Prehistoric Greenland

Introduction

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Greenland History

1:38Hello, and welcome to this special episode of The Ancients. Now, as I'm sure you're aware, Greenland is and has been in the news quite a lot recently. Now, on The Ancients, we don't cover events of the modern day, but what we can do is shine a light on the incredible histories and prehistories of these areas of the world, and Greenland is a fantastic example of that.

2:09We want to promote the archaeology, the prehistory of this massive island in the north of the world, a prehistory that stretches back thousands of years, a rich tale of archaeology, but also mythology. What I loved about this chat is the wealth of archaeology that survives because of the cold conditions. Think of the snow and the cold conditions acting like a natural freezer so so many organic materials survive, and then combining that with mythology to learn more about how these

2:41people lived and how they viewed the polar world around them. Our guest for this episode is Dr. Asta Munstul. She is an archaeologist from Greenland. She also specializes in the mythology as well. She was so wonderful to talk to, so warm and lovely, and really shines a light on the people of Greenland and their long, long history. I really do hope you enjoy. Let's go.

Prehistoric Life

3:19It's 800 years ago. High up in the Arctic, a fire burns brightly, nurtured within a building made of stone and bone. Animal skins insulate the interior. The house is well built for the cold climate. The fire's heat does not escape. This winter house is home to several families, their wet outdoor clothes drying on racks above. Now they come together around the fireplace to eat and tell stories. Children run

3:53around, as they do, until they're finally told to sit and take their place. The storytelling is about to begin.

4:02Forward steps the shaman, a leading figure in their small community and the deliverer of tonight's tale. What was it to be tonight? Perhaps the story of the heroic hunter who slew the great whale many moons ago that still provides food for this community. Or perhaps a myth steeped in survival knowledge. Lessons for the young to take heed of in this snowy landscape. Or maybe a story about the spirits that lived in the world around them, in the beaches, atop the mountains, even in their own houses. Or maybe, just maybe,

4:40the shaman will talk about the majestic beast that crosses land and sea, covered in white fur, able to stand on two legs, protective of its young, with razor sharp teeth and claws that could easily end the life of a human. The dangerous yet fascinating bear that calls this polar world its domain. The children hoped for an exciting story. But tonight, their luck is out. As the shaman begins,

5:11it's soon clear that tonight's tale is not one of their favourites. Slowly, their eyes begin to close. Soon, they are fast asleep. Perhaps tomorrow, the shaman will treat them with a more thrilling tale of valiant heroes. Perhaps. Welcome to the Ancients and our brand new episode about prehistoric Greenland.

Prehistoric Greenland

5:34About the people who have called this great arctic island their home for centuries, who learned to thrive in this cold climate, and about whom we know a remarkable amount. This is a story of incredible archaeology, of prehistoric settlements preserved along the coastlines of Greenland – of organic materials, clothing, food, human remains that have survived in the permafrost. But this is also a story about mythology – tales passed down for centuries that reveal more about

6:06what these communities believed in. Together, these fields help tell the fascinating story of Greenland's prehistoric populations, how they lived, and how they viewed the arctic world around them. I'm Tristan Hughes, your host, and this is the story of prehistoric Greenland.

Guest Introduction

6:26Our guest is Dr Asta Munster, visiting researcher at the University of Copenhagen.

6:34Asta, it is such a pleasure to have you on the podcast today. Yeah, thank you for having me. You're more than welcome to explore the prehistoric story of Greenland. I mean, Asta, with everything that's going on in the world at the moment, it feels very important to highlight the long history the people of this land have. That does stretch back hundreds and hundreds of years into prehistoric times. Yes, it does. And do we have a lot of archaeology surviving, which has been pieced together by archaeologists like yourselves over the years to learn more about these people and how they lived?

7:07Yeah. I mean, I actually first want to go a little bit back to what you said just before, why it's important to understand that there is a long history. Because I think Greenland has often

Greenland Inhabitation

7:22been sort of talked about today as if it was empty, or if it was remote, or just newly discovered, right? But in reality, it has been inhabited for thousands of years, hundreds of years by people with deep knowledge of the land, the ice, the animals, and also the climate. So understanding that long history helps sort of counter the idea that Greenland is just a strategic space or a research frontier.

8:01It is a homeland for people, and they know that land, and they know it with their memory, and they have a deep culture of that space. And yes, to answer your first real question,

Archaeological Remains

8:14surprisingly, actually, we do have a lot of archaeological remains to uncover in Greenland. We have many sites along the coast. So if you look up Greenland on a map, you will see a big ice sheet in the middle. And of course, people have never lived there until we go back to the dinosaurs. But people have always lived along the coast of Greenland. And all the archaeological sites that we have are along the coast of all of Greenland, actually.

8:50And the archaeological remains that we have, we find settlements with house remains dwellings, we find caches, so people's sort of freezers in the landscape. Carnes, I can know. Oh, cairns, burial mounds kind of thing. Cairns, yeah. I always pronounce it wrong, sorry. And then all of this has mainly been preserved because of permafrost, preserving many items that would usually decay. So we have many organic materials,

9:22such as wooden pieces, for example. You don't find a lot of wood, but what we have might sometimes have been preserved. We have bone pieces, sometimes baleen, tusks, antler, sometimes even fur and hair can be preserved in those icy frozen layers. So excavating an archaeological site can be really interesting and really intriguing because it is sort of this freezer that have just frozen things in

9:58time. And then, of course, also in layers. So we can see this is not only one incidence, but also there is a deep history at various sites, for example. And then, of course, we also have stone tools. But the more exotic stuff, as organic materials, we also find that. No, but that is the incredible fact, isn't it? And you can look at other places that are very cold, whether it's in the Altai Mountains or high up in the Alps, where they do get those rare discoveries

10:29of organic material preserved in, as you say, these natural freezers. To think that there is so much of that surviving in Greenland that you have this invaluable record to learn more about how these people lived all along the coastline, as you say, all around Greenland. So not just like the southern tip, you know, further north as well. That's amazing. Yeah. Oh, and I forgot textiles. I mean, oftentimes we had skin clothing, but we also find fragments of textiles from the Norsemen, for example.

11:01You also mentioned in passing one of the things that survives is baleen. Now, is that whale blubber? Is that where they should be? No, it's the whale with this sifting. It's not their teeth. So it's called baleen. Yeah. And I've forgotten the name of that specific whale right now. Is it the bowhead? Is it the bowhead whale? It's the bowhead, yes. It's the bowhead whale. It's the bowhead whale. And it has this sort of sifting system in its mouth. So it swallows up a lot

11:32of water and then all the food is sort of sifted and stay inside the mouth while all the water is being sifted out. And baleen could be used for, because they come in these sort of strings and you can sort of pull them apart. And then you can make fishing lines that goes hundreds and hundreds of meters into the sea ice. But you can also carve it out. The hard bit can also be carved.

12:06I've got to ask for that straight away. So have people like yourself, have you discovered prehistoric fishing lines made out of baleen that went hundreds of meters into the sea? Not me, but some of my colleagues have. And you can see it exhibited at the National Museum of Denmark. And it looks amazing. It does. But I have been with modern lines. I have been ice fishing with my father in Greenland. So sort of going in their steps.

12:38And Asta, we were talking about this just before we began recording. Whereabouts in Greenland do you come from? Because it's not, once again, it's not the southern tip. It is quite high up in the, well, in the scheme of things in Greenland. It is. It is. It is called Ummanna. And there are several places in Greenland called Ummanna. Because oftentimes, you named places after what they look like. So you can recognize it in the landscape. Or you could, the name could implement what function, like, is it a natural harbor or

13:14something like that? This is where we hide our meat, or this is our hunting grounds for hunting reindeer. So the place name could often hint of those, of those functions, but also of what they look like. And Ummanna means a heart-like or heart-shaped light because of that mountain that you saw earlier. As a mountain which overlooks that, the settlement. Yeah. And it's sort of this, exactly. I had a look on Google Maps of Ummanna and I noticed that they also had a football pitch as well.

13:46And like a football team, which is like, just amazing. Even though it is absolutely striking. But back to the story of prehistoric Greenland. So it sounds like you have this rich array of archaeology to learn more about these people. But Astrid, tell us also about mythology. How

Mythology Importance

14:02important a source can mythology be also for learning more about these people? It is a rich, rich source that we cannot overlook. Mythology would be, and in many, many cultures, right, across the globe, but mythology would explain how the world sort of worked, and also how humans should behave within it, according to the social norms agreed upon. And so sort of spirits,

14:38animals, and also the weather, and people were deeply interconnected in these stories. And it was explained sort of how humans can fit into this world, but they are not the rulers of this world. So it doesn't have this anthropocentric idea that humans, they can just do whatever they want. No, humans are just a part of that chain. And so, and it goes to show even today, for example, so when you have killed your first seal as a young hunter, it was believed that it is the same seal that

15:18you will hunt for the rest of your life, if you treat that seal with respect, and if you treat it well. So you need to serve it some fresh water, because just as any other creature, it is thirsty. Just like when you get guests over, you ask them, do you want something to drink, right? But you do that with the hunting game as well. And you show that respect to the animal, and then it will sort of be

15:50reincarnated, and you are gonna hunt that seal for the rest of your life. And that's gonna create a sort of relationship between you and the hunting game. So there was this belief that animals were not killed because of your, your skills only, you needed to train on your skills, but you also needed to treat the animals and the rest of nature with respect. So when you would go out hunting for whale, for example,

16:26the whale was quite picky in a way, or you know, it likes fine things, the whale. So you need to put on your best suit, or if you can, a newly, a new set of clothing, when you go hunting for it, to pay its respect for that hunting animal, and to attract the animal to you. So there is something about you, what you put into the world is going to come back to you. Right? Yeah.

16:57How much of this mythology, how many stories like that have survived to the present day that have their origins back in prehistoric times? Is it quite a rich library of information? In a way, it really is. It really is. We have stories. I mean, because they are stories that were handed over from generation to generation, they could be hundreds of years old. And within archaeology, we like to date things, but it is difficult to date stories, right? Especially when

17:30they needed to be handed over for decades and decades and never be changed, for example. But when the colonizers came then, the missionaries in 1721, they started to write down or make some notes on some of these stories that they had heard from the local people. And today, when we look at those sources, we need to sort of peel it just like an onion, because they write down

18:05I have heard this ridiculous story told by the locals, of course. So we need to take away the layers to find out what did the locals actually tell them from that time. So already from 1735, we have stories being written down about what the locals were telling each other and what they believed. And then we have all the way up until 1981, those stories were recorded.

18:35So today, we have a database containing 2280 stories that were all collected over that time span of 250 years. And of course, the question for us is, is there anything missing? And there probably is, because there is also something about, might there be stories that you tell the outsiders that come and ask you, if the priests come and ask you, hey, what stories do you believe in, right? Do you give it all away?

19:10Or do you hold some of the stories back? And that is difficult for us to answer, of course. But even if some of the the stories have been held back, it is still a rich source for us today, because what we can do as archaeologists is sort of consult, but even do more than just consulting these oral stories. We can also see how archaeology can be challenged by those stories. So what I tried to do in my PhD thesis, for example, was

19:46to learn from the oral history and take the stories as seriously as possible. And what I learned was when we go to a site, we see a beach, we observe the beach, and we often think of it as the natural harbour. That is the entryway from the sea or the sea ice in the wintertime to a settlement, either by boat or kayak or by your dog sledge. What I didn't know, but what I figured out or what I learned from the oral

20:24stories was that the beach could also be an ally. So if there was a murderous person out there who wanted to harm you, or someone who had sent a tupilak, so an evil spirit to harm you, you could go down to that beach right in front of your settlement and pour out some blood or some urine. You could recite a spell to protect yourself. And then when that tupilak would arrive to the beach, the beach would rise up

21:01and become large stones and rocks that would crush that hurtful creature, right? And it's not for me to say, no, that never happened. Because it tells me a lot about the way of thinking about the world that I cannot excavate, but I know it through the sources of the oral stories. And I guess it's one of those wonderful things you mentioned earlier, like the importance of spirits in the natural world, in the mythology, that then when you go, as I'm sure we'll delve into some examples as

21:35we go along. You go to a particular archaeological site, maybe a house, you find certain objects within a house, which maybe if you didn't know the mythological context, you know, would look rather strange. But maybe certain objects, if you know the mythology stories, might explain why you find them in a house for some reason or another. You know, it may give more context into, as you say, what they believe, which gives so much more value to the things that you're finding. Certainly. But we also need to remember that in the Greenlandic context, we sometimes see

22:14everyday objects being used for ritual activities. So of course, when we excavate, let's say we excavate a house, we find a fork or a knife lying on the ground. And you think, oh, this is just for cooking, you know, and we cannot really say, was it also used for ritual activity? And we cannot take a sample from that knife. It's not going to tell us, but it just gives a different or

22:45a new way of interpreting some of these objects that we encounter.

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Archaeology Themes

24:10Let's go through some key themes in the archaeology now. First off, I must ask about arrival dates, roughly, when we know about when people first reach Greenland. Aster, how far back can we go? I mean, when do people first reach Greenland that we know of from archaeology?

24:43Mm-hmm. Well, Greenland is more or less one of the last places on Earth to be inhabited by humans. So the first people reaching Greenland, that happened 4,500 years ago. Okay. Yeah. So it's not that long history compared to other parts of this Earth, but that is the long history we have here in Greenland. Yeah. And do we know how they reached Greenland? Presumably, it's from the West. It's from North America.

25:14It's from Canada. Yeah. So the first people entering Greenland, they came all the way from Alaska, Africa, or Southeast Siberia, across Alaska, and then crossed Canada and into Greenland. Do we know much about these people? I mean, is it like the Dorset culture that it's called, or do they have much that survives? The oldest culture is archaeologically called the Saka culture. And then we have the Dorset culture,

25:47which is sort of in between. And then we have what is archaeologically called the Tula culture,

25:54also called the Inuit culture, which are the ancestors of modern day Greenlanders. And do they follow directly after those ones you mentioned previously, or are the earliest people who reach Greenland, are their migrations successful? Or is it, you know, the ancestors of indigenous Greenlanders today, do they actually arrive a little later, the Tula, as you say? Yeah, the Tula, they arrive the latest. So the first waves, we don't see connections

26:26genealogically between the different cultures. And when we excavate at the sort of gate into Greenland, which is considered to be northwest part of Greenland, where I think it's only 40 kilometers to Canada. So you can walk that when there is ice. When we excavate in that area, we see remnants of even cultures or waves in between those three that I just mentioned, but they never really went any

27:00further than just into the land. And then for whatever reason, they turn back into Canada. Right. And when did the Tula Inuit arrive and I guess then start being a bit bolder and, you know, settling more and more of the coasts of Greenland? Yeah, we see a difference from the Dorset culture and Tula culture. The Dorset and also the Saqqa, we don't find remains of sledges or them having dogs, for example, or kayaks. But we see that with

27:34the Tula culture. We see remains of them having dog straps and sledges, and they also have kayaks. And the big boat for multiple people, which is called the Umiak. The Umiak. Okay. And do we know much about the Umiak and how it functioned? Well, we often see historic paintings or depictions of mainly women sitting inside those Umiaks. And then

28:05the men would be sitting in the small kayaks and the women would be rowing it with all their gear, like their skins for their tents and the kids and the dogs. So the women were really tough. I can imagine. Yes. And so, is it naturally, therefore, that we have the earliest Tula settlements? Are they from that northwestern part of Greenland where they first arrived? Yeah. Yeah, they are. We see the first Tula people arriving at that gate, as we have seen before.

28:43And then they spread across the country. And some of the items that we see, for example, when you think about Greenlandic culture, many people think of the igloo, right? Yes. I was going to ask about the igloo. Yes. And an igloo that we understand it today as this sort of snow house. Of course, we cannot excavate igloos today because they melt, but we do find snow knives. And we find them from

29:15that gate in Greenland at the northwest part of Greenland. But we also find them all the way down to disco bay. So they have been using these snow knives and probably therefore also made igloos. But an igloo in itself actually comes from the Greenlandic word illu. And illu simply means house. So when we think about the turf houses and the stone houses that we see also later on,

29:46all the way up until 1930, some places in Greenland, these turf and stone houses should actually also be called illu. Right. Well, I'm going to get straight onto houses now, but you mentioned disco bay in passing there, and I've just got it on my maps. And that looks like two thirds of the way down, or maybe three quarters of the way down there. So it's a really far south of the original entry point. And I have in my notes here is one of those early settlements up that far northwest. Is it Ruin Island, which sounds an incredible name for a

30:18settlement for a place? Yeah, it is. Yeah. So at Ruin Island, we find some of the earliest remains from the Tula culture, the Inuit culture, and they date all the way back to 1150 AD. So that's some of the earliest sites that we have. And I think it's only six houses on that ruin, on that island, sorry. And then later on, we also see much larger sites. For example, when you go to

30:52Nuhlid, which is close to today's Bitufik space base, there we have a site with around, I think it's at least 30 houses and dwellings on that site. And that is because it's close to really good hunting grounds. So in Greenland, we have winter sites from the Tula culture, approximately about 2500 sites. Wow.

31:25And on those sites that have been registered, sometimes we have one or two winter houses, but other times we have up to around 30 houses on one site. And then we also need to remember that a house could be reused. So when we excavate the houses, sometimes we find two or seven layers of people who had inhabited that house. Amazing. Well, you mentioned winter houses there,

31:57so I feel it's time that we moved on to the housing of these prehistoric people. And yes,

Winter Houses

32:03take it away, Asta, with these winter houses. I mean, what do we know about the structure of these houses? Because looking at them online, they look absolutely incredible. They do. They are amazing and well-structured for the environment that they were built in. And the winter houses was only one type of house. So in Greenland, because it's such a large area, and also the seasons vary a lot, the winter house is only one dwelling. In the summertime, people would be staying in summer tents.

32:37That makes sense. And that was much more mobile. And in between those two sort of extreme climates, or seasons, you would say it's something that is called aqamma. So it is a construction that is a sort of hybrid between the summer tent and the winter house. So the winter house is built from the ground up, or actually it's dug around 40, 50 centimeters into the turf layer. And then you build

33:11your walls up from stones and turf that you cut in the area. Then you have an entry tunnels, an entrance tunnel, and it's around, it can be one and a half meter all the way up to six meters. And the entrance tunnel is going to work as a sort of cold trap. So because it is dug into the ground, all that cold air is going to stay in that entryway. And then you climb up, you crawl through that long

33:49entrance. It's crawling, is it? It is crawling to get in. It really is. You need to crawl. And then you come up into the raised floor area. And from that floor area, you can go to a raised sleeping platform. So because it is those layers, the cold trap works really well. And the warmest space inside the house is on the sleeping platform where the kids are running around, probably naked. So it's really well structured for that extreme environment.

34:24So it's really good of keeping the cold out and the warm thin. And could they have made a fire in there or would it have smoked out the whole house? Or was it adept for having a fire as well? To begin with, for example, at Bruin Island, we see fires inside in a small sort of kitchen niche. And then at some point they figure out, oh, this land that we have just moved to, wood is not abundant. So we need to figure out another way of doing things. So they start cutting

34:59into stone, soapstone, for example, and they make these soapstone lamps. And in the soapstone land, you can put some seal blubber, whale blubber, whatever blubber you have. And then you put some dried mosses that you sort of roll into small sausages along the side. And there you have a huge candle. And this candle, so to say, is going to give you some lights, but it also provides the house

35:31with much needed warmth. So you can also cook above that lamp. So it's also your sort of cooking area. And then even raised over your cooking pot, you could have a drying rack to dry your skins and your mittens and all of that from being outside. So it was really well structured. And of course,

36:01sometimes we see houses that was meant for only one family. But we also see houses that could be for multiple families. So to begin with, they are often rounded. And then the houses could also be sort of clover shaped, depending on if you have two, three or four families staying under the same roof. It's almost little niches for each family kind of idea. Yeah, exactly. And then that niche is for your sleeping platform. And then when you imagine you have

36:36that coal trap and you have your lamp going on, but you also have people's body heat and you could also insulate the walls with skins on the inside. So it could be really warm inside those winter houses. And were these also very communal places as well? Could you imagine, you know, several of these families in one of those houses gathered around a fire, you know, retelling their myths, you know,

37:07what their beliefs are. So, you know, that part to the story as well. To begin with, we actually see a sort of assembly house. People have their own houses, or maybe for two families. And then you have an assembly house where people can meet. It's called the gassi. That's where you meet, you could dance, you could sing, you could tell your stories and entertain one another. You could laugh and

37:37probably also spook one another because that's also a way of connecting with people. And later on, we see, and now we're in the 1600s, the middle of the 1600s, we start seeing what we call communal houses. And they are more elongated and sort of rectangular in shape. But you still have that entrance tunnel that you need to crawl through. And then you enter a space that it's more rectangular. And instead of

38:09having small niches for your families, they all have one long sleeping platform. And then you have sort of curtains dividing the different family compartments. So there you could, then you didn't have to go outside to the assembly house. You could just simply meet inside there to tell your stories. But, but the Angergog, the shaman of the settlement could also do his seances right there.

38:41I'd like to ask a bit more about shamans as we, as we go on, but it almost sounds a bit like a, dare I say, going too much into medieval territory here, but like a Viking longhouse or something similar to that. Yeah. Yeah. And so do we have, so it sounds like what you were saying earlier with, you know, you've got the summer houses as well and the igloos, but to survive in the archeology, to be seen today, to be recorded today, do we have more examples of the winter houses surviving because they are more, you know, they're more sturdy. They have survived the test of time better.

39:14Yeah, they have survived better. I mean, we register summer tents as well, which they only leave remains in the landscape as sort of rings of stone. But the winter houses, because you dug into the turf area and they are much sturdier, they need to be built to last a whole winter. And sometimes the winter house was probably even, um, not fortified, um, sort of made stronger.

39:51What would be the right word for that? Oh yes. No, yeah. Protected. You know, they're, they're, they're, yeah, they're in regards, Yeah. Or you at least maintain, you maintain the house, even if it has sort of fallen a bit down. Oh, repaired. Okay. So you repair it. For example, uh, if a wall is almost sliding in, you of course, uh, need to, to repair it. But the idea in Greenland was also that once you have built a house, then you're going to stay during that winter.

40:23But once you leave the house, it's not yours. So whoever reaches that house in the next autumn to occupy it during that winter, it's their rights. It's everyone's rights. So you need to, um, to be there first. So just because you helped to build it and you had sweat and tears and all of that, building that house, it, it, it doesn't matter. It's not yours. So we can also see where the

40:54good hunting grounds were depending on how many times, uh, did families stay there. Well, we'll go into hunting then after this, but I'd like to ask one more question on the, on the houses. In regards to mythology, surviving mythology, do we have archaeological evidence as well to show that these were places, you know, of spiritual and ritual belief? Or was there a lot of mythology linked to the houses that they lived in? We see sort of traces, uh, linguistic traces connected to the house. So you have the, that

41:29entryway that I told you about, that could be really long. That is called, and the dohluk means throat. Uh, so the, the dohluk is the entrance tunnel as well itself. And the dohluk is throat on any animal. When you are inside the house, the winter house has an ishluk sohluk, and it means the house's nostrils. That is the ventilation hole. Uh, so you get fresh air inside, especially when you're cooking inside.

42:04So the house also needs to breathe. And then you have, uh, the isikivik. Isikivik means a view. And that of course is very close to isit, which are eyes. And where do you see the view? You see that through your window. So the house also had eyes. And what is really interesting about this is that all of those three elements, so the throat, the nostrils, and the eyes, they are all three

42:40placed on the front wall of the house. So you don't have eyes in the back of the house. Uh, you have all of it in the front wall. So the house actually has a face. And that face was oftentimes facing the ocean. And the ocean in Greenlandic, um, world view is oftentimes where you get the, your food from, you get your food from marine animals.

43:14You can also hunt muskogs and, and, uh, reindeer, but you oftentimes get food from the sea. And we also find it linguistically in how you would communicate where you would go. So if I asked you, where are you going for hunting? And you're going to tell me, I'm going to go west along the coast. And in order to understand that I need to have that compass of yours as well. So I need to have my

43:48back against the inland ice. I need to have my nose and my eyes towards the sea. So when you tell me I'm going to go west along the coast, if we are in west Greenland, that means you're going south. And if you are in east Greenland, you're going north. Right. So it's sort of before we have north, south, west, east, you have this inner compass that is also

44:19more or less depicted in the houses. Goodness. We don't have this in numbers, but when I have talked to colleagues of mine, we sort of agree that many of the houses, they are facing the ocean. Gosh, that is incredible. I love that fact right there. I would also point out that if I was sent out to go and hunt up there, I would certainly not return alive. So thank goodness. Search and rescue right off. Exactly. Search and rescue would have to go out there very, very fast. But that's amazing,

Hunting Techniques

44:51that kind of layout of the houses that you can see in the archaeology. And do you see that all the way back to some of the earliest Tula winter houses that survived? So you can see that tradition continuing for centuries. It's difficult to say. I mean, because some of the knowledge we have from the oral stories, and it's difficult for us to, I mean, we haven't yet looked into, is this a regional phenomenon? Or is it really widespread in Greenland? And how far back in time does it go? So we do see

45:25indications of this. But it's difficult for us to know yet how common an idea it was. But we also need to think about what, because we have the same, some of the same mythology coming from Alaska and Canada. What is interesting in Alaskan mythology is, for example, that the raven plays such a huge part in their cosmology in their cosmology. And they have a story from Alaska where the raven is one day flying

46:02over the sea, the ocean, and he sees a whale. He sees this splash coming out and he gets closer and he allows himself to be swallowed up by this whale. And when the raven comes inside the whale, he finds out there is a woman sitting inside the whale and keeping a lamp. And the raven asks her, what are you doing? And she says, I am the keeper of the whale. I am the spirit of the whale. And if I

46:39don't tend to this lamp, the whale is going to die. And what is really interesting about that is that some of the the houses, for example, they did look very organic and roundish. So are they supposed to be representations of a whale? And then you have the soapstone lamb inside that needs to be kept, oftentimes by a woman, most times by a woman. And that might be an idea that was very common at the time. But it's really

47:16difficult for us to prove this. But it's just to say that there are ways of interpreting this and understanding it.

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48:45Let's talk on something which kind of links in with what you were saying, because you mentioned whales there, and you also mentioned musk ox. So Astor, how much variety was there in the types of animals that they hunted, you know, centuries ago? Do we know much about their hunting techniques and what they hunted? We can find some of the bones, for example, on the mittens that were placed right outside of the the houses. So in those mittens, we can find some of the bones after what meals they have had. So we do

49:21find musk ox and reindeer, seal, a lot of seal, different types of birds, also fish bones, if they were preserved, also sometimes fish bones, foxes, and hares, and walrus, and narwhal, and different parts of whales. Yes, different types of animals that would also tell us what part of the season did they occupy

49:54this house, for example. One time we were excavating, and there was 10 meters away from us where we were excavating, there was a bone from the neck, a neck bone from a whale. From the neck, okay, yep, yep. Yeah, a spine bone or whatever. A neck bone, no, no, it's not a mandible, is it? So okay, from that part of the whale. A kind of a whale was lying very close to, and we were excavating, this was

50:21in 2015, and we were excavating the mitten of an old rassi. So this assembly house, dated back to the 1300s, and it was fun for us to think maybe they hunted that whale, because of course whales are really difficult to date because of the marine effects. But we were excavating harpoon heads, mainly for walrus, and also we excavated a lot of tusks from the narwhal as well.

50:55But one of my colleagues, he managed to find this huge harpoon head, measuring around 20 centimeters. Wow, okay, that's a big one. Yeah, and that is definitely not for walrus, that is for whale, for that bow-ahead whale. So the people that live there might have hunted that whale, which remains we saw right there. Firstly, I love that we're now exploring midden heaps, the prehistoric rubbish heaps that they

51:31are and how much information they can reveal about diets and so on. And secondly of all, Astor, you're mentioning them using harpoons and massive harpoons there. So do we have a good sense of the types of gadgets that they use to help them when they're taking down a narwhal or, as you say, a walrus or one of these great whales? They had the tools with them and they had the expertise to use them to the best that they could. We of course have the tools that you mentioned, but we also know from historic times that, and also from Canada, that you would go hunting for

52:08whales in sort of crews. So you had an Inuit whaling crew led by an umialik. An umialik means someone who owns this boat, this large boat, because you need that when you go hunting for a whale. And then they would sail out in those umiaks and they will search for a whale. And one person will have the amazing job of being either the bravest of the bravest or the dumbest of the dumb.

52:44Because he would need to wear this suit made from, and I probably need to check up on this, but made from skins, seal skins. I'm just wondering if it was actually a walrus skin. But some skins, you have removed the hair and then it's sewn together to be sort of like a wetsuit. And then you would do the amazing thing to be jumping from that boat of safety onto that whale that you want to

53:18surprise attack. Okay. You have your friends throwing some harpoons into it with bladders that will keep it from diving. Diving, yep. And then you need to find the breathing hole on that whale. And then you need to put your lance into it and kill it. So just imagine being, yes, Tom, you are that person.

53:50You have been chosen. We like you so much. I don't know if you've, I don't know if you've watched the Lord of the Rings at all last time, but there's like Legolas who's on top of one of the big elephants, you know, kind of thing like that. It's, it's that mind boggling bravery slash stupidity, or like that heroism, isn't it? That one person. Yeah. Wow. So, but then if you manage to kill the whale, my gosh, you have food for months and blubber and bones

54:21and, um, yeah, baleen. Yeah, the baleen, as we mentioned, the fishing tackle and all of that. Well, I mean, as you mentioned, you know, so much food from one whale and I can imagine there must've been like mythologically stories of great heroes, right? Taking down the whale and doing that exact thing, going on the whale and, you know, sparing it. You can imagine so many tales being told around the fires in these settlements about these great heroes of old who accomplished this and brought in a great whale

54:53for their, their community, can't you? With that scene that you've just pictured for us. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, definitely we have stories like that. And we also need to remember that today, when I read bedtime stories for my kids, I have a book and I have, I read out loud from this, but in the stories, the settings of the stories is very social and sort of a relational situation. So you could be sitting around 40 people gathered together, and then you have the great storyteller

55:28entering, being really good at remembering all of it. And also being great with mimics and gestures and when to lower your voice and when to be really loud. Right. So it was almost a show before we had TV, but even through all of that entertaining, it's also teaching us what to do, what not to do. Oh, look, he did this stupid thing. Don't ever do that. Or he did this amazing thing. So let's all aspire

56:00to work on our skills and stuff like that. So definitely inspiring stories to keep people awake. And we also have stories that were supposed to put people to sleep and be boring. Different sort of functions for different stories. It's amazing. It's like, you know, yes, as you say, like the Tula Inuit version of Heracles tackling the great sea beast or land beast as well. I mean, do we hear of, let's say, are there interactions is perhaps a neutral word,

56:34but is there great combats against the big beast of the land up there, polar bears? Yes, there definitely is. And I mean, what a creature to be hunting down, right? So there are stories, but also we see it on ornamentation in some of the, we see polar bears, but we also see other animals being depicted as small figurines. So small boys and girls could play with them or throw their

57:06miniature harpoon after them practicing, right? But the polar bear had a special place in the heart of the Inuit because sort of as humans, it can walk on land and it can also swim in the water. So we sort of are in the same realms and also because it can probably look very human-like in a way. And you see mother polar bears taking care of its cups and it can stand on two feet just like humans. So the

57:43polar bear also had a close relationship. And we see that in the pictures and in figurines. They are also in some of the stories of an angagok. So when you train to become a shaman of the settlement, there are gruesome stories about what you need to endure to become the right set of minds to be sort of

58:14able to negotiate and see the other invincible world with the spirits. But you had to be eaten up whole by a polar bear. Oh, goodness. No, no, thank you. Yeah. That's just a part of the training. And if you could do that and still be alive and sane, then maybe you could become an angagok. Well, hang on. But you have to be eaten by a polar bear and survive it. I don't think that works. Yeah. So it's probably symbolic. But how that

58:50really worked, that's still up for questions. But it just tells it how important a role the polar bear plays. We see it as this animal of strength and probably also intelligence, even though other animals, just like the raven, was also intelligent. So, yeah. Astor, I could ask so many more questions about so many different things. I think I'll skip over

Shamans and Art

59:17asking more about the shamans, but they sound a bit kind of like the druids or, well, maybe not druids, but got a link to nature, but, you know, who can, who can talk with the supernatural and have a lot of, we can presume, you know, back even centuries and centuries ago, when the two lineage arrived, they hold a big place in societies. And that's kind of what we can imagine from them. Yeah. So the angagok was the sort of spiritual advisor of a settlement. Sometimes he was the same, he or she, it could be a man or woman. Sometimes this person would also be

59:51the leader of the pack, so to say, but other times it could be another hunter who was just respectful and he had authority, and then he would be the leader. So sometimes it would be two different roles, the angagok and then the leader. And going quickly also onto art, you mentioned earlier, like miniature polar bear figurines that have been discovered. Is most of the art that you find in these settlements,

1:00:21is it animalistic? Is it always depicting animals? Or what types of art should we be thinking of? We also sometimes have figures looking like humans, but actually in the Tula culture, the Inuit culture, we don't see so many carvings and so much ornamentation as we see in the Dorset culture. So the Dorset culture, we see the pictures of humans and it's much more such a rich material to

1:00:54look into. So why the Inuit culture later on were too lazy to do it, I don't know. But the Dorset culture have amazing source material to look into the ornamentations and what they depict and how lifelike they are. But we also have amazing find from, actually from my hometown. It's eight mummies, and they are called the Rilligitok mummies. And they are dated back to the mid-1400s.

1:01:30And what is amazing here is how well preserved they are. So we find all their skin clothing, inner clothes and outer clothes, and they got some extra clothing. So you have a handful of women and then two boys, and they have been put to rest with the skin clothing. But on some of the women, at least one of the women, she has facial tattoos.

1:02:04Tattoos, okay. Because their skin is so well preserved, you can see their nails. I believe you can even see the lashes on some of their eyes. It's amazing. And there you really feel like you are staring into the people of the past. Okay. Yeah. We've got to talk about this then. You need to look that up, even though it might look a little scary, but it's such an amazing find and such a rich find. And it tells us a lot about what sort of diseases could they have at the time.

1:02:37It's amazing. Well, let's talk about that quickly as well, because we did an episode last year on the Siberian ice mummies, and they did recent research on that with the skin surviving on those mummies high up in the Altai mountains, they were able to figure out how they were tattooed and actually the method they probably used to get the pictures on their skin. So do we know a lot then? You use that example from your hometown just then. Do we have quite a rich corpus of understanding about how the Tula Inuit, how they buried their dead, how they looked after their deceased relatives?

1:03:13We have stone graves, burials in the landscape, and oftentimes they are connected to settlements that we have already registered. So you have a settlement and then around the periphery, of course, depending on the landscape itself, if it's very rocky or if it's very flat, that will tell us where the periphery is. And also depending on, is it a very stony area?

1:03:43But then we find the graves, and oftentimes they would be burying one person within one grave. But we also see examples from Sisimut when they were clearing out to make the new airport, well, new back then airport. They found a grave where you had buried one person, but then you had reused it. So you had pushed the bones a little aside and then buried a new person. And I believe it was six or seven times you

1:04:18had done that. Then we find the graves are often also sometimes up in the mountain or in the back, and they have oftentimes really beautiful views. And when you look at the oral stories, you can also see this close connection to some of their favorite sites. So there is no doubt in my mind that sometimes before you died, you could say, I really want to be buried here or there, but then you could be buried

1:04:51behind the settlement. And you could be buried with the clothes that you were wearing, of course, but also your hunting gear, if you were a man, your sewing kit, if you were a woman, and also your cooking pot. So that's soapstone land, for example, or cooking pot itself. If we also see small children being buried with a dog, for example. So maybe it was a favorite animal or friend,

1:05:22or maybe this dog was supposed to help you to the next world, to the realm of death and accompany the the child on that journey. Oh, yeah. I like that mention of the dog at the end, you know, once again, remind you that they also had pets with them as well for their day-to-day lives and how similar they are to us today. I also love this idea maybe, as you say, of course, as you mentioned, the settlements have been along the coast, human habitation is along the coast as it is today.

1:05:55You know, someone from one of those communities seeing the snowy wilderness, like the centre of Greenland, thinking like, I'd like to be buried up there in the wildness, in the wild lands, or myths of people who went into the snowy wastelands and did great deeds. It's an amazing landscape to think about and how they survived and how they viewed, as you've highlighted, their worldview of the natural world around them. I wish I could ask so many more questions. We may well have to get you back

1:06:26on in the future for another one. But is there any message that you would like to, closing remarks for this episode that you'd like to leave us with, with the story of prehistoric Greenland? Well, the prehistory of Greenland is just so rich in its material, but also on the different perspectives that it teaches us about humans that entered that part of the world. So I think

1:06:59it's a good chance to get to know more about Greenland and the history there that all of a sudden became the eye of the storm. But what is it actually? What kind of home is it to what kind of people? And when we look closely, we often find out or rediscover that we are not so different. We can

1:07:33recognise you like the idea of the dog being buried with the child, right? And we oftentimes see those things, even in the forest culture that we imagine, oh, I'm, I'm never gonna be able to recognise myself in this. But then again, we are just humans. And we have just made homes on different parts of the same world. And we have different conditions, but some of the same feelings and problems. Yeah.

1:08:07Absolutely. And it's been wonderful to shine a light on the prehistoric story of Greenland, the amazing archaeological sites and artifacts that survive entwined with mythology. What a rich area of the world to learn more about its distant past in the years to head. It must be so exciting for you and everyone else. Tell us finally about yourself. You're currently in Copenhagen and you're doing your own particular work on this at the moment. Yes, I am a prehistoric archaeologist and I am working on a

1:08:38a new project called Liquidize. So we will be looking into the climate changes in Greenland and what effect it has on the communities there. But also for the potentials of hydropower, for example. So we want to be engaging with people on the ground and seeing into what kind of future do they want or do they see. And as

1:09:10an archaeologist, it's really enriching to knowing so much about the past, but also to be asking people today, not in this project, but in other projects that I'm in, what do you want to revive or what do you want to discuss from our past and what do we want to take with us into the future. So I'm also talking with architects, for example, of do they want to be inspired by prehistoric archaeological house models,

1:09:51for example, or by the stories. It can be intangible cultural heritage as well that the architects could be inspired by so that the houses in Greenland or the buildings in Greenland aren't just houses that could have been built anywhere on this planet, but they could be more cultural specific and people could mirror themselves in that architecture. I think that would be amazing. Very cool. Bring back the winter houses.

1:10:22Yeah. Asta, it just goes for me to say thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show. Yeah. Thank you for having me.

1:10:38Well, there you go. There was the fantastic Dr. Asta Munstel talking you through the remarkable archaeology, the prehistory of Greenland and the people who have lived there for centuries. It's such a remarkable story. I hope you enjoyed listening to this episode just as much as I did recording it alongside my producer, Joseph. We were both listening intently to Asta telling the story. And yeah, what a story it is. I can't praise Asta enough. So once again, really hope you enjoyed this episode and thank you for listening. If you did enjoy the episode, if you do enjoy the

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