off in the German Empire is that a good way to call it the Nazi state

3:30:04and officers under Adolf Hitler had tried to blow him up in the July 20th plot so by July 20th Hitler's wounded in the bombing attack Mussolini as we said is already a shadow of his former self and falling Tojo's gone now so of the big three only Hitler's left the successors to Tojo in Japan begin to try to figure out a way to cobble some sort of peace together so the worst can be avoided but they

3:30:41have a lot of headwinds working against them including the emperor himself who in Herbert P. Bix's Hirohito suggests that he's going to die fighting and Japan begins to prepare for the sort of last ditch stand on the home islands that will make use of every man woman and child and Bix writes quote on August 4th the new cabinet decided to arm virtually the entire nation and have all subjects begin military training with

3:31:16bamboo spears in workplaces and schools throughout the country Hirohito the emperor formerly confirmed the new preparations for defense against the forthcoming enemy offensives at his imperial conference two weeks later emphasis was to be placed on air defense fighting the enemy in the interior rather than at the water's edge and the rapid development of quote sure victory weapons end quote which meant the large-scale production of so-called body smashing or special attack weapons designed to quote end quote

3:31:53exchange the life of the crew or the pilot for a specific military achievement end quote suicide weapons that's where we are by this time in the war we have been saying all through this series that the japanese are like everyone else only more so well in june 1940 when winston churchill was afraid that the germans were about to invade another island nation just like japan but in this case britain he gave a famous speech a speech

3:32:30that well might have been written by the japanese emperor himself he said quote we shall defend our island whatever the cost may be we shall fight on the beaches we shall fight on the landing grounds we shall fight in the fields and in the streets we shall fight in the hills we shall never surrender end quote he also had quipped remember you can always take one with you meaning every britain civilian could take a german soldier with them and that would eat up the whole german army because there were so many civilians well it sounds like the japanese were taking an inspiration from churchill's playbook here because in this final year of the war that's their plan and civilians are training with bamboo spears to make it a reality if you think the show you just heard is worth a dollar dan and ben would love to have it a buck a show it's all we ask go to dancarlin.com for information on how to donate to the show wrath of the cons punic nightmares apache tears and of course ghosts of the ostfront just a few of the classic hardcore history titles available from dancarlin.com every true fan has heard these favorites hey they make great gifts too coming up in part six the final installment of this series pelelu iwo jima okinawa macarthur's return to the philippines kamikazes an atomic war an armageddon of the sort that has rarely been seen in modern warfare all this and more in part six of supernova in the east of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six of supernova in part six